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1) Yeah European SIM cards will be the best option for this for sure. Unless you're really just going to use google maps in which case just download them all on your phone ahead of time, data isn't usually thaaaaat necessary unless you're instagramming every little thing. 2) I wouldn't do this for Crete or Florence, for Salzburg and Munich I would think you'd be ok. 3) No, it's usually overstated. You don't need a money pouch, just keep your wallet in the front pocket of your jeans and don't be a total moron about things and you'll be fine. 4) In general in Europe the earlier you buy tickets for anything - plane and train - the cheaper they are. There are exceptions but yeah buy your tickets ahead of time.
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Also to give you an idea of just how much of a joke those prices on data from the states are, I was in Croatia and bought an unlimited internet SIM card for 80 Kuna, or around $13 USD. I also just bought a SIM card in France to chat with my aunts. 300 minutes, 300 texts and 1GB data for 15 Euro.
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If I buy a SIM in one country, it'll work for all the countries, right?
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Awesome. I'm going to buy a Euro SIM in England (if that's possible) and hand it off to my parents when they go Italy whenever.
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Kind of a niche question here, but I'm moving to London in September and curious where the best casinos for poker are in Europe other than Monaco? I've heard Prague and Vienna have a decent offering, but are there any other notable ones?
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Imaduck posted:If I buy a SIM in one country, it'll work for all the countries, right? Yeah but roaming will be pretty poo poo cost-wise, depending on how long your trip is for you might be better off getting a new sim for each country. My Italian SIM for example did 50m/50SMS/500mb or something like that for 3 Euro a day when roaming.
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EricBauman posted:The small university museums are really cool. There's this one building on Via Francesco Selmi that has the zoological museum at the ground floor, then other stuff upstairs, like more animal skeletons, their preparation workshop and the anthropological museum at the top. It's all free and great in a very cosy amateuristic way. You'll run into students just random drinking coffee among the displays and things like that. These are technically on wikitravel, but wikitravel does a poo poo job of advertising them. Thanks for tip, what a fantastic little city, really enjoyed myself there.
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HookShot posted:Yeah but roaming will be pretty poo poo cost-wise, depending on how long your trip is for you might be better off getting a new sim for each country. Holy poo poo really? Like your Italian sim got you that rate in Slovenia or wherever? I pay $15 for 200 MB when roaming in Europe. ^{%}^ Swisscom but I didn't know anywhere else was much better before 1 July 2017 which can't come fast enough.
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MagicCube posted:Kind of a niche question here, but I'm moving to London in September and curious where the best casinos for poker are in Europe other than Monaco? I've heard Prague and Vienna have a decent offering, but are there any other notable ones? Come to Vienna and teach me how to play poker. Thanks in advance.
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sleepy gary posted:Come to Vienna and teach me how to play poker. Thanks in advance. Just looked up flights from London and they're only around 70 pounds round-trip for a weekend. Definitely one of the reasons I'm looking forward to moving to London. Vienna looks like a good spot for poker since there are a lot of World and European tour stops there. I'll probably look to get out there around October/November.
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I'm a bit unsure about whether to buy currency before I go, or just use my Visa Debit to withdraw cash as I need in the local currency. Does anyone have thoughts either way? This applies to Euro but also other currencies like CZK and HUF which I don't seem to be able to get here.
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The Schwa posted:I'm a bit unsure about whether to buy currency before I go, or just use my Visa Debit to withdraw cash as I need in the local currency. Does anyone have thoughts either way? This applies to Euro but also other currencies like CZK and HUF which I don't seem to be able to get here. Buy enough before you go that you can easily get through whatever you need for the first day or two, and then just use ATMs or pay for things directly with your debit card (or a credit card). Don't overthink it -- it's not that different from being in North America.
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PT6A posted:Buy enough before you go that you can easily get through whatever you need for the first day or two, and then just use ATMs or pay for things directly with your debit card (or a credit card). Don't overthink it -- it's not that different from being in North America. Yeah, I usually buy 50$ worth of local currency before I go on vacation and withdraw the rest from an ATM. ATMs give a better rate but I like having a bit of security.
