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Sundowner posted:I know you're not saying they're bad. My post was addressing what you said about having to be a "personality based" LPer to "get away with" (your words) doing weird jilted cuts to reactions in horror games but I was just saying that all LPers are "personality based" and that cutting away to footage is dumb. I was basically bloody agreeing with you and just adding that the notion of "personality based" is kinda silly because every LP is just that. Man, that was a convoluted way of saying that then. And there's a marked difference between a LP that focuses on the game and how the game is played and a LP that focuses on the LPer reaction to said game. I just short-handed it to "personality-based", as in "the LPer is a personality", not "the LPer HAS a personality". To be fair with you, tho, 99% of YT LPs fit the second category anyway. The editing thing is what I already said, it could work on a different format.
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Dias posted:Man, that was a convoluted way of saying that then. And there's a marked difference between a LP that focuses on the game and how the game is played and a LP that focuses on the LPer reaction to said game. I just short-handed it to "personality-based", as in "the LPer is a personality", not "the LPer HAS a personality". To be fair with you, tho, 99% of YT LPs fit the second category anyway. The editing thing is what I already said, it could work on a different format. Oh sure I know there's a difference between a casual youtube LP and an LP with a bit of effort put in to service the game but those LPs (at least, how I perceive them) are still just as much about the person as the game. I mean... it's a person talking over a video game when they have nothing to do with the content of the game at all. Maybe I'm the weird one but I can't separate those two concepts. Like I said, if I truly just wanted to see a game I'd watch a long play or find one of the many commentary-less channels... but specifically finding an LP on here or on YouTube is still about finding an interesting person to listen to, right? :S
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Sundowner posted:Oh sure I know there's a difference between a casual youtube LP and an LP with a bit of effort put in to service the game but those LPs (at least, how I perceive them) are still just as much about the person as the game. I mean... it's a person talking over a video game when they have nothing to do with the content of the game at all. Maybe I'm the weird one but I can't separate those two concepts. Like I said, if I truly just wanted to see a game I'd watch a long play or find one of the many commentary-less channels... but specifically finding an LP on here or on YouTube is still about finding an interesting person to listen to, right? :S I get what you mean, but there are people that do LPs where they take time to explain "oh, this mechanic works like this", "you can do this to defeat that boss", etc. Then there are stuff like SBFP and the Grumps, where they mostly just bumble through a game unless it's one of their favorites, and you're watching it for the riffing. Of course, even in the first format you need to be engaging and interesting - AGDQ is basically that done live and some people just die out there -, but it's not so much about you as it is about the game you're playing. I guess the hard divide is "are you doing a annotated walkthrough or are you doing something like Conan's Clueless Gamer?" (and the very soft one is C&I take on Revengeance over the SBFP's one). It was mostly meant as a caveat to hard cuts to yourself, because those would not fly if you were trying to explain a game, but could work if you are the main attraction, I guess.
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Dias posted:I get what you mean, but there are people that do LPs where they take time to explain "oh, this mechanic works like this", "you can do this to defeat that boss", etc. Then there are stuff like SBFP and the Grumps, where they mostly just bumble through a game unless it's one of their favorites, and you're watching it for the riffing. Of course, even in the first format you need to be engaging and interesting - AGDQ is basically that done live and some people just die out there -, but it's not so much about you as it is about the game you're playing. That's a fair enough assessment I guess. Let's Play. It's a dynamic thing! haha
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Jan 13, 2016 20:16
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I believe you all mean Let's Play®.
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Jan 13, 2016 20:58
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No no, trademark. Let's Play™.
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Dias posted:I get what you mean, but there are people that do LPs where they take time to explain "oh, this mechanic works like this", "you can do this to defeat that boss", etc. Then there are stuff like SBFP and the Grumps, where they mostly just bumble through a game unless it's one of their favorites, and you're watching it for the riffing. Of course, even in the first format you need to be engaging and interesting - AGDQ is basically that done live and some people just die out there -, but it's not so much about you as it is about the game you're playing. So what you're saying is that there's a spectrum of Let's Play, and you're on it somewhere.
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Artix posted:No no, trademark. Let's Play™. Can't use the term without Slowbeef's permission, it's just LP.
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Let's Play©™®.
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Artix posted:No no, trademark. Let's Play™. ® is a trademark officially registered with the US PTO.
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Can't you look up trademark claims on USPTO? Has anyone looked up what fun and wacky ways people have tried to claim "Let's Play"? I read yesterday that Sony tried to trademark it in some form but it fell through.
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Yep. You can search that: http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showf...ch=Submit+Query
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PewDiePie apparently made his own sub-MCN within Maker. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/13/youtube-pewdiepie-avengers-talent-squad-revelmode Mekchu fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Jan 14, 2016 00:08
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Mikelat is back from his hibernation
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When I said 'cut to' I meant 'show in the corner like always', the phrasing was my bad. Just from a game design perspective it's a little tilting that the effort we put into UI design gets smashed by an additional video stream that really only needs to capture a fraction of what is shown. Realistically I think there's space for a video player that overlays multiple video streams together efficiently and puts control into the user's hands re: what they want to see. There's no real 'solution' otherwise because it's not actually a problem, it's just a separation of desires between different users. The short version is, I'm not bothered by them existing, I'm bothered that finding the version I want is harder.
