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goldboilermark posted:We aren't talking about people living in the west. We are talking about people living in China. Who actually choose English names when interacting with foreigners. I see it all the time in China and I've never seen it in Japan. I was fascinated by this question of why Chinese like to pick themselves "western" names but Japanese don't seem to do so, so I posted this question in a Chinese photography forum I hang out in. There doesn't seem to be a solid answer. Only consensus I got so far is it's easier to pronoun Japanese correctly in romanized spelling than Chinese in pinyin spelling.
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goldboilermark posted:We aren't talking about people living in the west. We are talking about people living in China. Who actually choose English names when interacting with foreigners. I see it all the time in China and I've never seen it in Japan. Yeah, me either. I saw it a lot in Korea but I never used them. Koreans think that English speakers can't pronounce Korean names, but they're just as easy as Japanese ones. I'm still weirded out by the English name thing in China. The only odd one I have is the boy named Tifa Lockhart. And there are a couple boys with girl's names, and a couple that are just random things that I don't think are actual words in any language.
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Nov 15, 2014 16:09
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goldboilermark posted:We aren't talking about people living in the west. We are talking about people living in China. Who actually choose English names when interacting with foreigners. I see it all the time in China and I've never seen it in Japan. Oh my mistake then, I thought we were. but looking at the wikipedia stuff it seems most Japanese Americans don't take English names either. that's the value of anecdotes I guess
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Nov 15, 2014 16:27
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My favorite was the Chinese girls who would take Japanese names as their English names. Yuki was shocked when I asked her why she had a Japanese name. My friend's fiance has the English name Kinki but she didn't change it after we told her what it meant. She apparently thought it was Kiki, like the Miyazaki movie, but she's not the brightest person I've met. For a long time my circle of friends thought a friend of ours, a Chinese doctor, was named Neil. We were all excited because he's a younger Chinese guy that chose a normal name but then we found out we were wrong when WeChat became a thing. Apparently his English name is Neo, as in the Matrix Neo, and he got mad at people for writing it Neil. EDIT: Most of that comes from people who went through the Chinese education system. Kids who go through international schools usually have normal English names so you'll get your Jerry Wangs and Peter Matsuharas. You get a few weird names like Kelvin, mostly SEA students, but it's no where near the level of Ice, Gloomy, and Stark. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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Nov 15, 2014 17:02
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:My favorite was the Chinese girls who would take Japanese names as their English names. Yuki was shocked when I asked her why she had a Japanese name. Yeah, I have a couple of "My English name is Yuki" kids. The idea of multiple Not Chinese languages seems to cause some issues like the idea of multiple Not China countries does.
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Nov 15, 2014 17:10
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caberham posted:I'm too insignificant as border guards don't really care about my yellow ribbon with an umbrella logo tied to my bag If anyone gives you any poo poo you could tell them you work for Travelers Insurance and you support are troops.
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Nov 15, 2014 17:23
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are there many Elsas
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Nov 15, 2014 17:23
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I don't have any little kid students here thank god. Friends in Korea are reporting classes that are up to 50% Elsas.
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Nov 15, 2014 17:25
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Koramei posted:are there many Elsas Not at any level I taught at but in 10 years there will be. 
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Nov 15, 2014 17:28
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I never saw Frozen but I don't think this particular Elsa costume was very accurate.
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Nov 15, 2014 17:36
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Grand Fromage posted:I never saw Frozen but I don't think this particular Elsa costume was very accurate. No, that's Hans.
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Nov 15, 2014 18:37
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What year did that movie come out? You could always check the SSA baby names database. I got a kick out of looking up Isabella and Edward for various years. Anecdote: One of my friends in high school named all her kids after Kingdom Hearts characters.
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Nov 15, 2014 20:01
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gently caress namechat. There are better things.
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Nov 15, 2014 20:54
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simplefish posted:gently caress namechat. There are better things. I am sorry socio-cultural discussions are boring and uninteresting for you. I am sure we are back at poop chat for you at no time.
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Nov 15, 2014 21:31
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simplefish posted:gently caress namechat. There are better things. We could always go back to talking about street making GBS threads?
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Nov 15, 2014 21:54
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It's fair game, as long as it hurts the feelings of the Chinese people.
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Nov 16, 2014 01:41
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Apparently the unique thing about the student activists having their Home Return Permits cancelled is that they were cancelled on the Hong Kong side. In the past, when pro democracy activists or legislators were barred from visiting the mainland, they would clear Hong Kong first and then have their permits revoked by mainland immigration. So now the Hong Kong bureaucracy can be accused of being arbitrary and loving up the rule of law. We'll see how that develops.
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Nov 16, 2014 02:07
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Bloodnose posted:Apparently the unique thing about the student activists having their Home Return Permits cancelled is that they were cancelled on the Hong Kong side. In the past, when pro democracy activists or legislators were barred from visiting the mainland, they would clear Hong Kong first and then have their permits revoked by mainland immigration. Please don't derail this thread, Bloodnose.
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Nov 16, 2014 07:05
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Yes, but do they still poop in toilets?
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Nov 16, 2014 07:37
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I saw a kid named Robot poop in a pile of milk powder on the sidewalk.
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Nov 16, 2014 07:39
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Grand Fromage posted:I saw a kid named Robot poop in a pile of milk powder on the sidewalk. Was he a mainlander?
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Luigi Thirty posted:Was he a mainlander? I didn't see a mention of chainsmoking while squating.