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flynt posted:Yeah, I usually buy 50$ worth of local currency before I go on vacation and withdraw the rest from an ATM. ATMs give a better rate but I like having a bit of security. Exactly. Also worth noting: make sure to get some small bills and coins, because if you're just looking to have a quick bite and maybe buy a beer or a pack of cigarettes when you arrive, some places might not want to change a 50 or whatever the forex place gives you.
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PT6A posted:Buy enough before you go that you can easily get through whatever you need for the first day or two, and then just use ATMs or pay for things directly with your debit card (or a credit card). Don't overthink it -- it's not that different from being in North America. I'm actually in New Zealand, but thanks! The banks here don't appear to stock the other two currencies (although they have euro of course), because they're classed as 'exotic currency'
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Saladman posted:Holy poo poo really? Like your Italian sim got you that rate in Slovenia or wherever? I pay $15 for 200 MB when roaming in Europe. ^{%}^ Swisscom but I didn't know anywhere else was much better before 1 July 2017 which can't come fast enough. Yeah, at least in Slovenia and France (the only two countries where I had the Vodaphone SIM in) that was the text I got when I crossed the border. The Schwa posted:I'm actually in New Zealand, but thanks! The banks here don't appear to stock the other two currencies (although they have euro of course), because they're classed as 'exotic currency' I actually don't bother getting currency ahead of time, I just use an ATM when I get to Europe. Enough places take visa now that anything super important that you need in the first few hours can be bought on credit most of the time anyway. Also if Czech and Hungary are anything like Croatia everywhere near the border will accept Euros anyway. HookShot fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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The Schwa posted:I'm a bit unsure about whether to buy currency before I go, or just use my Visa Debit to withdraw cash as I need in the local currency. Does anyone have thoughts either way? This applies to Euro but also other currencies like CZK and HUF which I don't seem to be able to get here. I've never taken cash in advance, and I don't think I've ever been to a major airport that's not in a country on a US banking blacklist that didn't have a huge obvious ATM in the airport terminal (except Yaoundé, maybe? Certainly not anywhere in Europe). As a couple other people said, taxi drivers will always accept currency of nearby countries at a reasonably-favorable-to-them exchange rate. Getting €50 in advance would be a good idea if you've never tested your card in Europe before. There's always the small risk that your ATM card doesn't work in [country X] too, although I'm not sure what to do to mitigate that. I remember traveling around Japan with my family several years ago and my bank card was the only one that worked, and several places I've been with my girlfriend her card didn't work, and in Bolivia my card didn't work (6 digit PIN not allowed!). It can sometimes be a hassle to get taxi drivers to accept weird currencies but they inevitably will for Euros/Dollars/closestothermajorcurrency. We had to wait like 10 minutes once in Jordan for the taxi driver to call like 3 people to be convinced that our euros were actually euros and that the exchange rate was correct.
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The bank doesn't seem to be able (or willing) to order them, but based on the reactions in this thread I'm not too worried. I'll buy some EUR and then vibe it the rest of the way. Thanks all!
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HookShot posted:2) I wouldn't do this for Crete or Florence, for Salzburg and Munich I would think you'd be ok. HookShot posted:4) In general in Europe the earlier you buy tickets for anything - plane and train - the cheaper they are. There are exceptions but yeah buy your tickets ahead of time. Imaduck posted:Since we're not 100% sure on what dates we'll be in what city and probably want to keep it flexible, is it reasonable to expect to be able to find hotel rooms when I get there at a decent price? I'm budgeting $50-$150 a night for a reasonable hotel room.
