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How would this lie work anyway? Didn't the entire Order of the Scribble travel around to find and secure all the rifts? Soon should have at least known the general area each rift was located in. It's still gotta be in the desert somewhere. It's not like Soon would have slapped his forehead and said "Oh yeah, that's right, it's in the rainforest" or something.
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I'm still a little vauge on what the plan is here anyways. Besides 'get there before Big X does', it's protected by the best illusions possible that have hid it from the rest of the world for how long now and they're going to add to this security... how? Isn't far more likely they'll just follow the path the OotS is blazing for them right to the gate? Anyways, brilliant move. He gets to jerk who he figured would be paladins around while still leaving the rift's location up in the air. Is it elsewhere or knowing that we'd know he's an illusionist is this just another deceit to direct them away from the site, or does he know that we know that he knows, etc.
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Dec 14, 2009 23:54
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Mylan posted:Soon should have at least known the general area each rift was located in. It's still gotta be in the desert somewhere. Two small things to take into account, though. First, it's now established that this is the world's largest desert. Second, paladins don't have survival as a class skill (thus making the track feat worthless to them). It's implied (possibly outright stated)that Miko was the only paladin in their order to take ranks in it (and possibly the track feat), which is why she was sent out on missions that required it.
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Dec 14, 2009 23:56
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Mylan posted:How would this lie work anyway? Didn't the entire Order of the Scribble travel around to find and secure all the rifts? Soon should have at least known the general area each rift was located in. It's still gotta be in the desert somewhere. It's not like Soon would have slapped his forehead and said "Oh yeah, that's right, it's in the rainforest" or something. I bet delegating all the mapmaking duties to the guy who took two levels of ranger doesn't seem like such a hot move now, huh?
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Dec 15, 2009 00:05
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Who is this person that has 2 levels of ranger? I thought for a second it was Belkar and this illusion was sentient, but then I realised that Belkar must have a lot more, like 10 or 12 levels.
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Dec 15, 2009 00:34
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tazman posted:Who is this person that has 2 levels of ranger? I thought for a second it was Belkar and this illusion was sentient, but then I realised that Belkar must have a lot more, like 10 or 12 levels. I believe everyone is just one class except for Elan who has taken levels in that prestige class that lets him make jokes for bonuses to attacks.
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Dec 15, 2009 01:07
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tazman posted:Who is this person that has 2 levels of ranger?
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crime fighting hog posted:I believe everyone is just one class except for Elan who has taken levels in that prestige class that lets him make jokes for bonuses to attacks. Belkar took levels of Barbarian in order to do more damage. edit: also there is this 
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Dec 15, 2009 01:22
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crime fighting hog posted:I believe everyone is just one class except for Elan who has taken levels in that prestige class that lets him make jokes for bonuses to attacks. Doesn't Belkar have Barbarian levels? edit: curses!
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Dec 15, 2009 01:23
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I'm wondering what the message would be like if they had used one of the other names?
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Dec 15, 2009 01:31
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Mylan posted:How would this lie work anyway? Didn't the entire Order of the Scribble travel around to find and secure all the rifts? Soon should have at least known the general area each rift was located in. It's still gotta be in the desert somewhere. It's not like Soon would have slapped his forehead and said "Oh yeah, that's right, it's in the rainforest" or something. Or the whole thing is a great big lie, where he's pretending to be distrustful of the Paladins. That way, when someone else comes looking for the gate, having potentially already beaten the paladins there appears to be a plausible reason for why the gate isn't where it's supposed to be. They get pissed that the distrust between the illusionist and the paladin cost them so much time and leave pissed off at two long-dead adventurers -- leaving behind the real gate hidden by the illusion spells.
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Dec 15, 2009 02:11
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I wonder how a place protected by illusions would actually work against Xykon, aside from his magic arent undead immune to illusions and mind influencing effects anyway?
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Dec 15, 2009 03:23
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Skulljoke posted:I wonder how a place protected by illusions would actually work against Xykon, aside from his magic arent undead immune to illusions and mind influencing effects anyway? I might as well keep my Monster Manual next to my computer because I'm always digging it out to help you, the poster. Undead Subtype-Immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and moral effects).
