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What was the deal with the "Beyond The Mat" documentary? I mean WWF seemed to love breaking kayfabe at the time (with prominent Russo angles and Tough Enough right around the corner) but it still seems odd that Vince would be okay with an outside guy getting access to the locker room and filming everything. Hell there is even footage from directly inside Vince's office. Plus I have to imagine a lot of old-school guys in the company found the whole prospect offensive. P.S. the film is absolutely fascinating and you must watch it if you haven't already. I'm just shocked that it was allowed to be made (at least the WWF portion of it).
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He allowed it to be made and then refused to promote it whatsoever.
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Shitty_Wok posted:Just watched this for the first time, holy loving gently caress. That was a great match and I can't believe he went for that. That was a great watch - for some reason only Chapter 3 is missing though. Edit: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=54687234 I think this might be the part missing. lovely quality, but it seems to have the missing couple minutes from youtube. Orange Carlisle fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Jul 21, 2010 |
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Moose Bigelow posted:He allowed it to be made and then refused to promote it whatsoever. He refused to promote it to the point that lookalikes for Foley and Rock had to be used on the final one-sheet poster as well as the DVD cover, although the most recent edition of the disc has their actual faces on it. Basically, Vince thought it was going to be a fun little documentary about what happens behind the scenes, such as the whole "Puke" segment. Then Blaustein made a movie that said "Jesus Christ, this business chews people up and spits them out," and Vince flipped his lid.
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Watching the '98 Royal Rumble, they had a French announce table?  When did they stop doing that?e. hahah holy loving poo poo Goldust's ring gear - green and purple vertical stripes wtf WHICH WAY MADNESS fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jul 21, 2010 |
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Jul 21, 2010 23:02
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Shitty_Wok posted:Watching the '98 Royal Rumble, they had a French announce table? 2002, but I think the French announce table was gone by mid-1998; they just did studio commentary until '02. Shitty_Wok posted:e. hahah holy loving poo poo Goldust's ring gear - green and purple vertical stripes wtf The Artist Formerly Known as Goldust. That one was all Russo, if I recall correctly.
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Jul 21, 2010 23:22
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The sad part about Brock botching his SSP is the rotation was actually pretty good for a man his size, he just undershot. If Kurt had been closer, he'd have hit it dead on. There's video of him hitting it in OVW, and it looks great when he connects.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:The sad part about Brock botching his SSP is the rotation was actually pretty good for a man his size, he just undershot. If Kurt had been closer, he'd have hit it dead on. There's video of him hitting it in OVW, and it looks great when he connects. He was probably the most physically-gifted wrestler they ever had, and I'm glad he's moved onto bigger and better things.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:He was probably the most physically-gifted wrestler they ever had, and I'm glad he's moved onto bigger and better things. He's so drat quick for his size, that's what impresses me the most about him.
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Jul 22, 2010 00:09
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El Gallinero Gros posted:The sad part about Brock botching his SSP is the rotation was actually pretty good for a man his size, he just undershot. If Kurt had been closer, he'd have hit it dead on. There's video of him hitting it in OVW, and it looks great when he connects. It's weird how people were saying that Kurt was risking his life being in the ring that night, and then Brock's the one who goes and almost kills himself.
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oldpainless posted:A WCW match with Disco and Kidman. Kidman did the SSP and landed back on the turnbuckle. Disco just covered him immediately. Weird that I remember these things.
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Jul 22, 2010 00:43
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What exactly is Vince McMahon's "Bearskin Rug"?
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:He was probably the most physically-gifted wrestler they ever had, and I'm glad he's moved onto bigger and better things. Its kind of tragic that hes more likely to live a long and healthy life getting in real fights than he was as a professional wrestler in fixed fights.
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Eugene Jerome posted:What exactly is Vince McMahon's "Bearskin Rug"? if you know about it you can't really talk about it.
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Eugene Jerome posted:What exactly is Vince McMahon's "Bearskin Rug"?
