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So apparently people are up in arms because the Fall update installs additional functionality to the Photos app, but packed in an extension APPX, and consequently showing up as separate package in the installed applications list. For some reason, this is worth bitching about, than say sticking the stuff in the Photos app APPX itself.
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Oct 15, 2017 13:17
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Combat Pretzel posted:So apparently people are up in arms because the Fall update installs additional functionality to the Photos app, but packed in an extension APPX, and consequently showing up as separate package in the installed applications list. For some reason, this is worth bitching about, than say sticking the stuff in the Photos app APPX itself. Even odds they're mad because their 'uninstall everything' script has to be updated to include the new appx.
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Oct 15, 2017 13:30
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Lmao if you've scripted removing apps instead of just installing os images from the internet.
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Oct 15, 2017 13:57
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Ghostlight posted:Lmao if you've scripted removing apps instead of just installing os images from the internet. Well, both practices demonstrate exactly how highly you regard your Windows environment's integrity 
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Oct 15, 2017 19:19
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EoRaptor posted:CEIP takes events and reports them to Microsoft to see if there is a bug that is common enough for MS to investigate. It's all anonymized and harmless, and it's also not the cause of your logoff. I get what you're saying but there's nothing for 45 minutes before that in the System log, and everything before that is routine stuff about compacting registry hives.
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Oct 15, 2017 20:41
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Hed posted:I get what you're saying but there's nothing for 45 minutes before that in the System log, and everything before that is routine stuff about compacting registry hives. Because log-off doesn't get logged normally. Check the Security log for the actual log-off event. (It won't tell you why, just that it happened.)
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Oct 15, 2017 20:51
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dont be mean to me posted:Well, both practices demonstrate exactly how highly you regard your Windows environment's integrity I don't think removing apps shows a disregard for security or safety or really anything except the apps themselves
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Oct 15, 2017 21:23
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VostokProgram posted:I don't think removing apps shows a disregard for security or safety or really anything except the apps themselves The apps don't make their presence felt if you don't use them, especially if you're hitting start and typing the program you want to use, so I don't think it says anything about the apps either, more about how these people really need to get a hobby that isn't their computer.
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Oct 15, 2017 21:34
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Given the disk footprint of some of these apps, I can understand wanting to remove them. But then again, I might as well just have that conversation with my cactus, because usually I'm getting told that it doesn't matter because disk sizes. No one cares for efficiency anymore.
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Oct 15, 2017 21:40
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Dumb question: Does the Windows 10 Installer get updated over time to include major patches? I still have a stick with the installer on it that's over a year old and wondering if it would save me time just to download the whole thing over again instead of installing and updating afterwards. Also, it's about goddamn time I reinstall windows. I just hope this stops my PC from crashing finally so I can actually game on it.
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Oct 15, 2017 22:04
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Ularg posted:Dumb question: Does the Windows 10 Installer get updated over time to include major patches? Yes. Have you considered first trying the Reset function in Settings? (Settings > Update & security > Recovery)
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Oct 15, 2017 22:10
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Ularg posted:Dumb question: Does the Windows 10 Installer get updated over time to include major patches? I still have a stick with the installer on it that's over a year old and wondering if it would save me time just to download the whole thing over again instead of installing and updating afterwards. The installer exe itself barely gets changed. The files it will download do change roughly every 6 months to match the big updates that come every 6 months, so that you only need to download the updates since then. So if you have a USB stick you set up with the tool to have Windows 10 installer on it, then yes you should update that USB stick. If you just have the little downloader stub, you don't need to update it, it'll detect the latest ISO/image and pull it down itself.
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Oct 15, 2017 22:16
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nielsm posted:Yes. Well how bout that. This is something new. How much does it "reset" because I'm basically looking to pretty much redo every driver and update. fishmech posted:The installer exe itself barely gets changed. The files it will download do change roughly every 6 months to match the big updates that come every 6 months, so that you only need to download the updates since then. Thank you. If Reset Function doesn't work I'll do that next.
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Oct 15, 2017 22:21
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fishmech posted:The installer exe itself barely gets changed. The files it will download do change roughly every 6 months to match the big updates that come every 6 months, so that you only need to download the updates since then. weird; it was my experience that a given version of the media creation tool would always download a given version of windows and you had to get the newer version of MCT to get a newer windows version I usually just downloaded the ISO to avoid that problem entirely. Would be nice if they fixed it.
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Oct 15, 2017 23:23
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astral posted:weird; it was my experience that a given version of the media creation tool would always download a given version of windows and you had to get the newer version of MCT to get a newer windows version Yes, you need to download the latest MCT to get the latest build. The MCT will also pull a verison of windows with integrated updates if MS has made it available, which they periodically do. If you do plan on a re-install, the Fall Creators Update (ver 1710) is due to be released Oct 17th, so if you can wait a few days before grabbing the MCT and doing a reinstall, it'll save you needing to do a big update a few days after.
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Oct 15, 2017 23:35
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I got the fall creators update sent to me via Windows Update today. I'm not on any insider branches.