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crime fighting hog posted:Undead Subtype-Immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and moral effects). Are there illusions not as a mind-alterer? And would epic versions be able to bypass that immunity?
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Dec 15, 2009 07:07
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crime fighting hog posted:I might as well keep my Monster Manual next to my computer because I'm always digging it out to help you, the poster. I'm far from an expert on the ins and outs of 3.5, but aren't illusions and phantasms different in that phantasms are only in the mind whereas illusions are actually "visible" and thus have a reality, even if its only light rays?
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3.5 D&D has 5 types of illusions, two of which (patterns and phantasms) undead are immune to.d20SRD posted:Figment Any spell to make an illusion of something or to hide something would be a figment, which undead are not immune to. Piell fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Dec 15, 2009 |
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Dec 15, 2009 10:02
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Plus I think there are like five or less phantasm spells in the SRD. It came up during a game I ran awhile back.
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You know, if there are some illusions that undead cannot see and some that they can (while both would be seen by normal adventurers), you could filter out any undead attackers by providing them with false information only they could act on, like, say, a sign with a lie on it behind an illusion of a blank wall. Everyone else would see a blank wall and keep going. The undead would see a sign, act on it, and fall into some trap you've set up.
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Bobulus posted:You know, if there are some illusions that undead cannot see and some that they can (while both would be seen by normal adventurers), you could filter out any undead attackers by providing them with false information only they could act on, like, say, a sign with a lie on it behind an illusion of a blank wall. Is the rule that the undead "cannot see the illusion" or "can see through the illusion"? It's a big difference!
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It's neither. Any spell that creates or modifies sensory information is a Figment or Glamer, respectively. Phantasms and Patterns, which Undead are immune to, act to directly alter or influence the mind rather than mask or hide anything-- stuff like Hypnotic/Rainbow/Scintillating Pattern, Color Spray, Phantasmal Killer, Dream and Nightmare.
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Cabbit posted:It's neither. Any spell that creates or modifies sensory information is a Figment or Glamer, respectively. Phantasms and Patterns, which Undead are immune to, act to directly alter or influence the mind rather than mask or hide anything-- stuff like Hypnotic/Rainbow/Scintillating Pattern, Color Spray, Phantasmal Killer, Dream and Nightmare. Actually, this isn't quite true. Illusory Script is a phantasm. Illusory Script posted:You write instructions or other information on parchment, paper, or any suitable writing material. The illusory script appears to be some form of foreign or magical writing. Only the person (or people) designated by you at the time of the casting are able to read the writing; it’s unintelligible to any other character, although an illusionist recognizes it as illusory script. Presumably any undead would be unable to see the writing.
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Dec 16, 2009 08:25
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 Did he really think that would kill an epic level paladin?
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Dec 16, 2009 18:58
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Hah. Saved by a sand flump.
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what a huge dick. I hope he's still alive near his gate, and gets curb stomped by Xykon.
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It says the spell will inform 'her and us' when it's been triggered. I don't think that line would have been included if it wasn't going to be brought up again. Who is 'us'? Is it British slang to refer to yourself as 'us', or is that universal, I can't remember. Either way, it's either just himself or the rest of his team. Since Soon and Kragaar are dead, and Lirian and Dorukan are indisposed, that leaves only him and Serini. Serini's a halfling (who have short lives?) so is probably dead. I guess the message probably got to a still-alive Girard, who'll presumably know Soon is dead, and hence might realise that something else is up and come to investigate. This entire diversion may well still be dramatically advancing the plot, let's live in hope.
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bison wings posted:what a huge dick. I hope he's still alive near his gate, and gets curb stomped by Xykon. Seems to me like the man's suffering from PTSD. I don't think this message was recorded long after the party split up.
