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emanresu tnuocca posted:Killing Sean Bean and having really good costumes and sets built GoTs reputation. Also a wise cracking small person and a hot naked babe with dragons. I'd consider the handling of plot points part of that craftsmanship. If D&D wrote Ned's death themselves, it would've been hacky and no one would have cared.
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I think at this point it's easier to think about the show more in terms of what the writers want the characters and dialog to tell us than the actual logic behind a characters actions - which is a radical shift from season 1-4. The whole Arya/Sansa conflict is centered around the central theme of betraying the Lord of Winterfell for ones own goals, with Arya accusing Sansa of having done it in the past and now repeating it with Jon, but in the next episode we will see that when the pack sticks together, they can punish the real Judas, who betrayed Ned and is currently working against Jon, Petyr Baelish. It doesn't make sense for the individual figures to act the way they do, including Littlefinger, but there is a logic behind the story as a whole.
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Yes had George banged out four more books with masterful plot twists and engaging character moments the show would have been better. Shame he never did.
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I don't caaaaaaare about that stupid little writing mistake, who gives a poo poo? I just wanna shitpost about these loving idiot writers who don't even spend 60s to watch the scene they are referencing in their work and about how none of the other braindead morons on the 1000 people team actually checked it either in all the months they worked on this. It's even funnier cause it happens on this gigantic mega production and not on some lovely Bulgarian telenovella. This is like the OSHA thread for me, but for TV screenwriting. I see that idiot Chinese warehouse guy stacking three fork lifts on each other and I wanna see it all crash and burn, see his balls on fire and lol about it itt, not read how balls are supposed to be on fire, how they are not actually on fire or how it's no biggie cause warehouse are designed to be burning or how it doesn't matter cause everyone can just work around the fork lift fire or whatever mental gymnastics people come up with.
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Accretionist posted:I'd consider the handling of plot points part of that craftsmanship. In book format, yes. In TV Series format, not so much. From my own experience, most of the friends and coworkers I've talked into watching the show took like 4-5 days to watch season 1 and then watched the other seasons in 2-4 days (depending wether they started watching around season 3 - 6) I've said it and will uphold it. As much as the people in this thread love the well thought out dialogues, season 1 had too much of it and very little action. The 2 big battles of S1 happen offscreen with a character commentating on it. The 2 plots holding it together are "Will Incest Baby Family Get Exposed?" and "Where Are The Zombies From Episode 1?" While the wise cracking small person and the hot babe helped (not dragon babe till season finale), and it's slightly detered to some for the amount of rapey time and cuts to Littlefinger's titties and wee-wees house, it is not after Ned's death that people realise "Oh poo poo. This show. This show is different" and start to marathon through the following seasons to see who is gonna die next. In fact, marathoning through the seasons is a good way to not notice the decline on the quality cause you can fool your brain that the increasingly bigger fights equal an increase in quality.
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lezard_valeth posted:it is not after Ned's death that people realise "Oh poo poo. This show. This show is different" and start to marathon through the following seasons to see who is gonna die next. So what do you think kept them watching up until then? People liked the writing and the worldbuilding and the mystery and the plotting and the dialogue, they didn't long for spectacle at all costs. It was a ratings hit from day 1.
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WampaLord posted:So what do you think kept them watching up until then? And now that its 100% spectacle and nothing else, with atrocious writing and bad dialogue and tons of nonsense, people are making GBS threads all over it, even the most casual viewers Looks like the audience is not that dumb and is not only neeeerds who care about good writing and logic and consistency and stuff like that edit: and of course most people will keep watching anyway because they invested too much on this show to stop now, they want to know how it ends. So I doubt the audience is going to drop much. But judging by what Im seeing in the media, and social networks, and from people I know, is definetly more that us sperglords nitpicking dumb stuff Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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Jon Favreau had a TV show from about 2005 where he'd haave four people from Hollywood sitting around and talking about the film and TV industry. One of the guests asked David Milch, creator of Deadwood, if you could make a TV show like that on basic cable. Favreau cuts in and says 'no you can't, it's too complicated, people would be bored' etc. Everyone else, including Milch, seemed to agree with that. Within 10 years some of the most popular shows were prestige TV serialized dramas in the vein of Deadwood. A lot of people in the TV industry think that viewers are so stupid they don't even WANT well thought out material, but that's obviously a load of poo poo. I think that we're going to see more and more casual viewers criticize the show's writing decisions even as it remains popular.
