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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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I don't think so. I think they are going to stick to him no matter what. Even if he's a dead man walking they will not cleave themselves from him.
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mcmagic posted:Pat Robertson and every single one of his fans is going to vote for Trump in November. A little mild criticism is meaningless. It's important to remember that conservatism is all about how you react to negative stimulus. If your reaction is "oh that's bad, very bad, truly" but nothing about your actual behaviour changes, you don't try to push for any actual action, and you don't think there's any way that the bad thing might stop happening, you're a conservative. And conservatives never change how they vote.
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Jun 3, 2020 06:09
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mcmagic posted:Pat Robertson and every single one of his fans is going to vote for Trump in November. A little mild criticism is meaningless. the significance isnt in how pat robertson votes (he might not even be alive in november - he is looking increasingly frail every day) its how this functions as a signal to more moderate elements of the evangelical bloc or even non-evangelical christian republicans. 2016 trump was able to paper over his scorn for christianity with a pastiche of religious leaders to an extent that a legitimate christian conservative suburban voter (they do exist) was able to say "hm, maybe!". teargassing priests on the steps of their church to the point that an actual catholic archbishop condemns you -- which is basically unheard of! - makes that choice much harder. and the game isn't "convince every christian voter", its convince 1% of them.
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Jun 3, 2020 06:12
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:the significance isnt in how pat robertson votes (he might not even be alive in november - he is looking increasingly frail every day) its how this functions as a signal to more moderate elements of the evangelical bloc or even non-evangelical christian republicans. 2016 trump was able to paper over his scorn for christianity with a pastiche of religious leaders to an extent that a legitimate christian conservative suburban voter (they do exist) was able to say "hm, maybe!". teargassing priests on the steps of their church to the point that an actual catholic archbishop condemns you -- which is basically unheard of! - makes that choice much harder. and the game isn't "convince every christian voter", its convince 1% of them. historically, trusting Pat Robertson to save you has a pretty poor track record. I'd advise finding something better to pin your hopes on than the hope that finally, finally, Christian conservatives decide republicans don't really love Jesus. it worked poorly in 2016.
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Jun 3, 2020 06:18
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:Probably yeah, dems need to be replaced no matter who wins. SgtSteel91 posted:I'll let you know by the end of the day; it's Primary election day in MD So at the moment, in my District with 43% of the votes reported the incumbent lovely dem is winning 79/21
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Jun 3, 2020 06:23
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intepreting the current protests as a result of stuff specific to trump is, i think, severely underestimating the dysfunction of the american political system at the moment - the fed is still running with the greenspan toolbox as crisis response, much like they did under obama, and opposition to helicopter money seems surprisingly bipartisan outside of a relatively few voices on the democratic left. policing has been broken for even longer than crisis response, and it's notably something that obama totally failed to address during his time in office. it's hard to see how you avoid this level of desperation under e.g. a hillary presidency
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Jun 3, 2020 07:56
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mcmagic posted:Pat Robertson and every single one of his fans is going to vote for Trump in November. A little mild criticism is meaningless. It's notable as a bellwether. Pat and co. absolutely will be voting for Trump, but it matters they'd condemn him at all. Remember, Robertson's tack is a grift predicated on telling people what they want to hear and affirming that Jesus approves of their preconceived notions and the behaviors that directly derive from it (except for the one evil behavior, not giving money to Pat Robertson).
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Jun 3, 2020 08:26
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Pick posted:It's notable as a bellwether. Pat and co. absolutely will be voting for Trump, but it matters they'd condemn him at all. Remember, Robertson's tack is a grift predicated on telling people what they want to hear and affirming that Jesus approves of their preconceived notions and the behaviors that directly derive from it (except for the one evil behavior, not giving money to Pat Robertson). Pat Robertson is going to make a big show of God forgiving Trump at some point before the election, at which point he'll implore everyone who also doubted Trump's actions to follow God's example, and forgive/vote for him. This is a calculated ploy to get people who feel squeamish about all the violence the cops are putting out to stick with Robertson and come back to Trump in the end. You're trying to take a moral away from a story that's only in it's second act, and that only works if you realize that the second act is not the finale.
