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Advice posted:I guess I just didn't feel that this was worth a chiffhanger chapter end, like yeah, even though Sanji will probably isolate and give them some message or something, Oda ending the chapter at this point felt like we, the reader, are supposed to be buying it. Otherwise there's little emotion at this chapter's end. Well yes, but One Piece is aimed at twelve year olds. We'll likely spend next chapter having this information spelled out to the reader.
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Captain Invictus posted:If Sanji uses this as a quick way to explain to luffy what's going on while fighting him, I'm all for it. I wouldn't worry, this is really an apples-to-oranges comparison and I think a number of you are missing the point. Robin didn't know the crew that well and didn't mind ditching them and sacrificing herself for their sake until the memorable "wadda live!" scene where she realizes a little late that the Straw Hats are worth believing in and really comes into her own in gaining that newfound sense of loyalty, whereas before because of her history she could never trust anyone. Here, it's very deliberate in showing how agonized Sanji is in his decision-making. It's practically spelled out for you how tortured Sanji is feeling right now and is putting on an act to buy time/save face to resolve the situation. He was planning on resolving this by himself because of how tenuous and delicate the situation is re: Zeff and his hands being held hostage by these blood relative assholes, but of course like always Luffy comes barging in, so now Sanji has to revise his plans and buy time to deal with this new developing situation. I honestly think Oda did a fantastic job drawing out these scenes and the visual composition. Also, I think the bit about Big Mom controlling the weather and the Sun/Wind is due to haki, as evidenced by the Whitebeard/Shanks clash early in the series. I don't think it's due to a super-advanced Clima Tact-type device but actually mastery of haki to the point of manipulating the world around you. I know that's probably a can of  , but that's my theory as of now.e: Sanji knows it's a genuinely lovely thing to do to a good friend, but he presumably feels like he has to carry that burden for the sake of the bigger outcome. Even Reiju/Vinsmoke sister looks disappointed in Sanji while the other brothers think it's hilarious. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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Oct 20, 2016 22:30
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Crazyeyes posted:Perhaps during the fight, Luffy goes for the knockout, and while the other Vinsmokes would call a mook to human shield it, Sanji will refuse and Judge and family will realize it was all an act. This sounds extremely likely!
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Oct 20, 2016 22:37
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Also, I think the bit about Big Mom controlling the weather and the Sun/Wind is due to haki, as evidenced by the Whitebeard/Shanks clash early in the series. I don't think it's due to a super-advanced Clima Tact-type device but actually mastery of haki to the point of manipulating the world around you. Its either super-advanced Haki, super-advanced use of her fruit, or a combination of the above. I lean more toward her using her fruit's power to make the sun and the clouds her homies who do her bidding.
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Oct 20, 2016 22:42
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Its either super-advanced Haki, super-advanced use of her fruit, or a combination of the above. I lean more toward her using her fruit's power to make the sun and the clouds her homies who do her bidding. You clearly see the sun and clouds under her control in chapter 827 (or around there).
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Oct 20, 2016 22:50
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I'm probably forgetting something obvious here, but is there a reason Sanji's brothers weren't offered to Pudding before him?
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Oct 20, 2016 23:04
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Millions posted:I'm probably forgetting something obvious here, but is there a reason Sanji's brothers weren't offered to Pudding before him? It's because Sanji's the expendable son. The Vinsmoke that marries Pudding will become part of Big Mom's crew, and Judge doesn't want to lose one of his good sons when he can just get rid of Sanji again.
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Oct 20, 2016 23:20
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he says its because big mom is a loving wacko who he doesnt trust with his good sons so it was lucky he had an extra trash kid lying around
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Oct 20, 2016 23:20
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Millions posted:I'm probably forgetting something obvious here, but is there a reason Sanji's brothers weren't offered to Pudding before him? Whoever gets married apparently has to settle down with her in Totland, and Judge wants to keep his sons in his army, under his control.
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Oct 20, 2016 23:22
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Mraagvpeine posted:I would argue that the Fishmen Island arc has more parallels and similarities to Skypeia than Zou, and I sort of see things between Zou to Jaya. The guy in the video says that it's due to the poneglyphs being on both Skypeia and Zou. I'm in no way complaining mind you. I enjoy the ride. 
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Oct 21, 2016 01:09
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bad dumb lovely theory: in the color spread for this chapter, sanji (royal family) is the only person on top of the roof with usopp, whos epithet is god. usopp is a royal/noble.
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Oct 21, 2016 01:27
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Usopp is One Piece.
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Oct 21, 2016 01:35
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The fight might not last long if Luffy knocks Sanji's medical mask off and it's revealed how bad he's actually injured.