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Elias_Maluco posted:edit: and of course most people will keep watching anyway because they invested too much on this show to stop now, they want to know how it ends. So I doubt the audience is going to drop much. But judging by what Im seeing in the media, and social networks, and from people I know, is definetly more that us sperglords nitpicking dumb stuff sperging is "how did they get the chains to pull up the dragon???" not "how is everyone teleporting around and why are there no consequences for massive actions like blowing up half the cast when much minor transgressions ending up wiping out entire houses". it's weird how people keep acting like legitimate criticism of plotting and writing and very basic story structure is "sperging".
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Groovelord Neato posted:sperging is "how did they get the chains to pull up the dragon???" not "how is everyone teleporting around and why are there no consequences for massive actions like blowing up half the cast when much minor transgressions ending up wiping out entire houses". it's weird how people keep acting like legitimate criticism of plotting and writing and very basic story structure is "sperging". Agreed
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Groovelord Neato posted:sperging is "how did they get the chains to pull up the dragon???" anchor chains from Hardhome 
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:"Summer found the episodes squatting in the DVR, groaning. Every episode was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time autumn came up the show was making GBS threads brown water. The longer the show went on, the more it shat, but the more it shat, the thirstier the circlejerk of casual viewers grew, and they send it crawling to the stream to suck up even more casual viewers." Perfect! I wasn't sure how to describe the decline of the shows writing quality and increased pacing!
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auzdark posted:Perfect! I wasn't sure how to describe the decline of the shows writing quality and increased pacing! Try a Dave Hill format joke. I'm disappointed we haven't seen one of those in a while. Constant posted:anchor chains from Hardhome How did they get them out of the water and attach them to the dragons in the water?
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I just want the White Walkers to wipe everyone out and in turn get wiped out by a dying Drogon. Nothing left, the land belongs to no one not even the children of the forest or whatever those green bitches are.
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some guy on the bus posted:How did they get them out of the water and attach them to the dragons in the water? The Night King obviously hired a crew specializing in ocean salvage, probably from Pyke or Hawaii or somewhere like that
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I don't caaaaaaare about that stupid little writing mistake, who gives a poo poo? I just wanna shitpost about these loving idiot writers who don't even spend 60s to watch the scene they are referencing in their work and about how none of the other braindead morons on the 1000 people team actually checked it either in all the months they worked on this. It's even funnier cause it happens on this gigantic mega production and not on some lovely Bulgarian telenovella. This is like the OSHA thread for me, but for TV screenwriting. I see that idiot Chinese warehouse guy stacking three fork lifts on each other and I wanna see it all crash and burn, see his balls on fire and lol about it itt, not read how balls are supposed to be on fire, how they are not actually on fire or how it's no biggie cause warehouse are designed to be burning or how it doesn't matter cause everyone can just work around the fork lift fire or whatever mental gymnastics people come up with. 
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My favourite part of the chain-pulling scene was how at least one of the wights appeared to be struggling manfully with his task, straining his face and looking distinctly not undead. I guess one of the redshirts survived and is doing his best to blend in.
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Rory McCann status: still killin' it
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you know what would have been cool? if the zombies had ignored Jon completely after he got out of the water, assuming he was one of them i don't care if it makes sense, it would have been a killer final shot to show Jon marching south WITH the WWs, shambling would have been better than Benjen Ex Machina
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precision posted:you know what would have been cool? if the zombies had ignored Jon completely after he got out of the water, assuming he was one of them I don't know. Jon is definitely alive right now, rather than undead. I feel like lord of light revival is a very different kettle of fish to shambling, remote control bone man revival. I also understood that it was the will of those wights that directed attacking zombies rather than the zombies themselves. Then again one got hit by a rock and they all charged, but maybe that was just the wights going "ok gently caress this".
