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are people on this website like, chronically unable to talk about liking something without also talking about how something else is bad at the same time, you don't need to, it's really not necessary. you can just like something without qualifying it.
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Krinkle posted:I really did not respect the overarching threat of caesar in new vegas I thought centurians were pointlessly silly like goddamn. Did you have to scrape the barrel so deep for fascist imagery? Roman helms would probably be very hard to make and be pointlessly hot to wear in the desert. Unless you raided a wax museum of literally only ancient rome why would you ever make ancient rome your new gang's "thing"? If you're gonna clash themes with my post apocalyptic adventure so loving badly at least make it worth it. The whole thing felt like a history major was constantly elbowing me in the ribs expecting me to get references to rubicons and ides of march but I didn't see any references so it was doubly frustrating as my innate sense of inferiority made me wonder if I knew history better I'd appreciate this more. I feel like they did a Roman Empire thing because a Nazi theme would lose them profit in Germany. When you think fascist, I'm pretty sure the Roman Empire is one of the last things people would think of in a Family Feud scenario.
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Jun 30, 2015 13:35
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ElGroucho posted:I feel like they did a Roman Empire thing because a Nazi theme would lose them profit in Germany. When you think fascist, I'm pretty sure the Roman Empire is one of the last things people would think of in a Family Feud scenario. Italy! Oh, wait
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Jun 30, 2015 14:11
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Croccers posted:*Beats you over the head with a glowing club that steals souls and yells at you in a language that makes you flop over like a loon or sets you on fire while a dead-eyed follower of theirs just stares through space and time.* 
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Jun 30, 2015 14:15
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ADMIT I AM THE GREETEST WIZARD EVER.
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I'm not very far into Arkham Knight, but holy poo poo, I see what people mean when they say how shoehorned in the Batmobile sections are. The very first Riddler challenge is some BS Batmobile race full of obstacles...there's a whole poo poo-load of Riddler dialogue at the start where I guess the game devs were using to explain how a lovely obstacle course is totally a Riddle, but honestly I wasn't paying attention. And I just did the first major setpiece, Ace Chemical, and holy poo poo, it feels even worse there. At least the Riddler challenge was just a single, long, drawn-out sequence. The Ace Chemical section is contantly swapping back and forth between being on-foot and in the car, and the car sections are all one of two things: Find a thing to hook the car's grapple on to to tear down, then go up a ramp with the afterburner or blow up some drone tanks.
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Jun 30, 2015 14:26
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Alouicious posted:are people on this website like, chronically unable to talk about liking something without also talking about how something else is bad at the same time, you don't need to, it's really not necessary. you can just like something without qualifying it. You make a good point but I feel it's needlessly confrontational.
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Jun 30, 2015 15:05
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Thankfully the Batmobile does become more regulated to specific missions/fights as the game goes on.
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Jun 30, 2015 15:06
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Krinkle posted:needlessly confrontational. goons in two words
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Jun 30, 2015 16:26
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People always complain about being able to be the head of the mages guild in Skyrim with pretty much no magic skills, but maybe the guild head position is mainly admin and bullshit politics. Its not like we expect the head of the UFC to also be the strongest fighter, or the head of the teamsters union to be the best driver.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:02
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Also the previous head of the wizard guild was killed by a wizard so like right there he wasn't the best wizard. I actually can't remember how you inherited his dead man's pointy shoes I just assumed a bad wizard did it.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:06
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Krinkle posted:Also the previous head of the wizard guild was killed by a wizard so like right there he wasn't the best wizard. over the span of like a week you discovered the two most powerful and historically significant artifacts the college has ever seen, attracted the attention of the mysterious psyjic order, and killed everything in your way to get to them. In this span you probably killed a dragon in the college courtyard. they promote you out of fear.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:13
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Wolfenstein: The New Order was great, but I had to shell out for The Old Blood to finally shoot flaming mystical Nazis. Should have been available on day one, right after the part where you kill moon Nazis with laser rifles.Oxxidation posted:The time has come, the walrus said, to get real fukken mad about some video games.  The game might actually be super flawed, but there's no such thing as bad wordplay.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:30
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Oxxidation posted:The time has come, the walrus said, to get real fukken mad about some video games. Holy poo poo, good catch Kandak This is a winner
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Jun 30, 2015 17:49
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SiKboy posted:People always complain about being able to be the head of the mages guild in Skyrim with pretty much no magic skills, but maybe the guild head position is mainly admin and bullshit politics. Its not like we expect the head of the UFC to also be the strongest fighter, or the head of the teamsters union to be the best driver.
