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I’m that guy aware that the number of blacks who meet the SAT medians of the top 25 schools is just about big enough to fill out 10% of the Harvard class. But since some of them want Stanford and other Ivies (or the local state school) those schools have to really dig deep if they want a 10% black student body. It’s the same for whites, of course, who would only make up about 30% of the Harvard student body without anti-Asian affirmative action.
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That Clayton guy seems like a real piece of poo poo.
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Apr 22, 2018 14:14
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Sir Tonk posted:That Clayton guy seems like a real piece of poo poo. white innocence is such a loving hell of a drug it means you can callously insult and even physically harm POC, and you can have people defending your honor and inherent goodness to the death and trying to make excuses for you it's like how you have white people who think rose from Get Out was just being brainwashed into going along with the armitage family's line of business despite her having a box full of pictures of herself with the people whose lives she ended
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Apr 22, 2018 14:25
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Syzygy Stardust posted:Asking if they got in because of AA is incredibly rude, but a big part of that is because it’s incredibly likely that they did, in fact, get in because of AA. Asking Trump at a social event if he’s cheated on his wife lately would be rude as well. No? Even in cases where minority status is a factor it's used to choose between two students who were otherwise equal. Schools like Harvard get literally hundreds of thousands of applicants a year. They don't have to allow anyone in who isn't qualified. Unless their parents make extremely generous donations, but that's a different issue, and none of the people complaining about AA ever seem bothered by it.
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Apr 22, 2018 15:57
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Clayton was voted out of the SBOE in 2012, hasn't run since. He lost the primary that year once it came out he was gay. Seems like a whole lot of "he doth protest too much" on his part to show he's a real Republican.
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Apr 22, 2018 16:20
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Keeshhound posted:No? Even in cases where minority status is a factor it's used to choose between two students who were otherwise equal. Schools like Harvard get literally hundreds of thousands of applicants a year. They don't have to allow anyone in who isn't qualified. Unless their parents make extremely generous donations, but that's a different issue, and none of the people complaining about AA ever seem bothered by it. AA admits have much worse credentials than legacies. The gap is astoundingly huge. Back in 1997 the University of Chicago graduate school advising office had a tracker on their website (until I publicized it on the lawschool listserv and they yanked it) with the average GPA, LSAT, and acceptance rates of their undergrads by race and law school applied to. Blacks were getting into HLS with low 150s LSATs and 3.0 GPAs at higher rates than whites averaging averaging something like a 168 and 3.8. The best was the single Hispanic application and acceptance to UVA law who had a 2.5 GPA and 153 LSAT, no inferences from the average required. Obama was genuinely impressive and picked as a future president by his classmates because he was truly extraordinary as a a slightly above average HLS intellect.
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Apr 22, 2018 16:30
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Black people aren't the reason your grades weren't good enough, Abigail
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Syzygy Stardust posted:Obama was genuinely impressive and picked as a future president by his classmates because he was truly extraordinary as a a slightly above average HLS intellect. lol holy poo poo
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Apr 22, 2018 17:25
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Syzygy Stardust posted:Asking if they got in because of AA is incredibly rude, but a big part of that is because it’s incredibly likely that they did, in fact, get in because of AA. Asking Trump at a social event if he’s cheated on his wife lately would be rude as well. the amount of people that have their race factored into their admittance is, even if we use the absolute most generous to brain geniuses like you figures, is massively dwarfed by things like legacy and social club status. It seems if these people actually gave a poo poo about people getting an unfair leg up they'd rail against that poo poo way before they start demanding random black people justify their very presence as valid.
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Apr 22, 2018 17:29
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VitalSigns posted:Black people aren't the reason your grades weren't good enough, Abigail It saddens me that the SCOTUS majority didn't also find a way to legally change her name to Becky with the Bad Grades.
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Apr 22, 2018 17:31
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Turn left thread, turn left
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Apr 22, 2018 17:58
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Quandary posted:Turn left thread, turn left the thread is trying to court the moderate republican posters
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Paracaidas posted:It saddens me that the SCOTUS majority didn't also find a way to legally change her name to Becky with the Bad Grades. In a totally bitchin 5-4 decision...
