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Kurtofan posted:what happened to the stone It was squirreled away in a warehouse somewhere for about 6 months and then quietly broken up into gravel so that souvenir hunters couldn't get hold of anything recognisable. I never heard what happened after that.
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May 3, 2017 14:40
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Just tried looking up the history of the various communist parties in Great Britain and  More factions than the IRA
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May 3, 2017 14:42
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This wont cause any problems https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/859690404484087808
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May 3, 2017 14:42
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I didn't know that Andy Burnham had changed his name.
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May 3, 2017 14:46
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Breath Ray posted:The tailor I use favours braces and I can see why. The perfect fit would be fairly snug and uncomfortable if you put on a bit of weight over the summer for instance. I think belts could become the new sitting down in terms of health scares. It can't be good for us. who puts weight on over the summer?
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May 3, 2017 14:50
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JFairfax posted:who puts weight on over the summer? I did Tbf that did involve a lot of staying indoors since the entire day averaged out to ~30-35c at 100% humidity. Ice cream and video games.
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May 3, 2017 14:53
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I don't know if any of you have tried to close a 'deal' as a business person, but let me tell you if one party thinks the sum should be £0, zero, zilch nothing and the other party believes it should be £XX,000 or higher then it's very difficult to meet in the middle. The British government so far are disagreeing that there is anything to pay at all for leaving the EU, not 'oh we need to agree on the amount' - they disagree that there is any amount to pay at all. That is not a good starting point for a negotiation.
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May 3, 2017 14:53
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bessantj posted:Being unemployed I find that I am doing more gardening and I don't think the belt is helping so this sounds great. Where do you get your from and do they have sizes or is it more of a one size fits all type thing?
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May 3, 2017 14:54
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wearing a belt with jeans or nice dickies work trousers can be quite helpful for carrying things when doing manual labour not that this thread seems to have much experience with physical work
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May 3, 2017 14:58
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JFairfax posted:wearing a belt with jeans or nice dickies work trousers can be quite helpful for carrying things when doing manual labour I once wore too tight polyester trousers on a 13 hours hospital portering shift, I chapped my thighs so bad they bled
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May 3, 2017 14:57
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Zephro posted:Just do your gardening in salopettes? Hmmmm, maybe I will.
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May 3, 2017 15:02
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JFairfax posted:I don't know if any of you have tried to close a 'deal' as a business person, but let me tell you if one party thinks the sum should be £0, zero, zilch nothing and the other party believes it should be £XX,000 or higher then it's very difficult to meet in the middle. Thanks for the business insight Donald but this is clearly all just posturing from both sides.
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May 3, 2017 15:08
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LemonyTang posted:"Polls tied" Bear in mind this would translate to Labour being about 7 points behind in today's polls.
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May 3, 2017 15:10
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bessantj posted:Hmmmm, maybe I will. Free yourself of the oppression trouser regime and do your gardening wearing a liberating utilikilt.
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May 3, 2017 15:10
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big scary monsters posted:Free yourself of the oppression trouser regime and do your gardening wearing a liberating utilikilt. I don't think I could stand the cultural appropriation I would be perpetrating.
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May 3, 2017 15:13
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Pissflaps posted:Thanks for the business insight Donald but this is clearly all just posturing from both sides. well the Tories are going to look pretty loving stupid when the UK has to pay a few (tens of?) billion quid then aren't they. there's a difference between posturing over an amount and stating publically that you don't have to pay a drat thing. it just shows that these negotiations - which lest we forget have to be conducted within two years - are going to be a poo poo show.
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May 3, 2017 15:15
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JFairfax posted:well the Tories are going to look pretty loving stupid when the UK has to pay a few (tens of?) billion quid then aren't they. Not really they'll just emphasise what we get back in return.
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May 3, 2017 15:17
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we're getting nothing back in return, these are the spending commitments that we've already committed to and that the EU has budgeted for. if we do not pay them, the EU either has to cut its spending or the member nations have to pick up the tab.