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So if I wake up on a Thursday in Zermatt, and I need to be in Hanover Saturday night for a quick meet up with distant family and a flight home the next day, how would you spend those 48-60 hours getting between those places? Haven't really been anywhere in Germany other than a couple days in Cologne. Traveling with the girlfried and we will have just spent a week hiking through the alps. This will be late July. Options we've come up with so far: Train to Munich, spend Thursday & Friday there, fly to Hanover Saturday morning/afternoon. Train to closest airport, fly to Berlin for Thursday and Friday, train to Hanover Saturday morning. Nowhere in between, just go straight to Hanover. Something involving a rental car and driving up and staying in random places without a real schedule. Car rental prices aren't bad. 600 miles over 3 days is pretty easy driving.
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Palpek posted:No, both Salzburg and Munich will be totally booked in August, they're major toursit destinations. Book everything ahead of time in the summer unless you plan staying in hostels in group rooms or something. Ah cool, thanks for correcting me, I've never been to either but figured that not being on the coast/somewhere deathly hot they might not be as big a draw in the middle of summer
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So, I realize some of this will be easy to answer and some won't, but any and all answers are appreciated. My fiance and I are getting married next year, either in the spring or the fall. Ideally, we'd like to go to Germany for a couple of weeks for the honeymoon. We'd like to hit up a bunch of the cities, see any cool/recommended sites, drink a bunch of beer, eat a bunch of delicious food. If possible, we'd also like to go into Belgium, see more sites, drink more beers, etc. Would it be feasible to do this over the course of let's say 10 days? I'm guessing we can just ride trains everywhere, right? Is there a recommended time of year to visit? I can only imagine that Germany looks amazing in fall, but what's the weather like? Our biggest concern is cost. We're in the States, so I'm sure that airfare will be a huge chunk of the cost. But what about lodging? We don't want to stay at hostels, just regular motels are fine with us, something like a Days Inn, Holiday Inn, etc. Anyone have any idea how much those would run a night? Would it be better to stay a few days in Berlin, then a few in Munich, etc? Are trains terribly expensive? Sorry for the rambling nature. I'm at work and trying to do too many things at once. We really want Germany, but we realize it might not be feasible, so I thought I'd ask. I know pricing is going to vary a lot, but again, any help is appreciated.
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Is there a good run down on how to eat at that Italian restaurant next to the public library in Amsterdam? Last time I was there the guy just handed me a card and pointed upstairs.
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FAT CURES MUSCLES posted:Is there a good run down on how to eat at that Italian restaurant next to the public library in Amsterdam? Last time I was there the guy just handed me a card and pointed upstairs. It's basically an upscale Chipotle with Italian food. You can see the menu here, but basically they have 3-4 stations with different types of food, pizza, pasta, etc, and you go and ask for what you want and hand the guy your card to keep track of what you ordered and then pay when you leave. At least in Amsterdam, and the Netherlands in general, if you have any issues there is a pretty high chance that the server speaks English and probably a near certainty that someone in line does. asur fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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10 Beers posted:So, I realize some of this will be easy to answer and some won't, but any and all answers are appreciated. My fiance and I are getting married next year, either in the spring or the fall. Ideally, we'd like to go to Germany for a couple of weeks for the honeymoon. We'd like to hit up a bunch of the cities, see any cool/recommended sites, drink a bunch of beer, eat a bunch of delicious food. If possible, we'd also like to go into Belgium, see more sites, drink more beers, etc. Would it be feasible to do this over the course of let's say 10 days? I'm guessing we can just ride trains everywhere, right? Is there a recommended time of year to visit? I can only imagine that Germany looks amazing in fall, but what's the weather like? There are several options. One would be city hopping. You could for example start in munich, take a train to dresden and then to berlin then a train to cologne and from there into belgium. However, travel time would seriously cut into your time budget and cities are usually a bit more expensive than staying in a small b&b somewhere in a village. Other options are for example a tour by car along the romantic road (http://www.romanticroadgermany.com/) from Füssen to Würzburg and from there via train to belgium or a trip along the Rhein by car or boat (http://www.romantischer-rhein.de/en/#start) up to Bonn/Cologne. From there it's just a short drive or train trip to Belgium. As far as lodging is concerned there are hostels/hotels and plenty of cheap b&b along the way. Whatever your budget, you should be able to find something suitable there.