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precision posted:you know what would have been cool? if the zombies had ignored Jon completely after he got out of the water, assuming he was one of them The Jon scene should have been like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb-rENuLJeg
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JBP posted:I don't know. Jon is definitely alive right now, rather than undead. I feel like lord of light revival is a very different kettle of fish to shambling, remote control bone man revival. Wights = zombies. White Walkers/Others = old ice dudes.
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I just want tits and dragons. Will there be tits and dragons?
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Maarek posted:Jon Favreau had a TV show from about 2005 where he'd haave four people from Hollywood sitting around and talking about the film and TV industry. One of the guests asked David Milch, creator of Deadwood, if you could make a TV show like that on basic cable. Favreau cuts in and says 'no you can't, it's too complicated, people would be bored' etc. Everyone else, including Milch, seemed to agree with that. Within 10 years some of the most popular shows were prestige TV serialized dramas in the vein of Deadwood. Well, he is not completely wrong though. Only very few of those shows really have mass appeal. A lot of those prestige shows have overall a very small viewership number, and wouldn't make it on something that runs on mass appeal instead of subscription fees. The basic niveau definitely increased a lot in the last 10 years, and even mass appeal shows are far more intelligent, challenging and meta than the same stuff 10-30 years ago, but a lot of the highly celebrated shows are still of limited appeal and completely rely an the loose pursestrings of this new frontier time for streaming/subscription "TV"l
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emanresu tnuocca posted:And which one of you was a screenwriter at 46? lol
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I don't caaaaaaare about that stupid little writing mistake, who gives a poo poo? I just wanna shitpost about these loving idiot writers who don't even spend 60s to watch the scene they are referencing in their work and about how none of the other braindead morons on the 1000 people team actually checked it either in all the months they worked on this. It's even funnier cause it happens on this gigantic mega production and not on some lovely Bulgarian telenovella. This is like the OSHA thread for me, but for TV screenwriting. I see that idiot Chinese warehouse guy stacking three fork lifts on each other and I wanna see it all crash and burn, see his balls on fire and lol about it itt, not read how balls are supposed to be on fire, how they are not actually on fire or how it's no biggie cause warehouse are designed to be burning or how it doesn't matter cause everyone can just work around the fork lift fire or whatever mental gymnastics people come up with. you sound like an epic badass
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some guy on the bus posted:How did they get them out of the water and attach them to the dragons in the water? A zombie swam down and attached it.
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hitchensgoespop posted:A zombie swam down and attached it. The same Zombies that can't cross water btw.
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Decius posted:The same Zombies that can't cross water btw.  Whoa, look at this loving sperglord sperging out over minor details, what a loser
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Why are you sperglords thinking about this show? Why can't you just hoot and holler at colorful moving pictures and loud noises like normal people do?
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Perhaps the zombie could sink to the bottom but had no way to re-emerge? we must respect the sacrifice of this noble zombie.
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Maybe the Night's King has zombie octopuses to perform underwater tasks. Octopuses are smart 
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Zombie mermen.
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Dead dragon should have been a floater. Alternatively, if they really wanted to pull up a dead dragon for dramatic effect, they could've made him drop into snow. Also, I guess the chains bother me cause the only thing we ever see about walker society is 3 guys on horses, starring into the distance. I never imagined that they would have giant forges and blacksmiths and stuff. But it makes sense I guess, their armor on the show is made of steel after all.
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I don't think the intention was dramatic effect so much as intimating the idea that the whole thing was a set-up.
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Decius posted:The same Zombies that can't cross water btw. They clearly did so in the Dawn of the Dead remake.
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