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May 3, 2017 15:17
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MikeCrotch posted:Just tried looking up the history of the various communist parties in Great Britain and There is nothing that the far left does better than split over seemingly pointless doctrinal or organisational points (which might matter if the left was to take power but until then seems utterly futile). Lenin obviously has a lot of blame to take on that front, though clearly that dumb attitude predated him and the RSDRP split and is ingrained in Marxism really. It's not at all helpful. ronya posted:my entirely anecdotal impression is that the Western left news coverage of Venezuela was thawing for a bit, and then immediately froze over again after the narrow Ecuador election It is a bit weird that we end up so fixated on the Latin American left. Probably something to do with Cuba, and the general idea of it being fun to have leftist regimes in the backyard of the Yanks, because history proves that few things annoy them more, & there's nothing that particularly part of the left love more than poo poo that annoys America, whether it's good or not. As for Kerala or West Bengal, it's hard for people to remember that a state like Kerala has a higher population than all but 9 European countries. West Bengal has a population higher than all of Europe except Russia. So it just gets ignored as regional politics rather than national. Plus I think generally we Brits are pretty bad at understanding federations and just how much independence states have within them.
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May 3, 2017 15:18
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JFairfax posted:we're getting nothing back in return, these are the spending commitments that we've already committed to and that the EU has budgeted for. Yes we are what do you think the money we send to the EU is for?
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May 3, 2017 15:18
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bessantj posted:I don't think I could stand the cultural appropriation I would be perpetrating. You're a goon, you can't appropriate from a cultural group you are a part of. The utilikilt is yours!
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May 3, 2017 15:19
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Pissflaps posted:Yes we are what do you think the money we send to the EU is for? we wont get anything back from the EU once we leave, especially if we've not paid our tab. I've heard nothing from the Tories along the lines of 'we'll agree a figure to pay and ensure that we continue to receive funding for EU programs we are a part of that have committed spending beyond our leaving the EU' Why would we receive EU funding for things once we've left? Unless we agree this as part of negotiations, but I've heard nothing from the Tories along these lines.
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May 3, 2017 15:21
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JFairfax posted:we wont get anything back from the EU once we leave, especially if we've not paid our tab. This £x billion bill represents how much the EU still thinks we're committed to spending. This money didn't just disappear down a black hole, it's used to fund EU spending - which the UK benefits from. The alternative view is that we pay nothing and receive nothing back. It's not a credit card debt. It's more like trying to cancel a mobile phone contract early.
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May 3, 2017 15:25
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It is used for EU funding that has already been costed and accounted for by the other member states, if we decide to not pay what we have committed, the other states either have to cut back on this spending or fund it themselves. They will not be happy to do either. The point is less about the absolute correct details of this funding and more the spirit of it. The way the Tories are going about this so far seems to be the least constructive way possible. If we stiff the EU member states to the tune of billions of € or £ then are they really going to want to cut us favourable trade deals?
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May 3, 2017 15:29
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forkboy84 posted:There is nothing that the far left does better than split over seemingly pointless doctrinal or organisational points (which might matter if the left was to take power but until then seems utterly futile). Lenin obviously has a lot of blame to take on that front, though clearly that dumb attitude predated him and the RSDRP split and is ingrained in Marxism really. It's not at all helpful. I'm well aware of this just the reality when i'm confronted with it still boggles my mind
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May 3, 2017 15:30
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Thats why instead of people being 'stiffed' a compromise will be found between the two positions of 'wanting to be paid lots' and 'wanting to pay nothing'.
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May 3, 2017 15:33
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Also the comments of Junker et al with the May dinner demonstrate this, so far the EU does not think the UK has got real about the consequences of leaving and the complexities of the negotiations which have a hard deadline to be completed.
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May 3, 2017 15:31
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Pissflaps posted:Thats why instead of people being 'stiffed' a compromise will be found between the two positions of 'wanting to be paid lots' and 'wanting to pay nothing'. alternatively, it wont, we'll pay nothing and we'll get put on WTO tarrifs when we leave the EU without a deal because the Tories will repeat 'No Deal is Better than a Bad Dead' ad nauseum
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May 3, 2017 15:32
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ITV have provisionally scheduled a leaders debate for 18th May. No word from them on what they will do if May and Corbyn don't take part, but it's been suggested they would go ahead with just Farron et. al. Hopefully at least a date being set will encourage Labour to keep repeating the 'May is afraid of debating Corbyn' lines.