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Oct 15, 2017 23:36
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GreenNight posted:I got the fall creators update sent to me via Windows Update today. I'm not on any insider branches.
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Oct 16, 2017 04:19
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Cool, the most recent windows 10 security update caused my surface pro 3 to constantly lose its connection to my wifi. How is Microsoft constantly breaking their own devices like this?
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Oct 16, 2017 05:30
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cis autodrag posted:Cool, the most recent windows 10 security update caused my surface pro 3 to constantly lose its connection to my wifi. How is Microsoft constantly breaking their own devices like this? it's trying to save you from tomorrow's krackattack
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Oct 16, 2017 05:31
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astral posted:it's trying to save you from tomorrow's krackattack Lol, for the first time ever in my life I'm uninstalling a security update. I feel weird, but a tablet is pretty loving useless without an internet connection.
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Oct 16, 2017 05:33
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cis autodrag posted:Cool, the most recent windows 10 security update caused my surface pro 3 to constantly lose its connection to my wifi. How is Microsoft constantly breaking their own devices like this? My Surface Pro 3 has never worked very well TBH but updates have certainly made it worse in the past (especially the firmware ones which were supposed to fix battery life) Did you have any wifi problems beforehand? Microsoft cheaped out and used some garbage wifi chip so I’ve never been happy with mine (compared to the Intel setups in my other systems)
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Oct 16, 2017 07:43
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Combat Pretzel posted:Given the disk footprint of some of these apps, I can understand wanting to remove them. But then again, I might as well just have that conversation with my cactus, because usually I'm getting told that it doesn't matter because disk sizes. No one cares for efficiency anymore. I hear you.
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Oct 16, 2017 13:01
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Is there a free, lightweight PDF viewer that will let me view facing pages?
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Oct 16, 2017 13:25
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:The apps don't make their presence felt if you don't use them lol pull the other one *goes back to searching for the magic registry keys to stop built-in appx from taking over file extension defaults again*
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Oct 16, 2017 13:38
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Josh Lyman posted:Is there a free, lightweight PDF viewer that will let me view facing pages? SumatraPDF
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Oct 16, 2017 13:40
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Saw this in the fall update changelog; I had Windows 10 perform an update reboot during a running backup the other day, so I'd say it's not completely unlikely. DURING A RUNNING BACKUP.
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Oct 16, 2017 14:37
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mcbexx posted:I had Windows 10 perform an update reboot during a running backup the other day, so I'd say it's not completely unlikely. When did you last restart your computer before that point?
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Oct 16, 2017 14:52
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:When did you last restart your computer before that point?  This particular issue is absolutely a problem with windows, not the user.
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Oct 16, 2017 14:57
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Na, it's all the users fault. Reboot more, scrubs.
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Oct 16, 2017 14:58
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Maybe the OS should take dumb users that don't reboot into account and reboot itself when backup isn't running. 
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Oct 16, 2017 14:59
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Truga posted:Maybe the OS should take dumb users that don't reboot into account and reboot itself when backup isn't running. How would it know that the software claiming to perform a backup is actually a legit backup program and not just something else claiming to be? Like say, a program designed just to prevent Windows from installing updates?
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Oct 16, 2017 15:19
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:When did you last restart your computer before that point? 10 minutes earlier, when it already had installed another update.
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Oct 16, 2017 15:34
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nielsm posted:How would it know that the software claiming to perform a backup is actually a legit backup program and not just something else claiming to be? Like say, a program designed just to prevent Windows from installing updates? because windows backup is made by loving microsoft, they can sign it.
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Oct 16, 2017 15:40
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Truga posted:because windows backup is made by loving microsoft, they can sign it. quote:Please do not power off or unplug your machine.
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Oct 16, 2017 15:58
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Motherfucker! My start menu broke on the Fall update. The gently caress is this still happening?!
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Oct 16, 2017 16:51
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Mine works great. No problems here yet on the 3 computers I've gotten the update for.
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Oct 16, 2017 16:52
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Combat Pretzel posted:Motherfucker! My start menu broke on the Fall update. The gently caress is this still happening?! Just lol if you don't use Classic Start... though Microsoft intentionally breaks that so you need to reinstall it on every major update.
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Oct 16, 2017 17:33
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Zero VGS posted:Just lol if you don't use Classic Start... though Microsoft intentionally breaks that so you need to reinstall it on every major update. Why are they breaking just that, but not Start10? That has been fine for me through both big OS updates.
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Oct 16, 2017 17:36
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Sininu posted:Why are they breaking just that, but not Start10? That has been fine for me through both big OS updates. Because Microsoft is as inconsistent as they are evil, of course. I still remember when a Window update coincidentally broke Classic Start on the same day that someone hacked one of the Classic Start hosting mirrors and put an MBR virus into it... didn't affect me because I always install with Ninite, but yeah...
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nielsm posted:How would it know that the software claiming to perform a backup is actually a legit backup program and not just something else claiming to be? Like say, a program designed just to prevent Windows from installing updates? yeah, wouldn't want malware potentially block a critical patch for barndoor.sys after the cow.exe buffer overflow
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