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10 Beers posted:So, I realize some of this will be easy to answer and some won't, but any and all answers are appreciated. My fiance and I are getting married next year, either in the spring or the fall. Ideally, we'd like to go to Germany for a couple of weeks for the honeymoon. We'd like to hit up a bunch of the cities, see any cool/recommended sites, drink a bunch of beer, eat a bunch of delicious food. If possible, we'd also like to go into Belgium, see more sites, drink more beers, etc. Would it be feasible to do this over the course of let's say 10 days? I'm guessing we can just ride trains everywhere, right? Is there a recommended time of year to visit? I can only imagine that Germany looks amazing in fall, but what's the weather like? If cost is the biggest concern and since you have a while, I would consider getting a credit card signup bonus or two, but only if you are comfortable doing that. In most of Europe you can find cheap B&Bs and guest houses, and often nice hostels with private rooms that aren't party hostels. Take a look on booking.com at some of the cities you are interested in, they have a good selection of cheap but highly rated places and you can get an idea of what it would cost. In my experience most of the Holiday Inns in Europe are near the airports which makes them a bad choice/ It sounds like you have just started planning because a lot of your questions would be answered by reading the basics from the travel sites. So I would suggest checking out rick steves, frommers and fodors pages about germany and googling germany itineraries to start. That way you can get an idea of what cities you would want to visit. Then you can easily find how much train tickets are and how much budget lodging would cost you.
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asur posted:It's basically an upscale Chipotle with Italian food. You can see the menu here, but basically they have 3-4 stations with different types of food, pizza, pasta, etc, and you go and ask for what you want and hand the guy your card to keep track of what you ordered and then pay when you leave. There are two things I don't like about Vapiano: 1) the food was too fatty/oily 2) it seems to be impossible to actually eat together if one person has pasta and another has pizza. You order the pasta at the counter and wait right there until they finish; you also order the pizza, but you then get a buzzer that you can take back to your table, notifying you when your pizza is done. This means you have the option of letting the pasta get cold while you wait for the pizza to show up, or you get to watch somebody eat their pasta while you wait for your pizza.
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Are Zurich and Frankfurt worth visiting for several days? I live in Belgium and want to visit Munich, Strassbourg and two other cities this summer using the interrail pass. Looking at google maps Frankfurt and Zurich seem logical choices and I can find quite a bit of tourist information about them, but I'm not sure they're the best cities I could choose. In Munich and Strassbourg I'd be meeting with friends, but the other two cities I'd visit alone. My preferences: I like nice architecture, cosy/unique city centres and historical museums/castles/churches. Big pedestrian zones are a huge plus, as is being bike-friendly. I don't care too much about parties/nightlife. Being able to go hiking for a day would actually be really nice, so I'm considering Freiburg as well. Current idea: using the 5 days travel in 15 days interrail pass: 1 August: Belgium -> Frankfurt (maybe visiting Cologne on route?) 4 August: Frankfurt -> Munich (maybe visiting out Nurenberg on route?) 9 August: Munich -> Zurich 12 August: Zurich -> Strassbourg (maybe visiting out Basel on route?) 15 August: Strassbourg -> Belgium Strassbourg should be the last city I do before going to Belgium, but the order of the other 3 doesn't really matter. I'd prefer if travel time on train was less than 6 hours each time (without using trains which require a reservation fee). Another alternative could be to take a flight first before doing my 5 days of travel (in which case I can do 3 cities + Munich + Strassbourg), but I'd like to keep my travel budget below 1000 euro (interrail is 200 euro, I'd sleep in hostels).