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Eugene Jerome posted:What exactly is Vince McMahon's "Bearskin Rug"? I think the implications are that sexual favors of a variety of ... varieties are performed upon it.
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Minidust posted:I don't even think Kurt was out of position, per se. Brock just climbed the far turnbuckle for some reason. I guess Kurt could have had the presence of mind to awkwardly sell towards Brock once he saw what he was doing, but oh well. To be fair Kurt WAS risking his life being in the ring that night, as he was due for neck fusion surgery afterwards.
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Wikipedia for S.D. Jones posted:At WrestleMania, he famously lost to King Kong Bundy in twenty-five seconds from bell to pinfall, however the official match time was given as nine seconds.[10] I know Rey Mysterio did the same thing to JBL at WM25, what other ridiculously pointless <1 minute matches have there been in big PPV's? Also  at the first match of WM1 ending in submission to a figure 4.
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The Hart Foundation destroyed the Boleshviks at WM4 I think in less than a minute. There's also Benoit's numerous squashes of Orlando Jordan.
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Shitty_Wok posted:This was the funniest squash match ever: thrown into turnbuckle, avalanche, bodyslam, pin.
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Shitty_Wok posted:This was the funniest squash match ever: thrown into turnbuckle, avalanche, bodyslam, pin. Orlando Jordan lost the U.S. title to Chris Benoit at SummerSlam 2005 in thirty seconds. In that amount of time, Chris could have: -made a cup of coffee, -used the bathroom and washed his hands, -put the dogs in the enclosed pool area...
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CVagts posted:To be fair Kurt WAS risking his life being in the ring that night, as he was due for neck fusion surgery afterwards. Shitty_Wok posted:I know Rey Mysterio did the same thing to JBL at WM25, what other ridiculously pointless <1 minute matches have there been in big PPV's? A while back they would have like 11-14 matches on a PPV card, a couple of matches almost always ended up going really short or just chopped off the show entirely. Minidust fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jul 22, 2010 |
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Minidust posted:WrestleMania 10 also had a ten-man tag match that was short, but I don't remember if it was empirically short or just "short for a ten-man tag match" short. No it didn't - the 10-man match was scrapped due to time constraints and they did it on RAW the next night.
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How much do wrestlers usually charge for autographs? I'm curious.
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At Survivor Series 98 they had a tournament for the WWF Title and Rock was the heroic figure pitted against the evil McMahon (at the end of the night they reenacted the Montreal Screwjob and had Mankind "tap" to give Rock the victory). McMahon warned Rock early in the night that he had an ace up his sleeve to prevent him advancing in the tournament and sent in.... The Big Bossman! Rock proceeded to immediately roll him up and pin him in something like 7 seconds.
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There was Diesel's victory over Bob Backlund for the title. It happened at a MSG house show, but was plastered all over the place on WWF programming. EDIT: I know it wasn't at a PPV, but it was a world title change back when title changes weren't as frequent as they are now.
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Riceball posted:How much do wrestlers usually charge for autographs? I'm curious. If they're actually charging it's normally 20bux. I remember when Flair came to ROH you had to purchase the autograph aaand the item you wanted him to autograph though. It was weird.
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HulkaMatt posted:I remember when Flair came to ROH you had to purchase the autograph aaand the item you wanted him to autograph though. It was weird. His wives and son's legal fee needed money
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For people who just wanted to meet Flair and not attend the show it was worse. It was a thing for just the people who were at the show so they would have to purchase a ticket to the show, a ric flair autograph ticket, AND the item they wanted autographed.
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After Austin and Rocky, who was the 3rd biggest star of the Attitude Era? Mr Mcmahon? Foley?
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DannoMack posted:After Austin and Rocky, who was the 3rd biggest star of the Attitude Era? Mr Mcmahon? Foley? Do you mean after they left the WWE, or the hierarchy of Austin being #1 and Rock being #2? Either way I think the answer is Triple H.
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I'd put it like Austin, Rock, Foley and Triple H. If I had to include Mr. McMahon, I would either put him 2nd or 5th.