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Jun 3, 2020 08:31
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American evangelicals have been playing the long game for decades, and actually understand the dynamics of power and popular perception. This makes them almost unique in American politics. Everything they profess to believe is just ad copy and propaganda devices, and they know it. It's not just grift, it's a well developed tactical kit.
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Jun 3, 2020 08:37
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https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1268052818637860865?s=21 Words can’t really express how contemptible this is.
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Jun 3, 2020 09:15
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rko posted:https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1268052818637860865?s=21 Yeaaaaaaaah probably not a good idea to turn Floyd's funeral into a staged PR event. Comes across as ghoulish. I suppose if the family, unprompted, invited Biden, that's maybe different, but it would be the sort of thing where you don't want to bring a bunch of cameras and media.
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Jun 3, 2020 09:31
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The general pattern is trump being vile then Biden doing something that wipes out his lead. This has the potential to be a doozy.
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Jun 3, 2020 09:50
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E: ^^^ it won’t be as bad as it could be, because Biden remains quite good at the kind of personal interactions that Trump has never been able to do. Trump has a long string of incredibly embarrassing moments where he demonstrates his inability to act like a normal human being for even one second; Biden will at least avoid making news by pissing off the people he’s supposed to be comforting. Wicked Them Beats posted:I suppose if the family, unprompted, invited Biden, that's maybe different, but it would be the sort of thing where you don't want to bring a bunch of cameras and media. Even if the family invited him, going would be wrong, and there would be no way his presence wouldn’t massively overshadow the funeral. The campaign would be better served by suggesting a separate memorial and working with various other organizers to arrange for prominent people of color to speak, and even then, he would do well to minimize his role instead of delivering any political speeches. Frankly, given the last two big public events he had included telling black people that their identity was contingent on supporting him and that cops should be trying to shoot to maim instead of murdering people, minimizing his role in the campaign is overall their best move. Awesome election. Two old men, hiding in their basements from the world they created, and one will be president next year. rko fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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Jun 3, 2020 09:53
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rko posted:https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1268052818637860865?s=21 Cornpop was a mutual acquaintance 
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Jun 3, 2020 10:27
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https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/1268032803100332034
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Jun 3, 2020 11:19
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Been waiting for someone to quote that speech of his in an ad https://twitter.com/SarahLongwell25/status/1267969680830091266
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Jun 3, 2020 11:34
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this is biden's probably biggest strength as a politician imo - he's able to show what seems to be genuine earnestness when talking about issues that impact people, and seems like a mostly pretty chill and empathetic guy the trouble is that he's got a pretty vicious temper, which can serve to make him more relatable in some circumstances but which can also lead to completely bizarre situations like the charlamagne fiasco where he goes off in response to what is objectively pretty reasonable questioning
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Jun 3, 2020 11:43
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1267926493927297026 It's hard to say anything more than what is already said here about how genuine Biden's 'left outreach' is, if these vermin are forming behind him.
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Jun 3, 2020 14:14
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StratGoatCom posted:https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1267926493927297026 It really doesn't say anything about Biden, it says something about Trump.
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Jun 3, 2020 14:26
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Jarmak posted:It really doesn't say anything about Biden, it says something about Trump. it also says quite a bit about biden
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Jun 3, 2020 14:28
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Jarmak posted:It really doesn't say anything about Biden, it says something about Trump. You think Never Trumpers would have made a pro-Bernie super PAC?
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Jun 3, 2020 14:31
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KVeezy3 posted:You think Never Trumpers would have made a pro-Bernie super PAC? After the last two months? Absolutely
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Jun 3, 2020 14:32
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Jarmak posted:After the last two months? Absolutely that's stupid sanders is miles further from the frum set than trump is, and a much greater threat to the interests they represent than trump is
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Jun 3, 2020 14:35
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Jarmak posted:After the last two months? Absolutely This isn't some alliance, this an attempt by republicans to further the rightwing degeneration of the dems. Nevertrumpers don't object to what Trump does, they object to his cultural signaling.