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Procrastinator posted:When I said 'cut to' I meant 'show in the corner like always', the phrasing was my bad. Just from a game design perspective it's a little tilting that the effort we put into UI design gets smashed by an additional video stream that really only needs to capture a fraction of what is shown. Right on man. I mean, talk about yer audio designer getting shafted by some nerd talking over everything they slaved over for months so's a bunch of strangers get to in-a-round-about-way experience the game for free. Actually on a serious note someone on twitter actually suggested something when I was talking about facecams - like a way to enable and disable on the fly aspects of a video. So you could have a button that closes the camera or mutes the dialog. I mean, it's never gonna happen because YouTube certainly won't implement that functionality and it'd be a huge gimmick but it's one way it could work. Instead of trying to find a way to smartly edit it, you could just give the viewer a choice. Edit: I was so intent on making that sick gag at the start of this reply that I forgot to read the second paragraph in which you basically described exactly what my second paragraph described. I need coffee. Sundowner fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jan 14, 2016 |
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Alexeythegreat posted:Mikelat is back from his hibernation https://twitter.com/mikelatLP/status/608743806117134336 never forget
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So DSP unveiled his new channel in a last ditch effort to not have to get a real job. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UClFWgP2iZ7GElM8Db6NJ5-g/featured
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TaurusOxford posted:So DSP unveiled his new channel in a last ditch effort to not have to get a real job. I'm starting to feel sorry for the guy. Didn't he buy a BMW and a house in a gated community expecting youtube and twitch money to cover it all? When it all catches up to him I don't think an employer is going to take him seriously when puts down youtube entertainer to explain his gap in employment.
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The sad thing about DSP is at some point in the past he genuinely was a decent youtuber. When money became the focus he went to poo poo fast. He lost all his friends (especially his SF/FGC friends), lost his YouTube friends, and basically poo poo on all his fans as well. He needs to take a bit of criticism and improve himself.
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Leal posted:I'm starting to feel sorry for the guy. I'm not. I tried to give him a fair shot and look at him how he presented himself without anyone else's opinions coloring my views, and at best, he's not good at what he does. At worst, though? All the things highlighted by people like Kojima World Order, Sons of Kojima, his former fans, and even John Rambo of all people, are real things that have really happened. They're not doctored or skewed to fit an agenda, just taken out of the larger story of "DSP is a boring and obnoxious LPer, and he also does lovely things." to bring those lovely things to the forefront in case all the boring and obnoxious stuff made it less obvious.
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Leal posted:I'm starting to feel sorry for the guy. Didn't he buy a BMW and a house in a gated community expecting youtube and twitch money to cover it all? When it all catches up to him I don't think an employer is going to take him seriously when puts down youtube entertainer to explain his gap in employment. It's already catching up to him. Machinima redid his contract and he's taken a big pay cut as a result, he won't stream anymore unless he gets 400 viewers minimum (180,000 subs FYI) , he view-quit multiple games last year cause nobody was watching them, and he has put multiple games behind a Patreon Paywall, going as low as to ask people to give up their Christmas money so he can stay in "business".
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I had a friend ask me if Deadly Premonition was worth getting/playing and to answer I decided I'd send him the link the SGF's LP of it. The way I normally do this (since I've done it in the past) is go to his Videos section on YouTube and then sort by most popular and Part 1 is usually right there on the top (https://www.youtube.com/user/supergreatfriend/videos?flow=list&sort=p&view=0). However at some point in the last while, his most popular video is an unremarkable 12 minute rundown of the Real Steal movie tie-in robot boxing game, by an almost 8 to 1 factor (826k views for Real Steel, 140k views for Deadly Premonition Pt 1). Does anyone know what happened there? It's not something I super care about, but did seem weird to just stumble across an unremarkable video from 4 years ago has 8 times the views of the first video of an LP he's most famous for doing.
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I seem to remember SGF talking about that subject on a stream a long time ago. Even he doesn't really know why that's the case.
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Leal posted:I'm starting to feel sorry for the guy. Didn't he buy a BMW and a house in a gated community expecting youtube and twitch money to cover it all? When it all catches up to him I don't think an employer is going to take him seriously when puts down youtube entertainer to explain his gap in employment. Entertainer is kind of a stretch. I'd list DSP as more of a Youtube Resident than anything. But yeah, I'm going to agree that this whole thing is a cautionary tale of life priorities regarding the wonderful world of internet fame and fortune.
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Leal posted:I'm starting to feel sorry for the guy. Didn't he buy a BMW and a house in a gated community expecting youtube and twitch money to cover it all? When it all catches up to him I don't think an employer is going to take him seriously when puts down youtube entertainer to explain his gap in employment. When was he laid off, like 2010 or something? Man, that's a hell of a long gap to explain, and it's only going to get bigger.