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Apr 22, 2018 18:42
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lmao I just saw he pulled the "anti-asian affirmative action" card. The thing white people pull out when they want asian people and non-"model minority" people to fight each other. Hint: if AA gets abolished, those seats are not going to asian students
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Apr 22, 2018 18:45
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kurona_bright posted:Hint: if AA gets abolished, those seats are not going to asian students Excuse me but I do believe Caucasian has 'asian' in the name.
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Apr 22, 2018 18:48
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kurona_bright posted:lmao I just saw he pulled the "anti-asian affirmative action" card. The thing white people pull out when they want asian people and non-"model minority" people to fight each other. it's also hilarious because like 60% of asians support affirmative action, and the vast majority of the noise you hear opposing it is from a very vocal minority of entitled, myopic, disgruntled upper middle class chinese immigrants and their kids on wechat
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Apr 22, 2018 18:57
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Syzygy Stardust posted:AA admits have much worse credentials than legacies. The gap is astoundingly huge. Back in 1997 the University of Chicago graduate school advising office had a tracker on their website (until I publicized it on the lawschool listserv and they yanked it) with the average GPA, LSAT, and acceptance rates of their undergrads by race and law school applied to. Blacks were getting into HLS with low 150s LSATs and 3.0 GPAs at higher rates than whites averaging averaging something like a 168 and 3.8. The best was the single Hispanic application and acceptance to UVA law who had a 2.5 GPA and 153 LSAT, no inferences from the average required. gently caress off, racist.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:38
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It does rule to see the hip young flavor of white power in 'actually blacks are genetically inferior and only get things by government handouts...but Obama was cool he was probably basically white.'
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Apr 22, 2018 22:06
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Syzygy Stardust posted:AA admits have much worse credentials than legacies. The gap is astoundingly huge. Back in 1997 the University of Chicago graduate school advising office had a tracker on their website (until I publicized it on the lawschool listserv and they yanked it) with the average GPA, LSAT, and acceptance rates of their undergrads by race and law school applied to. Blacks were getting into HLS with low 150s LSATs and 3.0 GPAs at higher rates than whites averaging averaging something like a 168 and 3.8. The best was the single Hispanic application and acceptance to UVA law who had a 2.5 GPA and 153 LSAT, no inferences from the average required. And now all that data is magically gone? Interesting. Are you sure those numbers didn't magically change between the time 20 years ago when you found them and now? If you've got a link, I would like to see it. And if you're talking about 1997 too. Now, average LSATs scores are higher. They're higher than even when I was applying in the early 2000s. So throwing out those numbers isn't really saying much, especially given how Affirmative Action programs have had to change post-Bollinger. quote:Obama was genuinely impressive and picked as a future president by his classmates because he was truly extraordinary as a a slightly above average HLS intellect. It also could have been the non-numerical things he brought to the table. Like his ability to relate to people, make friends, express himself eloquently, and those kinds of politically-useful social skills. Calling Obama an "above average HLS intellect" is doing him a big disservice.
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Apr 22, 2018 22:28
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As a white male, it makes me extremely happy if race is used as a factor to the benefit of minorities. gently caress people who believed life is a meritocracy. I benefit from a whole host of positive stereotypes. Balance things out by helping the oppressed. Meritocracy is a myth.
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Racial quotas, at least as a government AA thing, haven't been used for more than 30 years. However, universities often take race or ethnicity into account for admission, as one of several factors, for good reason. Some latino kid that grew up speaking english as a second language while attending a broke-rear end school district who then went on to get a bachelors, take the LSATs, and apply for law school is a hell of a lot more impressive than some upper-middle class white person who grew up in affluent suburbs and had their parents pay for undergrad even if the white kid has higher standardized test scores. And again, race/ethnicity is only one of several factors. If you're white but also an under-educated, impoverished first-generation college student with below par standardized test scores virtually every post-secondary institution will still give you preferential admission and financial aid, and there are federal and state programs, private scholarships, etc. that can further ease the financial burden of higher education. It's almost as if people complaining about affirmative action are really just complaining about minorities attending college.