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I'm sure this has probably been asked before - but are there cameras present at the house shows (WWE production cameras) and are they filmed? I'd imagine if there were that they'd have a huge backlog of silly poo poo by now that would make a great DVD similar to the bloopers videos that were released in the past. I went to a live show years and years ago when I was in high school but it was a taping for Raw and I've never been to a house show.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:I'm sure this has probably been asked before - but are there cameras present at the house shows (WWE production cameras) and are they filmed? I'd imagine if there were that they'd have a huge backlog of silly poo poo by now that would make a great DVD similar to the bloopers videos that were released in the past. Ya on the Edge DVD they have footage of him winning his first IC title which was at a house show.
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Earthquake beat Adam Bomb at WM 10 in like 20 seconds or something too.
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DannoMack posted:After Austin and Rocky, who was the 3rd biggest star of the Attitude Era? Mr Mcmahon? Foley? Undertaker. E: There's a lot of ways you can look at it. McMahon was probably the most prominently featured person outside of Austin/Rock...but he wasn't a wrestler and I don't think he did a lot in affecting buy rates/merchandise/ticket sales. But his screentime combined with his involvement in Montreal can make for a decent argument. Triple H was beginning his ascent and wasn't really a huge factor for most of the 'Attitude Era.' He did become a main eventer halfway through, but prior to that he was still using his snob gimmick and was feuding for (I think) the European championship and with Owen Hart when he was in DX. Foley was part of the biggest rated segment in history, was a focal point of the Era, but wasn't really a huge main event threat. That said, the HNIC bump, 'that'll put asses in the seats', This Is Your Life, Mr. Socko, his first book and the JR interviews he did were all huge parts of the Attitude Era. Then there's Taker. Just about the only other guy who was around consistently who was in the main event scene, was involved in a number of huge angles and had some memorable (some bad: Bikertaker, 'hanging' the Big Bossman) moments to boot. Plus, he's the loving Undertaker. He was poo poo in the ring for a lot of the Attitude Era (depending on which smarks you ask) but I think he was the biggest star behind Austin and the Rock. Perdido fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Jul 22, 2010 |
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Shitty_Wok posted:Do you mean after they left the WWE, or the hierarchy of Austin being #1 and Rock being #2? Either way I think the answer is Triple H. Triple H is not #3. WWE just forced him down our throats so hard people think he was. Vince or Foley would be #3, since Vince was consistently a #1 or #2 heel and Foley was a #2 heel (Dude Love heel run) and after a few months where his momentum died was #2 babyface (1998 to retirement). Triple H really wasn't over as a top guy until Foley worked hard to put him over, and even then it was always forced until Rock and Austin were gone. Perdido posted:Undertaker. He was lower, but he was an attraction and not a guy to carry things on top so it wasn't the same thing. Mr. Carlisle posted:I'm sure this has probably been asked before - but are there cameras present at the house shows (WWE production cameras) and are they filmed? I'd imagine if there were that they'd have a huge backlog of silly poo poo by now that would make a great DVD similar to the bloopers videos that were released in the past. Generally no. They take pictures for the website and they do keep a video camera around for if it's needed but they aren't recording every show. bobkatt013 posted:Ya on the Edge DVD they have footage of him winning his first IC title which was at a house show. They didn't record the entire show. They occasionally would do things like that to try and pop the house show business but if you notice it's usually a single camera. They have one just in case but it isn't done by default.
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WeaselWeaz posted:He was lower, but he was an attraction and not a guy to carry things on top so it wasn't the same thing. I dunno. He was champion in '97, feuded for the belt in '98 with Austin, won the belt from Austin in '99, was instrumental in making both Foley and Kane look like legitimate threats (and tried to do the same with The Big Show) and won the tag titles several times. He was near the top of the card for most of the Attitude Era, but as I mentioned in my edited post, it really depends on what criteria you're using. Undertaker was a main event wrestler and was pretty drat over, so he gets my vote.
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He also caused the most controversy during the attitude era with the sacrifice.
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