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Nov 16, 2014 18:23
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In Shanghai I had a lot of kids with names like Yuki, Kitty, Cici/Sisi/Sissi, Candy, Sun/Sunny/Rain/Rainy, and so on. A few had Chinese names, too: younger ones were Yuanyuan, Pengpeng, Tiantian, Qiqi; and about three out of my 150+ older students used their Chinese name. It was usually the little 3-4 year olds with the non-name names like Mountain, Ocean, etc. Overall though, at least half had pretty normal western names. It's just the weird ones are more memorable.
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Nov 16, 2014 20:21
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The best student names I had were two in the same class who didn't use western names, they just went by their Chinese nicknames: Pipi and Dudu.
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Nov 16, 2014 20:27
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Kaka is pretty common in Hong Kong.
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Nov 17, 2014 00:16
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I know this guy called Abraham, what a weird name. **DERAIL** Hey Imp Dog, sorry got a new phone, lost your number. We got a HK barbecue going on December 13, either post in China LAN thread or email me. Oh and wear yellow
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Nov 17, 2014 01:40
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Imperialist Dog posted:Kaka is pretty common in Hong Kong. That's just a romanized Chinese name though. Like any Cantonese name with 家 in it can be a Kaka/Caca.
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Nov 17, 2014 02:32
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In a bid to shutdown namechat I just want to say... Soap McTavish (boy) Corpse HJY (girl) I win.
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Nov 17, 2014 03:07
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China outmaneuveres Australia on FTA using common Beijing tactic of disrupting things and then extracting concessions to return to the status quo. ABC posted:Immediate removal of 3 per cent coking coal tariff and 6 per cent tariff on thermal coal should be phased out within 2 years Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-16/australia-looks-set-to-sign-a-free-trade-agreement-with-china/5895012 Would this be the tariff that Beijing announced only a month and a half ago, likely with FTA negotiations were at their hottest? Platts posted:China's move to impose a 3-6% tax on coal imports from October 15 is likely to hit Australian exports the hardest, while Indonesia would possibly see the least impact, sources said Thursday. Source: http://www.platts.com/latest-news/coal/singapore/chinas-coal-import-tax-likely-to-hit-australia-26899884 I wonder what other pro-Australia, less environmentally damaging FTA terms the Australians had to give up to keep their coal lobby happy?
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The Hong Kong - Shanghai Stock connect through train just started today. The stock market in Hong Kong was really bullish and then dipped a bit because it seems more of a vehicle for Chinese capital flowing into Hong Kong than having investors invest in China. Because regulation of the Chinese side is still not very clear and opaque as usual. I lost a whole month of loving gains in 2 hours 
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To contribute to the Chinese names - I had a secretary called Cherry Tang for a while when I was in Hong Kong. I thought that would make a good pornstar name. Also came across a guy called Keyboard, but it turned out he didn't choose the name. His chosen name was something like Phillip, but the arsehole CEO of the company (a Westerner) said "No, we've already got a Phillip, you need to be called something else". Because the guy was head of IT, the CEO called him Keyboard and it stuck. We had to call him that in legal documents. That CEO was an arsehole and we fired him after we bought the company.
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Nov 17, 2014 06:18
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caberham posted:I lost a whole month of loving gains in 2 hours Does that mean it's worse for the the market than Occupy Central? Surely the same pro-Beijing academics who wrote about the temporary SEHK losses will write similar articles about this?
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Nov 17, 2014 06:19
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Koramei posted:are there many Elsas    
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Pyramid Scheme posted:Does that mean it's worse for the the market than Occupy Central? Surely the same pro-Beijing academics who wrote about the temporary SEHK losses will write similar articles about this? If only they did! Everyone's always dead silent about the Shenanigans of the weak rule of law and confidence in China. "It's like an open secret and reflected in market prices" is the usual mentality, but you get a bunch of kids out in the streets, then the mindset changes to "all hell breaks loose!". Which actually makes me more of a Pro protester hardliner. If the tear gas cannisters are out, I will take a loan and go on a buying spree this time. Heck if the PLA roll in, maybe I will be the next Lee Ka Shing  However, recently SCMP articles are saying that public sentiment is dropping and pan moderates/pan democrats feel stuck because of radicalization of both sides. Personally, I want to dig in because we must go home with something unless the government uses extreme force to clear us out.
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My Cantonese is shite but my wife is a native speaker and has been watching Wong Yeung Tat's stuff on Passion Times endlessly since this all began. I'm used to having it running in the background every morning and night. It's interesting hearing about the differences between the Mongkok group (a little rougher, a little less middle class, fewer options in life) and the Admiralty group (students, more middle class, more options to get out and a more romantic/idealistic). My wife tells me that there's a fair amount of disdain in the Mongkok camp for the Admiralty camp. Wong calls them "plastics".
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 The Guangdong Public Security Bureau says there's three reasons a Home Return Permit will be cancelled: 1. If you're engaging in any shady trafficking activities like theft or drugs or counterfeiting 2. If you falsified any stuff regarding your permit 3. If you've got a mental illness So I'm guessing they revoked the students' permits because they have a mental illness i.e. foreign influence/democratic aspirations?
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Nov 17, 2014 10:17
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You can be refused re-entry to your country for something as generic as "mental illness"? That's pretty hosed up in more ways than one.
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Nov 17, 2014 11:34
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How frightfully stalinistic.
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Pretty sure its far from first time a goverment has in round about legal ways declared an opponent group mentally ill to stop them from doing something. Its a good way to repress rights of a group while while trying to prejudice people against them at the same time, so it would naturally be a pretty attractive option for authoritarian governments.
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Wtf Jardine ' s Bazaar just opened up into a sinkhole?
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