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Walh Hara posted:My preferences: I like nice architecture, cosy/unique city centres and historical museums/castles/churches. Big pedestrian zones are a huge plus, as is being bike-friendly. I don't care too much about parties/nightlife. Being able to go hiking for a day would actually be really nice, so I'm considering Freiburg as well. I've never been to germany but your preferences align almost perfectly with Rick Steves'. I'm sure someone else can help you more, but I just thought I would mention his site if you haven't checked it out. https://www.ricksteves.com/europe/germany https://www.ricksteves.com/europe/germany/itinerary
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This is probably out of scope, but with the Brexit vote next week, I wonder if that'll have an effect on the pound and euro and if it'll be advantageous for a US traveler or not.
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skooma512 posted:This is probably out of scope, but with the Brexit vote next week, I wonder if that'll have an effect on the pound and euro and if it'll be advantageous for a US traveler or not. Yes, it will have some effect. However, unless you know which way the vote is going to go, and how people react to that, it's basically a pure crapshoot as to how it will advantage or disadvantage travellers from outside Europe.
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Walh Hara posted:Are Zurich and Frankfurt worth visiting for several days? I live in Belgium and want to visit Munich, Strassbourg and two other cities this summer using the interrail pass. Looking at google maps Frankfurt and Zurich seem logical choices and I can find quite a bit of tourist information about them, but I'm not sure they're the best cities I could choose. In Munich and Strassbourg I'd be meeting with friends, but the other two cities I'd visit alone. Frankfurt has none of that, it is an utterly boring banking city. You can go up one of the highrise buildings to view the other highrise bank buildings but that's about it. Visit nearby Mainz or Heidelberg instead, or if you want something near the Black Forest, Tuebingen or Freiburg. Zurich is nice enough, just really expensive! And I'm not sure if there is enough to do for 3 days.
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Walh Hara posted:My preferences: I like nice architecture, cosy/unique city centres and historical museums/castles/churches. Big pedestrian zones are a huge plus, as is being bike-friendly. I don't care too much about parties/nightlife. Being able to go hiking for a day would actually be really nice, so I'm considering Freiburg as well. I would consider Freiburg for this, rather than Frankfurt. Freiburg doesn't have a whole lot to offer in terms of museums or castles, but the city centre is cosy, the Münster really rather pretty and it's easy to go for a walk or hike from there. In terms of architecture, the Vauban suburb of Freiburg is quite interesting if you care about eco housing, but Freiburg isn't otherwise a hotspot of modern architecture by any stretch (not perhaps counting the new university library, which I haven't seen in person yet, either). Freiburg is absolutely a bike-friendly place, but it's also comparatively small, which means there is a limited amount of things to do. Frankfurt is a bit of a polar opposite in many ways. The formerly extensively medieval city centre, thanks to being reduced to rubble during WWII, was never recreated like that, so while the pedestrian zone is quite big, it's neither particularly unique nor cozy. On the other hand, Frankfurt has a bunch of really quite good museums, and since you get the skyscrapers, you get a decidedly more modern look. Depending on what kind of architecture you like (beyond "pretty buildings"), there are quite a few buildings and developments by Ernst May and the "New Frankfurt" movement still around. Depending on what you would like to do, however, the city is not always ideal for biking, though you can ride along the river separated from traffic, which is really quite nice. There probably isn't an easy answer to this, and the choice between the two places strongly depends on what you like best. I suspect this is especially true since "cosy/unique" and "nice architecture" are not that easy to find right next to one another (though this strongly depends on your definition of architecture and what you like, of course). edit: Sorry, I keep forgetting that the cool thing to do in here is to outright dismiss Frankfurt because it is absolutely loving terrible. So, obviously, any other city is obviously better, no matter what you are looking for. Always! 