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Jun 3, 2020 14:35
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Jarmak posted:After the last two months? Absolutely this is straight up delusional. they're ok with Biden because he's a social and fiscal conservative who won't upset the status quo. edit: Biden's record and Bush's are pretty similar overall tbh
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Jun 3, 2020 14:36
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Jarmak posted:After the last two months? Absolutely Yeah, I disagree strongly about that. Never Trumpers were pounding out anti-Bernie op eds until their fingers bled, and boosting Biden even when it seemed like he was totally dead in the water. I’d say it’s more of a reflection on Trump than Biden, but “just any Democrat” and certainly Bernie would not have been acceptable to them, and they would’ve just whined and boosted the lolbertarian or begged McMuffin to run again. But given how fast things have deteriorated, maybe some would’ve supported Bernie. That would’ve been quite a sight.
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Jun 3, 2020 14:37
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All that welcoming nevertrumpers in will achieve is locking out the poor and less 'photogenic' minorities, such as trans folks or black folks. Always remember, the only reason nevertrumpers hate him is that he signals wrong for them. Which is probably why the dems are gonna do it, because it means they can get away with doing even less hard stuff.
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Jun 3, 2020 14:43
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StratGoatCom posted:This isn't some alliance, this an attempt by republicans to further the rightwing degeneration of the dems. Nevertrumpers don't object to what Trump does, they object to his cultural signaling. Mellow Seas posted:Yeah, I disagree strongly about that. Never Trumpers were pounding out anti-Bernie op eds until their fingers bled, and boosting Biden even when it seemed like he was totally dead in the water. I’d say it’s more of a reflection on Trump than Biden, but “just any Democrat” and certainly Bernie would not have been acceptable to them, and they would’ve just whined and boosted the lolbertarian or begged McMuffin to run again. Oh I don't disagree they would vastly prefer Biden over Bernie and worked to that end during the primaries, that should be obvious. The Lincoln Project people are folks playing the long game; I think they're operating from the perspective that Trump is an existential threat to the country (which he is). Bernie wasn't going to deliver full communism now even if the dems took the senate, there's just not enough support for anything overly radical in congress. I think they would have made the correct (from their perspective) analysis that tax rates can always be cut if they get power back and another New Deal is preferable to total collapse. punishedkissinger posted:this is straight up delusional. V. Illych L. posted:that's stupid This is straight projection all the way down. edit: before the last few months I would have thought it a coin flip
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Jun 3, 2020 14:55
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Jarmak posted:Oh I don't disagree they would vastly prefer Biden over Bernie and worked to that end during the primaries, that should be obvious. The Lincoln Project people are folks playing the long game; I think they're operating from the perspective that Trump is an existential threat to the country (which he is). Bernie wasn't going to deliver full communism now even if the dems took the senate, there's just not enough support for anything overly radical in congress. I think they would have made the correct (from their perspective) analysis that tax rates can always be cut if they get power back and another New Deal is preferable to total collapse. I bet you thought impeachment was slam dunk too
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Jun 3, 2020 15:00
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punishedkissinger posted:I bet you thought impeachment was slam dunk too Donald Trump was impeached  .They also got the first and only Senate vote in favor of impeachment from a member of the opposing party in American history.