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Jun 30, 2015 17:52
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Krinkle posted:You make a good point but I feel it's needlessly confrontational. yeah probably
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Jun 30, 2015 18:10
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Krinkle posted:Also the previous head of the wizard guild was killed by a wizard so like right there he wasn't the best wizard. This looks like a job for Archchancellor Ridcully!
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Jun 30, 2015 19:55
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Krinkle posted:I really did not respect the overarching threat of caesar in new vegas I thought centurians were pointlessly silly like goddamn. Did you have to scrape the barrel so deep for fascist imagery? Roman helms would probably be very hard to make and be pointlessly hot to wear in the desert. Unless you raided a wax museum of literally only ancient rome why would you ever make ancient rome your new gang's "thing"? If you're gonna clash themes with my post apocalyptic adventure so loving badly at least make it worth it. The whole thing felt like a history major was constantly elbowing me in the ribs expecting me to get references to rubicons and ides of march but I didn't see any references so it was doubly frustrating as my innate sense of inferiority made me wonder if I knew history better I'd appreciate this more. Its a joke about caesars palace in vegas
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Though now that i think about it the extent of the joke is 100% clear at the first second you encounter them, and from there on out it's wikipedia level trivia about rome til the credits roll so that is kind of annoying When you research something for writing fiction there's a high risk of being bowled over by how much cooler and more complex the real thing was than whatever cornball story you were thinking you were gonna do. It takes some restraint to build out your own ideas on that framework instead of just dumping it all into your script and realizing after it's too late that google search replaced your creative process halfway though e: Dark Souls transcended this problem by attaching every discrete thing in the game to a wiki page of itself, which is okay I guess swamp waste has a new favorite as of 20:50 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 20:47
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Screaming Idiot posted:This looks like a job for Archchancellor Ridcully! I too was thinking of unseen university. Somebody should make a skyrim mod that turns the university into a bunch of discworld style inept wizards. Now I'm going to have to do a "Rincewind run" of skyrim where I roll a mage that can't cast spells and then try to bumble my way out of danger  swamp waste posted:e: Dark Souls transcended this problem by attaching every discrete thing in the game to a wiki page of itself, which is okay I guess Dark Souls is also infinitely more subtle and not afraid to have its gamers miss details, which isn't true of 99% of big budget games. The "make sure the guy in the back of the audience knows what is going on" effect that ruins most Hollywood movies.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:04
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I guess what dragged down New Vegas for me was that it wanted to be funny and absurd but usually blinked and returned to serious matters. Like you have a great Caesar's Palace = actual Caesar thing but then it just becomes a regular rear end video game faction in the middle of some brown geometry somewhere. Where's the neon crucifixions on the side of the highway, the go-go slave shows, the legion captains deciding who to kill for decimation by having them pull a diamond-encrusted slot machine lever shaped like priapus' dick. I know this is possible. I believe in u
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Jun 30, 2015 21:09
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Caesar's Legion happened because Josh Sawyer is a history major. It's like how Warren Spector has a masters degree in television and film so he was more invested in cramming Epic Mickey full of sly winks to Disney history than actually making a game that was fun to play.
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Jun 30, 2015 21:51
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caesar's legion is not a reference to caesar's palace casino you moron
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Jun 30, 2015 22:19
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pizza pizza
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Jun 30, 2015 22:26
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Alouicious posted:yeah probably I am sad nobody got the bit I was doing where I said I liked your post but also that it was bad, to razz you because I did done that thing you said you hated, and not because you needed chiding. I'm bad at jokes. I'm sorry everybody. Alouicious posted:caesar's legion is not a reference to caesar's palace casino you moron Phew they had me going.