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Zurich is nice, but unfortunately you'd just be missing Switzerland's national day (1 Aug) and Zurich Street Parade (13 of August). Street parade is an utter shitshow, with more people coming to it than live in the city (~1 million attendees in city of similar size). I imagine everything is already booked out if you wanted to come then anyway, so you'd have to camp somewhere or pay €500 for a hotel room in Baur au Lac--and maybe even that sells out. Switzerland's cities are nice but they don't really warrant the outrageous prices unless you have plenty of money to spend, or unless there's something particular going on, like Fasnacht. AFAIK nothing is going on the dates you have in mind. Which is too bad because that week is like literally the only week between 1 July and 15 August where there's nothing going on. You could spend like 1 day in ZH, 1 day in Basel, 1 day hiking around Luzern? Train prices are absolutely murderous in Switzerland, even worse than the outrageous hostel prices, so YMMV. Hostels in Switzerland will also book out quite a ways in advance because there's very low supply, but getting a regular 2* room for €120 or so is pretty easy unless there's some special event going on.
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Thanks for the advice all! Really appreciate it. I've actually been to Tuebingen already, it was really awesome and indeed the kind of city I've been looking for. In Germany I've also been in Aken (which was boring in Februari) and Bonn (which I didn't like much and seemed too industrial). It's true that "nice architecture" and "cozy city centre" are often not found together, but I consider things like Bruge's or Ghent's old buildings/belforts/castle's as nice architecture as well. As a comparison, I liked Utrecht and Delft more than Rotterdam (Amsterdam was okay), so I'm starting to think Frankfurt would not be the best idea. edit: obviously the architecture in Rotterdam was crazy awesome and very much worth the visit, but it lacked the charm of those other Dutch cities. Thinking about it more, I could take a continuous 15 days interrail pass instead of a "pick 5 days out of 15" one as well. I would be able to visit much more cities and have an easier time of going to the countryside to go hiking. Plus I just like the idea of having so much flexibility, although I've never done a trip before where I didn't book all my accomodation beforehand. It's more expensive though, so it's a trade off. Basically, I'm considering three options: - "pick 5 days out of 15" interrail, so chose 2 cities and hope for the best, but have an extra 10 euro/day to spent on food/accomodation/museums/etc (basically 60 euro/day instead of 50, including price hostel). My main concern is of running out of things to do/see. I've noticed it's much more important to be in an interesting city and have things to do in it when you're travelling alone as compaired to when you're in a group. - 15 days continuous interrail, visit a lot of cities and have a lot of flexibility. Since I have more days in which I can travel it would be easier to travel to cities further away and to smaller (less expensive, less touristic) cities. - Take a flight to, for example, Budapest so I can visit Budapest, Vienna and one other city around (Lubljana? Prague? Bratislava? Innsbruck?) before going via train to Munich and Strassbourg. Walh Hara fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Was there a Dublin/Ireland guide/post? You could try posting in the Ireland LAN thread but it's not very active and seems to be mostly about breakfast and wrestling. I'm moving to Ireland myself in October but largely without goon assistance 
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It is quite possible to search the thread. There was a bit of Ireland discussion around page 169: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3318901&pagenumber=169&perpage=40#post445202209
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Walh Hara posted:Thanks for the advice all! Really appreciate it. I've actually been to Tuebingen already, it was really awesome and indeed the kind of city I've been looking for. In Germany I've also been in Aken (which was boring in Februari) and Bonn (which I didn't like much and seemed too industrial). It's true that "nice architecture" and "cozy city centre" are often not found together, but I consider things like Bruge's or Ghent's old buildings/belforts/castle's as nice architecture as well. As a comparison, I liked Utrecht and Delft more than Rotterdam (Amsterdam was okay), so I'm starting to think Frankfurt would not be the best idea. edit: obviously the architecture in Rotterdam was crazy awesome and very much worth the visit, but it lacked the charm of those other Dutch cities. If you end up doing the continuous interrail, you might add Bern and/or Basel to your itinerary. Neither one is really worth more than a day but Bern has an extremely picturesque UNESCO city centre and is close to good places for day hikes in the Berner Oberland. Zurich and Basel have nicer museums and each have a decent old town too but none of them are really major destinations in their own right. And like Saladman said, they're all really expensive!
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