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May 3, 2017 15:34
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Pissflaps posted:This £x billion bill represents how much the EU still thinks we're committed to spending. This money didn't just disappear down a black hole, it's used to fund EU spending - which the UK benefits from. I'm afraid that's not necessarily how it works in practice - some of the outstanding amount is for things we've already benefited from: http://bruegel.org/2017/03/the-uks-brexit-bill-what-are-the-possible-liabilities/ http://bruegel.org/2017/03/the-uks-brexit-bill-what-are-the-possible-liabilities/ posted:EU budgeting operates through a combination of a seven-year budget plan (the MFF) and annual budgets. These budgets list the EU’s various planned expenditures. However, both the seven-year and the annual budgets include two indicators for each expenditure: a commitment, or confirmation that the budget allocation is approved, and a payment, or disbursement of money. The two do not need to fall in the same year. Indeed, only a part of the commitments made in a particular year is actually paid in that year. The payment of the rest is deferred for payment from subsequent annual budgets. If the UK are exerting proper financial management they'll be accruing for payments as they go, but these costs will only exist on paper until actual payment is settled.
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May 3, 2017 15:35
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JFairfax posted:alternatively, it wont, we'll pay nothing and we'll get put on WTO tarrifs when we leave the EU without a deal because the Tories will repeat 'No Deal is Better than a Bad Dead' ad nauseum Well yes that's certainly possible.
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May 3, 2017 15:34
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Party Boat posted:I'm afraid that's not necessarily how it works in practice - some of the outstanding amount is for things we've already benefited from: ...and some of it isn't. jabby posted:ITV have provisionally scheduled a leaders debate for 18th May. I think Corbyn has already said he won't do it without May. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 15:39 on May 3, 2017 |
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May 3, 2017 15:36
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Pissflaps posted:...and some of it isn't. Yes, but it does mean the view of "we pay nothing, and receive nothing back" is invalid because we've already received something.
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May 3, 2017 15:41
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How much is the UK contribution to the EU budget? Think it's 9bn/year. The claim of a 100bn settlement is pretty extreme. The entire EC budget is only 140bn a year. Very difficult for Juncker to justify those figures.
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May 3, 2017 15:41
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JFairfax posted:Tories will repeat 'No Deal is Better than a Bad Dead' ad nauseum
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May 3, 2017 15:42
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Party Boat posted:Yes, but it does mean the view of "we pay nothing, and receive nothing back" is invalid because we've already received something. It's not invalid if that applies to only some of the funding and we did, in fact, receive something for it in the first place. When did everyone turn into a Kipper? There is value in the money we send to the EU. Right now it's not something the Tories want to emphasise. In a couple of years when they're justifying whatever payments we agree with the EU? It's suddenly part of a 'great deal'.
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May 3, 2017 15:45
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May 3, 2017 15:44
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knox_harrington posted:How much is the UK contribution to the EU budget? Think it's 9bn/year. The claim of a 100bn settlement is pretty extreme. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35943216 Gross payment of about £18bn in 2015, if it's a five year budget that we've agreed to you're up to nearly £100bn gross quickly.
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May 3, 2017 15:45
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https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/may/03/how-do-britains-highest-earners-feel-about-their-income “Due to the vast absolute difference among the 1%, top income earners experience ‘relative disadvantage’,” the report, A Relational Analysis of Top Incomes and Wealth, states. “They are disadvantaged compared to others at the top, while being aware of their advantage compared to the general population.” A senior investment banker, who earns hundreds of thousands of pounds a year, said he “just doesn’t feel particularly wealthy” compared with other parents at his children’s private school who, he said, were sitting on £100m-plus family fortunes. “I feel like I’m fairly well off and I earn multiples of the hundred thousands,” the banker told a researcher from the LSE’s International Inequalities Institute. “But I feel very poor in the context of the classmates [of my children] ... Their parents can spend a lot more time with them, because none of them really work, or some of them work but it’s working on their own terms: they might run a hedge fund but they can take the kids to school. The unnamed investment banker said earning a few hundred thousand “does not feel that great”. The investment banker said £100m was a lot of money – but “not a ridiculous amount of money”. He told the researcher he was “fairly confident” that a driven and passionate individual could “start from zero and get to £100m within 20 years”. Boohoo the poor 1% and their relative disadvantage
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