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Oct 21, 2016 02:04
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Perigryn posted:The fight might not last long if Luffy knocks Sanji's medical mask off and it's revealed how bad he's actually injured. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. They're both weakened then, in that case.
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Oct 21, 2016 03:38
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It's not going to be a real fight. Sanji's going to put on a theatrical display in front of his family while Luffy's going to initially wonder why Sanji isn't fighting him seriously until enough poo poo clicks in his head that he takes a dive. Nami's going to wonder WTF because she knows Luffy could have smashed the poo poo out of Sanji if he really wanted to, weakened or no. Reiju's going to see through it all since she'll have gotten an idea of how strong Luffy actually is back when she cured his poison, but the bros will be utterly convinced that Luffy's weak as poo poo for being beaten by the weakest Vinsmoke, so they'll have a good laugh about it and not take him seriously when he shows up again. Judge will remain skeptical, and when he hears that one of Big Mom's commanders got taken out he'll connect the dots and see the ruse, and put some kind of plan into motion to deal with it.
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Oct 21, 2016 04:21
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what if luffy reads his mind. he did it last arc with law.
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Oct 21, 2016 04:36
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I hope Lufy calls in a member of the armada to protect Zeff and the Baratie. I want to see Judge give the order, Sanji freak out, then all of a sudden you hear "Holy poo poo it's a giant or little dwarves or whatever!" from the snail phone
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Oct 21, 2016 07:06
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QuantaStarFire posted:It's not going to be a real fight. Sanji's going to put on a theatrical display in front of his family while Luffy's going to initially wonder why Sanji isn't fighting him seriously until enough poo poo clicks in his head that he takes a dive. I'm actually really curious about how this will play out, because I think you might be overestimating Luffy's intelligence. Especially when he's angry and hungry. I'm curious to see if Nami is gonna hijack even more of Big Mom's poo poo later. We can assume that her control over weather is because she stuck two poor souls inside two dangerous weather patterns: between Nami's penchant for manipulation and her pre-established meteorological mojo, maybe she's gonna get a major upgrade from this arc.
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Oct 21, 2016 09:32
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As we learn more about Big Mom, I feel less and less convinced that she's going to be the kind of threat that gets dealt with by Luffy's fists. Her powers are incredibly well suited to amass and mantain her huge empire and territory, but they don't seem suited to an individual, close and personal fight, with the caveat that this is One Piece and any power can be used in a fight. Even Zeus and Prometheus feel like a natural extension of her modus operandi of "cross me, and very bad poo poo will happen to you and everybody you care for", and if, as theorized, they're very powerful homies Nami will deal with them (feels weird to type that).
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Oct 21, 2016 09:56
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nami will probably help fight her because weather is her whole thing
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Oct 21, 2016 10:06
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Sanji won't use haki to avoid the explosion from his shackles because he'd never let his hands get hardened and something something being a chef.
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Oct 21, 2016 15:23
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Green Intern posted:Sanji won't use haki to avoid the explosion from his shackles because he'd never let his hands get hardened and something something being a chef. Or, he's not a specialist in Armament (confirmed) and he's not sure he can avoid lasting damage to his hands, so he doesn't want to risk it.
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Oct 21, 2016 17:29
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anime was right posted:what if luffy reads his mind. Wait what? Do you mean Zou? Because I just finished rereading Dressrosa and there wasn't any telepathy in that arc.
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lowercase16 posted:Wait what? Do you mean Zou? Because I just finished rereading Dressrosa and there wasn't any telepathy in that arc. chapter 780 page 15 and into parts of chapter 781, law speaks in the "voice of all things" word bubble that is used when luffy hears several other things that cannot speak, this is when law was presumably "killed" (lol that was never gonna happen). law is not speaking, they are clearly his thoughts but he is also communicating with luffy. the lots of lines word bubble used in this scenario is only ever used in a few instances, such as when luffy hears the sea kings talk about noah (who again, aren't actually speaking...) that said my post was kind of a half-joke. anime was right fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Oct 21, 2016 19:02
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law is cool and good and i'm glad jinbe is taking his spot in the crew
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Oct 21, 2016 19:34
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Jose posted:law is cool and good and i'm glad jinbe is taking his spot in the crew 
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anime was right posted:chapter 780 page 15 and into parts of chapter 781, law speaks in the "voice of all things" word bubble that is used when luffy hears several other things that cannot speak, this is when law was presumably "killed" (lol that was never gonna happen). law is not speaking, they are clearly his thoughts but he is also communicating with luffy. Half-joke is fair enough. But the reason it was in those speech bubbles is Law whispering to Luffy from another location. Because that Dead Law was actually one of Doflomingo's flunkies that Law switched places with after his arm was cut off but before Doffy riddled "him" with bullets.