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I mean, it won't really be that hard to explain when he shows his future employers the paycheck he received for doing LPs and they go "Oh, okay".
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ninjahedgehog posted:When was he laid off, like 2010 or something? Man, that's a hell of a long gap to explain, and it's only going to get bigger. "I was living the dream on YouTube Ohkaaaay. *SNORT*. But those loving sociopaths were so jealous of me that they cost me thousands of dollars and made me lose my business. WHAAAAT!? What do you mean you won't hire me?! At least donate to my Patreon, and buy my girlfriend's soap."
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CJacobs posted:I mean, it won't really be that hard to explain when he shows his future employers the paycheck he received for doing LPs and they go "Oh, okay". Gotta get to the interview before you can do that, though. I think if I were him I'd spin it as trying to start my own business and hope they never ask what you actually did day-to-day, because "sat on my rear end and filmed my TV screen while I played video games" probably isn't the answer they're looking for. EDIT: Like, he can't possibly have developed any sort of marketable skills doing this, right? The only thing a Youtube superstar conceivably could've learned was video editing, but we all know little of that he did. ninjahedgehog fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Let's playing "professionally" has a lot of marketable skills involved: Marketing, video editing, video production, just to name a couple. You have to learn how advertising works and about how marketing and popularity can affect your personal income as a business. People like to act like people such as DSP won't ever be able to explain away their gap in employment- if that actually matters at all in the first place, since it's a question I have never heard get asked during an interview -but it's definitely not the case.
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CJacobs posted:Let's playing "professionally" has a lot of marketable skills involved: Marketing, video editing, video production, just to name a couple. People like to act like people such as DSP won't ever be able to explain away their gap in employment- if that actually matters at all in the first place, since it's a question I have never heard asked during an interview -but it's definitely not the case. Then again, DSP doesn't seem to have really developed a high level of marketable skills based on his incredible incompetence at LPing. Like, ChipCheezum is a drat good video editor and he even got a job at Volition recently based on that. DSP spent quite a while just pointing a camcorder at his screen and I don't think he's done anything more complex than just being able to put clips in order and cutting out bits (the rare times he actually cuts out fuckups). I make pretty basic videos for marketing and training as an independent business and it requires way more effort than DSP puts into an average video; the dude is still just taking full videos recorded off his PS4 and uploading them with little to no editing. So like, he could maybe bullshit his way into a company that wants an independent video editor. But I doubt he'd be able to produce anything really good.
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Having a start-up youtube business for 5+ years falls more in the positive category then the negative one when it comes the HR side of things. Because how many people can go even 2 years off of their bank account alone? It would have been more of a negative if he only lasted 6 months to a year.
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Is this a first time thing, or have their been other LPers in the past who had a big audience and YouTube income who just lost it for whatever reason. If anything it helps get the message out that this is a very risky way to make a living.
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bobjr posted:Is this a first time thing, or have their been other LPers in the past who had a big audience and YouTube income who just lost it for whatever reason. If anything it helps get the message out that this is a very risky way to make a living. There was some dude whose name I genuinely forget that was semi-notable for his YouTube LPs etc. before opting to not do it anymore in favor of a ~real job.
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bobjr posted:Is this a first time thing, or have their been other LPers in the past who had a big audience and YouTube income who just lost it for whatever reason. If anything it helps get the message out that this is a very risky way to make a living. Well, almost Doug Walker? He dropped the Nostalgia Critic to do something else but when his fans weren't biting he came running back to do Nostalgia Critic insisting that he just needed a break was all.
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Leal posted:Well, almost Doug Walker? He dropped the Nostalgia Critic to do something else but when his fans weren't biting he came running back to do Nostalgia Critic insisting that he just needed a break was all. They guys whole network thing got hardcore hosed by Blip closing down too, apparently they never thought of backing up the media on another service so half the site is now forever gone and scattered across a bunch of half-assed youtube channels that are slowly uploading old content in an incomprehensible order.
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Wapole Languray posted:so half the site is now forever gone One of the groups with archive.org grabbed the entire Blip library before it went down as a direct data dump from their servers with Blip's permission, it just hasn't yet been converted back to a form that can be browsed/accessed online because there was so much there. They've been sending people things on specific request though. Nothing that was on Blip when it shut down is actually gone for good.
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It makes me wonder why these people didn't just keep personal copies of things; like I have a pretty steady output of videos from over 5 years or so, and it's not difficult to save just the finished product. Or hell, even buy an external hard drive.
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Niggurath posted:It makes me wonder why these people didn't just keep personal copies of things; like I have a pretty steady output of videos from over 5 years or so, and it's not difficult to save just the finished product. Or hell, even buy an external hard drive. I'm pretty sure most of them did, hence them haphazardly uploading to Youtube. A lot of them got kicked off of Youtube in the first place for copyright violations, so it's not exactly their first rodeo.
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