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Jun 30, 2015 22:29
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Sleeveless posted:Caesar's Legion happened because Josh Sawyer is a history major. It's like how Warren Spector has a masters degree in television and film so he was more invested in cramming Epic Mickey full of sly winks to Disney history than actually making a game that was fun to play. The Van Buren Legion sounded so much cooler. They used chariots pulled by old cars and motorcycles and there was a greater emphasis on how they brought stability to the regions they conquered.
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Not that I disagree with the complaint in principle - that a non-mage can become the archmage with relatively little effort - but I think Skyrim is probably the weakest example of that to use as basically everyone agrees, and says, the title's more political than any indication of actual skill. 
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Alouicious posted:caesar's legion is not a reference to caesar's palace casino you moron Why not? There's a recurring theme where the post apocalyptic people conflate the vegas kitsch version of something with the real thing.
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Jun 30, 2015 23:12
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The in-story explanation for Caesar's Legion was that Random Schmuck who Became Caesar was a pretty well-educated guy who adopted Roman iconography for his army in order to bring a totally alien culture to the wasteland, which he believed would be the only way to prevent a fuckup on the scale of the nuclear apocalypse from happening again. Dialog with some characters suggests that the Legion doesn't really care about that; they follow Caesar, not what he's trying to do over the long term. edit: essentially, the fact that Caesar's Legion is rather absurdly out of place in the setting is something that the narrative considers itself. StandardVC10 has a new favorite as of 23:18 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 23:15
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I would assume that the mages let someone who can't cast magic lead their guild because Skyrim doesn't like mages, it likes big buff dudes with huge swords. Then they can say "Hey viking dudes, look at us, we're mages but our leader is huge and buff and can kick all your asses. Mages rule."
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Slime posted:I would assume that the mages let someone who can't cast magic lead their guild because Skyrim doesn't like mages, it likes big buff dudes with huge swords. Then they can say "Hey viking dudes, look at us, we're mages but our leader is huge and buff and can kick all your asses. Mages rule." Skyrim only accepts Muscle Wizards who prefer to cast "Fist."
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StandardVC10 posted:The in-story explanation for Caesar's Legion was that Random Schmuck who Became Caesar was a pretty well-educated guy who adopted Roman iconography for his army in order to bring a totally alien culture to the wasteland, which he believed would be the only way to prevent a fuckup on the scale of the nuclear apocalypse from happening again. Dialog with some characters suggests that the Legion doesn't really care about that; they follow Caesar, not what he's trying to do over the long term. I guess that's another thing dragging down Fallout for me, that they tend to justify things by explaining them.  What? This is fuckin stupid. I don't even know why this guy learned to play guitar, or what kind of family tragedy he's coping with by bungee jumping. Gaaay  AWW YEAH THAT'S THE GOOD STUFF
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Jul 1, 2015 00:06
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I think you're looking for simplicity in entirely the wrong places.
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Jul 1, 2015 00:28
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Comparing cinema to video games is always a good idea.
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im pooping! posted:over the span of like a week you discovered the two most powerful and historically significant artifacts the college has ever seen, attracted the attention of the mysterious psyjic order, and killed everything in your way to get to them. In this span you probably killed a dragon in the college courtyard. they promote you out of fear. This is actually a good theory to go along with you being able to power through 100% of the content with a single character in a modern Elder Scrolls game. You basically show up out of nowhere with abilities, knowledge, and luck capable of tackling all the greatest threats to [insert region here] over the course of a few months. You're basically a deity. When you look at the player characters actions from the perspective of NPC's it's amazing everyone doesn't just drop everything and worship you as the 10th Divine after all the crazy poo poo you pull.
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swamp waste posted:I guess that's another thing dragging down Fallout for me, that they tend to justify things by explaining them. This is known as the "show, don't tell" rule. Also, "imply, don't show" works even better somtimes. (Like Bullet Farm and Gasoline Town)
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RyokoTK posted:Comparing cinema to video games is always a good idea. When will games have their citizen kane moment? More like, when will cinema have its bioshock infinite moment!