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Apr 23, 2018 02:01
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wow the guy defending the insane bigot rear end in a top hat turns out to also hate affirmative action, color me fuckin surprised e: different guy who's also stupid. my mistake!
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Apr 23, 2018 02:11
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this guy saw george clayton's extensive collection of antebellum craniometers and thought "this is the smartest person i have ever met"
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Apr 23, 2018 02:16
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R. Guyovich posted:this guy saw george clayton's extensive collection of antebellum craniometers and thought "this is the smartest person i have ever met" *expanding caliper brain*
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Apr 23, 2018 07:55
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i hate this and i hate posting it here the statesman facebook will haunt my old age with the ferocity of brain plaques
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Apr 23, 2018 16:49
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Aliquid posted:i hate this and i hate posting it here Wait, he has a Yeti?
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Yeah but its just a tactilol Yeti, not an assault Yeti because assault Yetis are a media created term, so don't worry about it.
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Keeshhound posted:Wait, he has a Yeti? It's a microphone. Sending out podcasts about being an alpha while huddled in his bedroom clutching his gun.
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7c Nickel posted:It's a microphone. Sending out podcasts about being an alpha while huddled in his bedroom clutching his gun. Shut up. Let me have my image of him bunkered down in a basement with the abominable snowman. Just a man and his anthropological mystery, together against a world gone mad with liberals and would be gun-grabbers.
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Apr 23, 2018 17:44
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Glad to see SkiFree guy and the yeti made up, shame about their political beliefs though.
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Apr 23, 2018 17:59
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zoux posted:Looks like they are going to do a special election for Farenthold's seat This doesn't make any sense at all. This is one of the districts that was gerrymandered with discriminatory intent and should be redrawn. The primaries for Rep. Shithead's replacement have already occurred, although the GOP runoff between Racist A and Racist B hasn't happened yet. Now Abbott is going to step in and order a special election between June and November for, what purpose exactly? To figure out exactly which racist can fundraise nationally better?
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saintonan posted:This doesn't make any sense at all. This is one of the districts that was gerrymandered with discriminatory intent and should be redrawn. The primaries for Rep. Shithead's replacement have already occurred, although the GOP runoff between Racist A and Racist B hasn't happened yet. Now Abbott is going to step in and order a special election between June and November for, what purpose exactly? To figure out exactly which racist can fundraise nationally better? Because people think that the midterms will have like a +10% Dem swing or something and the republicans want it to not be "blake fahrenthold's district"
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So Racist A and Racist B are going to have a runoff on May 22, then presumably they'll both declare for the special election, so they can rehash that fight a month later (comedy option: they hold the special election on the same day as the primary runoff) and then another election in November, all three of which will get national press and money because no matter what Abbott says it'll still be Rep Duckfucker's old district, and he's still trying to dodge repaying his harassment settlement. I can't wait to hear about how this race will be about fiscal responsibility.
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Apr 23, 2018 19:56
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a yeti is a ridiculously expensive tricked-out ice chest for tubing and hunting, you ivy league coastal elites
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Apr 24, 2018 02:08
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Democrats will never win in Texas until they know what a yeti cooler is
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R. Guyovich posted:a yeti is a ridiculously expensive tricked-out ice chest for tubing and hunting, you ivy league coastal elites they are legit good tho, but like hell am I paying that much for a cooler
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Yeti coolers are only popular with yuppies in Dallas and that barely qualifies as Texad. Maybe the yuppies in Austin like them too, idk, but that isn't helping the argument.
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Apr 24, 2018 05:26
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They're popular because, like Apple and The Chive, they mass-distributed stupid vinyl stickers for idiots to put on their cars and pretend to be off-road outdoorsy types, and also give them free advertising.
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Dameius posted:Yeti coolers are only popular with yuppies in Dallas and that barely qualifies as Texad. Maybe the yuppies in Austin like them too, idk, but that isn't helping the argument.
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Dameius posted:Yeti coolers are only popular with yuppies in Dallas and that barely qualifies as Texad. I just thought it was those big mugs people fill with fountain soda. That is honestly the only Yeti I have seen in the wild.
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