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"Girard is now officially worse than Xykon. The latter is just an evil megalomaniac bent on world domination, but Girard is supposed to be one of the good guys. If the OotS ever meet him, they might have to kick his rear end." The only thing funnier than the immediate OMG GIRARD HAET of the fanbase is their reasoning for it. And maybe the fact that this poster had a stick-style Vincent Valentine avatar.
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Noonsaliwah posted:It says the spell will inform 'her and us' when it's been triggered. I don't think that line would have been included if it wasn't going to be brought up again. Halflings can live to about a hundred in 3.5, compared to about 70 for humans. It's possible Serini is still alive although really, really old. I'm guessing it'll come out in the next few strips anyways though.
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seaborgium posted:Halflings can live to about a hundred in 3.5, compared to about 70 for humans. It's possible Serini is still alive although really, really old. I'm guessing it'll come out in the next few strips anyways though. Once you hit epic levels there's some stuff that just makes you stop aging. Feats for expanding your lifespan, etc. In 4th edition every epic destiny (something you pick at level 21 and ride out to level 30) has a 'seed' or some certain way that you become immortal. Bards can become immortal by living forever in legend and song, wizards by becoming an actual spell or a lich, etc. What I mean to say is in high fantasy if your DM is cool with it you don't really have to worry about aging if you're powerful enough. You're just too badass to worry about poo poo like your prostate or glaucoma
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DrakePegasus posted:"Girard is now officially worse than Xykon. The latter is just an evil megalomaniac bent on world domination, but Girard is supposed to be one of the good guys. If the OotS ever meet him, they might have to kick his rear end." Just to clarify my position, I don't really care whether a character is good or evil. The ghost of Soon was badass in his fight, and then had a moment of sincerity and wisdom when dealing with Miko. So I honestly don't believe what Girard is saying about him. Maybe this recording isn't a good representation of Girard, but it's all we have and so far he's a dick.
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Dec 17, 2009 13:12
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Ah, good ol' flumph!
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Who knows what the hell Girard is thinking now. Maybe he's been notified, and is actually coming to apologize. Then again, I kind of doubt it- Soon died of old age, and I have no reason to believe that Girard is terribly much younger. Dorukan was already ancient when he started dueling Xykon, and he was extremely young at the time of OOTRifts. The elven druid is immortal, naturally- but Shojo was two generations removed from Soon, not one. I doubt any of the original party are "alive" anymore, technically. Maybe there is a feat to protect against aging, but I doubt it pretty hard in the Burlewniverse. At least this is starting to move a little now. I hate CAD with the passion of a thousand suns, so OOTS could never get that bad, but none of the recent comics has made me really start to smile.
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Dec 17, 2009 15:28
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Am I the only one who loves Girard? "Say hello to your barnyard gods for me"
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that line would be funnier if those gods weren't irrefutably known to exist. It's not Soon's fault that the gods express themselves as animals. Who is Girard to question the machinations of beings that created him? Is Girard equally a tool to all devout characters? If he wanted to be angry at all the gods of all the pantheons because they were responsible for the snarl, then fine whatever. But all I've seen of him has been bitter. He strikes me as self important as Evil-V, but without the redemption.
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Wow, Girard really is quite the irredeemable human being isn't he? The "he's worse than Xykon" people are nuts but still Quite the oval office.
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I think everyone is missing that someone important to Girard died in the Rift, and it may have been Soon's fault. That, on top of how this message was seemingly recorded soon after, seems to be a reasonable explanation for Girard's attitude.
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Or, he's the character of a player who reads "Chaotic Neutral" as "Act like a gigantic douchey oval office all the time, but try to be suave while doing it."
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Dec 18, 2009 02:48
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cry more about the speed of plot of a comic that has been trudging along for years now without anyone complaining.
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HKR posted:cry more about the speed of plot of a comic that has been trudging along for years now without anyone complaining. uhh...was anyone?
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Brannock posted:I think everyone is missing that someone important to Girard died in the Rift, and it may have been Soon's fault. That, on top of how this message was seemingly recorded soon after, seems to be a reasonable explanation for Girard's attitude. Nobody really dies in the rifts, they just get transported to a White Wolf game.
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