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lowercase16 posted:Half-joke is fair enough. its super weird how its used, its always used to deliver information that is absolutely not being said by anyone: http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/818/14 http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/818/15 in that panel to panel transition, its stated what happens, but then luffy says for them to talk about what happened. which means no one heard those words besides (potentially) him. similar thing to the flashback, no one is talking but the text bubble delivers information thats being thought. in the law scenario, its used actively (not in a flashback), but its used sometimes in flashbacks when someone is speaking but still in the same panel: http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/782/4 but its used here like so: http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/647/11 all other voice bubbles have consistency to their use except this one, which seems to only apply to some level of omniscience (hearing things that aren't being presently spoken). so idk what the hell it is, but its probably the voice of all things and luffy can learn the history of people and thats why it shows up in flashbacks randomly (its common in the sanji flashback when there's no one actively speaking). note that this type of word bubble only becomes prominent post timeskip and only during unspoken moments and flashbacks. fwiw, this is the first time i think its used: http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/391/10 and it doesn't start showing up actively in flashbacks until brook. it seems weird because this is the only kind of box that is used so wildly. maybe its oda adding sort of an echo or hollowed effect to the voice. anime was right fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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He uses it a lot to phase in and out of flashback moments. If you're watching the anime., these bubbles are like the audio starting to play while the screen goes white to change setting.
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Law Cheetah posted:he says its because big mom is a loving wacko who he doesnt trust with his good sons so it was lucky he had an extra trash kid lying around Yeah, none of the kids he actually likes are going to be risked having their soul eaten by a obese mafia queen. NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Oct 22, 2016 05:37
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one thing about big moms sun/cloud thing was that they were on her arms in that panels so its to be assumed she controls them more than just Homies
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verbal enema posted:one thing about big moms sun/cloud thing was that they were on her arms in that panels so its to be assumed she controls them more than just Homies I found it very reminiscent of the way Whitebeard's fruit was drawn. I swear to god if Big Mom has given devilfruits souls imma flip.
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Crazyeyes posted:I found it very reminiscent of the way Whitebeard's fruit was drawn. Big Mom is literally going to flip our wigs this is going to be awesome no matter what also the gently caress is up with Jack??? did we ever have speculation on how he is just chilling underwater? Also how about Zou is an insane big elephant and Jack is a Mammoth type Zoan and Zou is the one who first defeats him. Perhaps Zou is going to come back into play? Perhaps in a fight with Germa 66 or Big Mom??? Just saying the Strawhats got in really good with the animals people w/e i forgot their name so its not out of the question also that lil Dragon Kid is still there i think and him and Zou are the only ones who communicate Luffy dont count he was too dumb to attempt to listen
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verbal enema posted:also the gently caress is up with Jack??? did we ever have speculation on how he is just chilling underwater? He's a fishman with a devil fruit. His energy gets sapped by being in water like all fruit users, but he can still breathe underwater. As long as someone can salvage him from under the sea he has the benefit of a fruit without the downside of assured death in water.
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verbal enema posted:
Zou is the Minkmen's "ship", if you will, when they join Luffy's Armada at end of arc.
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Shoren posted:He's a fishman with a devil fruit. His energy gets sapped by being in water like all fruit users, but he can still breathe underwater. As long as someone can salvage him from under the sea he has the benefit of a fruit without the downside of assured death in water. oh right on thats why he was all like poo poo now i gotta wait for these idiots to find me Crazyeyes posted:Zou is the Minkmen's "ship", if you will, when they join Luffy's Armada at end of arc. im betting 10 obama funbux that Zou makes a major play in this since he already has shown to be able to fight
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I can't wait for the cover arc about Jack being stuck on the bottom of the ocean at the mercy of various goofballs who happen to pass by. Then he gets rescued and is back on a ship, but gets mad and turns into a mammoth and whoops now he's back on the seabed.
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Is Kaizou just the strongest human or is he also a devil fruit user
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verbal enema posted:Is Kaizou just the strongest human or is he also a devil fruit user Pretty sure Kaidou isn't human. Hence "the world's strongest creature." I don't think he's a DF user; I think he was made immortal by a previous user of the Ope Ope Fruit. It hasn't been revealed either way, though.
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Silver2195 posted:Pretty sure Kaidou isn't human. Hence "the world's strongest creature." i musta blanked when i read that strongest creature thing
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