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Jun 3, 2020 15:08
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Pick posted:Donald Trump was impeached What an incredible success
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Jun 3, 2020 15:14
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Jarmak posted:Oh I don't disagree they would vastly prefer Biden over Bernie and worked to that end during the primaries, that should be obvious. The Lincoln Project people are folks playing the long game; I think they're operating from the perspective that Trump is an existential threat to the country (which he is). Bernie wasn't going to deliver full communism now even if the dems took the senate, there's just not enough support for anything overly radical in congress. I think they would have made the correct (from their perspective) analysis that tax rates can always be cut if they get power back and another New Deal is preferable to total collapse. who stands to lose/gain what from a sanders presidency? who stands to lose/gain what from a trump presidency? who stands to lose/gain what from a biden presidency? now bring this analysis over to the bush/trump divide. you'll find a great many security state/neocon civil society types among the nevertrumpers, and they're legitimately closer to the biden branch of the democratic party - remember that biden's a massive hawk - than they are to trump, whose lack of any coherent policy direction is not in their interest at all. they are *quite a lot* further from sanders, a noted dove, than they are from trump's haphazard idiocy
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Jun 3, 2020 15:17
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V. Illych L. posted:who stands to lose/gain what from a sanders presidency? who stands to lose/gain what from a trump presidency? who stands to lose/gain what from a biden presidency? The dems need to be doing more to reach out to warhawks from all sides of the aisle.
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Jun 3, 2020 15:18
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punishedkissinger posted:What an incredible success Yes it was. Anyone who thought Trump ever had a chance of getting convicted wasn't paying attention. Impeachment wasn't about removing Trump, it was about making it clear to the public that he was guilty and should be removed before the GOP inevitably acquitted him. I never expected one of them to break ranks and validate that so heavily.
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Jun 3, 2020 15:18
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e: I literally can’t believe people are defending the impeachment. Yes, ideally, it would’ve dragged all of Trump’s scandals through the news again and made Republicans look awful. Instead, Pelosi focused it super tightly on the loving dumb Ukraine scandal. As a result, I think the primary result of impeachment is making sure everyone knows that Joe Biden’s family is corrupt as hell and changed literally zero minds about Trump. Jarmak posted:Oh I don't disagree they would vastly prefer Biden over Bernie and worked to that end during the primaries, that should be obvious. The Lincoln Project people are folks playing the long game; I think they're operating from the perspective that Trump is an existential threat to the country (which he is). Bernie wasn't going to deliver full communism now even if the dems took the senate, there's just not enough support for anything overly radical in congress. I think they would have made the correct (from their perspective) analysis that tax rates can always be cut if they get power back and another New Deal is preferable to total collapse. This seems to be very wishful thinking. Do you think Bernie Sanders would be reacting like Joe Biden is to the present protest movement? Can you imagine how it might be different in a country where Sanders was ascendant? What demands he might feel comfortable making in the context of nationwide street protests and police brutality? And if he was strongly associated with a resurgent movement in the streets, the actual revolution he was talking about made manifest, you think David Frum et al. would be comfortable with this? It’s a boring counterfactual in any case. The Democrats are clearly very much more interested in catering to the Never Trump crowd, and I’ve been told numerous times in this thread that it’s a strategy that’s guaranteed to work based on the 2018 results. So good luck to the Biden campaign! rko fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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Jun 3, 2020 15:19
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Jarmak posted:Yes it was. his approval rating literally rose during impeachment. it was an abject failure on every single level.
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Jun 3, 2020 15:20
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Pick posted:Donald Trump was impeached A lot of people are under a lot of misconceptions about impeachment, it's an easy mistake for someone not in the know to make.
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Jun 3, 2020 15:21
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V. Illych L. posted:who stands to lose/gain what from a sanders presidency? who stands to lose/gain what from a trump presidency? who stands to lose/gain what from a biden presidency? Right, Trump as president is a visible stain on U.S.'s reputation, which directly affects their ability to enact the same old foreign policy. After Bush Jr, a large section of the ruling class backed Obama, as they knew they could leverage his immense global popularity to put a shiny new coat on US imperialism.
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Jun 3, 2020 15:21
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i never even suggested he wasn't impeached btw, that's something you imagined.
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Jun 3, 2020 15:21
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everyone already knew that trump was a crook, but nobody cares because they perceive every politician as a crook
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