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StandardVC10 posted:The in-story explanation for Caesar's Legion was that Random Schmuck who Became Caesar was a pretty well-educated guy who adopted Roman iconography for his army in order to bring a totally alien culture to the wasteland, which he believed would be the only way to prevent a fuckup on the scale of the nuclear apocalypse from happening again. Dialog with some characters suggests that the Legion doesn't really care about that; they follow Caesar, not what he's trying to do over the long term. Yeah, the entire point of Caesar is that he's a child of privilege draping himself in the symbols of the Roman empire after reading about them in a book and sitting around stroking his chin as he ponders the Hegelian dialectic while being oblivious to the fact that his empire is just one giant cult of personality that's going to fall apart the moment he dies and that the closest thing to a successor that he has created is an insane deformed freak who literally sacrifices people to the Roman gods because he's buys so completely into Caesar's mythology. He's ultimately a huge self-absorbed hypocrite no matter how much he tries to rationalize the ends justifying the means or explain how his actions are entirely selfless and rational. swamp waste posted:I guess that's another thing dragging down Fallout for me, that they tend to justify things by explaining them. This is like the worst possible example you could have picked because the entire reason that the world of Fury Road is so compelling is because the movie was delayed like a decade so George Miller spent plenty of time sitting around coming up with backstories for every character and all sorts of other weird details that aren't directly stated in the film but were told to the performers and helped shape and motivate the performers. the guy who played Coma the Doof Warrior posted:I knew that George had said that Coma was found by Immortan Joe in a Cave and taken under his wing and he learned to be a musician. I kind of embellished that for myself. Basically, my story was that Coma was found with his mother’s head, after she had been killed, and he was clinging to it and Immortan Joe came and found him and Coma took her face off and made the mask out of her face, to honor her when he went to war. It's also why a sequel was greenlit so quickly, he came up with so much supplemental material that he already has a whole sequel and a Furiosa spinoff already written on top of all the comic books and other bits of media he's putting out.
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Sleeveless posted:This is like the worst possible example you could have picked because the entire reason that the world of Fury Road is so compelling is because the movie was delayed like a decade so George Miller spent plenty of time sitting around coming up with backstories for every character and all sorts of other weird details that aren't directly stated in the film but were told to the performers and helped shape and motivate the performers. No its not; that's the whole point. He's not saying "things should be simple" he's saying that things don't need to be explained. That's literally what he said. Create the back story but don't tell us, we just need you, the author/director/developer, to know what it is. Which is how Mad Max works. They created things like bullet farm that they don't even show us, but they clearly put thought into it. Ghost in the shell is a pretty good example, lots of things that were clearly thought through but aren't really explained at all. Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite are both pretty good but they almost spoil it by explaining everything in backstory vocal logs, but those are cool too.
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Sleeveless posted:This is like the worst possible example you could have picked because the entire reason that the world of Fury Road is so compelling is because the movie was delayed like a decade so George Miller spent plenty of time sitting around coming up with backstories for every character and all sorts of other weird details that aren't directly stated in the film but were told to the performers and helped shape and motivate the performers. I disagree. I'm talking about the final product itself, not the process that went into it. The film would be the worse for including that stuff, in almost exactly the way that game is the worse for trying to justify boring things by saying well there's a history here that makes this interesting. Everything I needed to find the guitar warrior compelling was on the screen; for the Fallout questgiver, pretty much nothin. It's still an unfair example because Mad Max's characters can all have motivations and goals unknown to the audience, but New Vegas has this talky politics-playing element where you kind of have to know what each person's deal is to function most effectively\
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swamp waste posted:I guess that's another thing dragging down Fallout for me, that they tend to justify things by explaining them. Ironically the doof warrior actually does have an elaborate backstory explaining how he came to be. (maybe that was the joke I don't know  )E;FB Zaphod42 posted:No its not; that's the whole point. He's not saying "things should be simple" he's saying that things don't need to be explained. That's literally what he said. Create the back story but don't tell us, we just need you, the author/director/developer, to know what it is. Which is how Mad Max works. They created things like bullet farm that they don't even show us, but they clearly put thought into it. gently caress that noise the Survivalist's logs in Honest Hearts are the best things to ever come out of the fallout games and they involve extensively explaining everything that happened in Zion Valley. khwarezm has a new favorite as of 02:58 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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