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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Also there’s nothing racist about the Ghetto Plan, because having brown-skinned residents is only one of the factors in determining Ghetto status, and it is a mere statistical anomaly that no area without a solid contingent of “foreign Danes” happens to qualify. Actually, having over 60% "non-western" residents (or descendants) is enough to qualify for ghetto status by itself. And only areas with a majority of "non-western" residents (or descendants) can legally be defined as a ghetto. The rest are "socially disadvantaged". SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Demiurge4 posted:Boy am I eating crow, did they just co-opt every racist position? I wish this wasn't the honest to god truth, but the current danish soc dem party has almost literally the same economic policy as the Venstre had in the 90ties (basically laissez faire capitalism is the goal). Their current immigration policy is indistinguishable from extremely nationalist Danish Peoples Party policy, which frankly seems tame compared literal white supremacists and nazis in de nye borgerlige. They're better at pretending to care about the climate, but their economic policy obviously makes anything other than symbolic gestures impossible.
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SplitSoul posted:Actually, having over 60% "non-western" residents (or descendants) is enough to qualify for ghetto status by itself. I had a fact checker walk me through the process, and at that point there were four criteria, one of which was having at least 50% “non-Western” residents, and a socially disadvantaged non-brown could theoretically be a ghetto if it ticked the other three boxes, though no such cases currently exist, but that was back when the Løkke government was still pitching the idea. I guess they changed it at some point to eliminate any potential veneer of not being racist.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I had a fact checker walk me through the process, and at that point there were four criteria, one of which was having at least 50% “non-Western” residents, and a socially disadvantaged non-brown could theoretically be a ghetto if it ticked the other three boxes, though no such cases currently exist, but that was back when the Løkke government was still pitching the idea. I guess they changed it at some point to eliminate any potential veneer of not being racist. Yeah, it was changed last year or the year before, IIRC.
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Should've checked before I said anything. The 60% criterion was apparently only a proposal from the previous government. The rest holds up, though.
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Nov 26, 2019 15:09
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social democrats: less racist than actual fascists
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V. Illych L. posted:social democrats: less racist than actual fascists They still voted for the explicit ethnicity criterion and enshrining the word "ghetto" in legislation, so no. Like, not even the actual Third Reich used that word officially.
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Welp. I'm trying to apply for partial sjukersättning. Haven't gotten as far as needing to fill out the forms and send them in yet (still got weeks and a doctor's appointment first) but it's going to be interesting to see how many months it'll take before it's denied. 
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SplitSoul posted:They still voted for the explicit ethnicity criterion and enshrining the word "ghetto" in legislation, so no. is that a point in favor for the nazis? i support the government acknowledging and identifying ghettos or slums or whatever you wanna call it and actually doing something about it. but not the nazi poo poo the danes are doing
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The best part is some of the municipalities began to offer cash bounties, to get former criminals to move out, just to get off the list. Cue all the usual suspect getting their panties in a bunch.
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Nov 27, 2019 00:34
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Moving from ghetto to ghetto, raking in 15K a pop.
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At the same time they're preventing well-paid, foreign academics from moving into these neighbourhoods, on threat of revoking residency permits.Mercrom posted:is that a point in favor for the nazis? No, I'm just pointing out that we're the only country in the world employing the term officially, alongside a definition centered on ethnicity. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Nov 27, 2019 |
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Nov 27, 2019 09:24
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Maybe officially sanctioned dedicated slums was a bad move after all.
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V. Illych L. posted:maybe denmark bad
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also: lol the minister of justice personally intervened to tell the police to stand down and let people burn the koran because free speech i don't even disagree, necessarily, but it's such a chickenshit thing to do, and one about which it's going to be impossible to have a rational conversation death to 2019
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idgi whats cowardly about telling police not to harrass people the things i read about denmark in this thread makes it sound like the least sympathetic nation on the planet. i think that if sweden and israel switched places we would be worse. denmark has almost the same historical and contemporary privileges as a nation but seem to be bending over backwards to be racist
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V. Illych L. posted:also: lol the minister of justice personally intervened to tell the police to stand down and let people burn the koran because free speech The fact that people is unironically defending book burnings and not be in the wrong us proog that we live in the darkest loving timeline. The føkkings cops hosed up so badly we actually have to defend racists. Alhazred fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Nov 27, 2019 |
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A coworker told me that he saw on the news that paramedics in Sweden now need protective vests. With a wink and nudge to imply that this is due to all the violent immigrant gangs attacking paramedics. Also that nuclear power is better than wind power because building wind turbines is worse for the environment than just not shutting down reactors. Also the turbines are bad for the people around them because they're ugly and hydroelectric power is bad for the salmon. I can just imagine whatever liberal centrist on TV he saw make the case for the poor salmon and how nuclear power is their salvation. I wonder what that persons opinion is on other environmental policies.
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Eschenique posted:A coworker told me that he saw on the news that paramedics in Sweden now need protective vests. With a wink and nudge to imply that this is due to all the violent immigrant gangs attacking paramedics. Probably terrible, but at least they aren't wrong about the reactors.
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Windmills do take a lot of steel to build compared to their power output and wear out faster than you'd think. Solar, hydro, wave, geothermic are better if available, and we still have the issue of renewables being unpredictable, although that can be mitigated somewhat with power storage solutions. If we could get our poo poo together, nuclear power would be a great option, but that's a huge-rear end "if". Reducing our power consumption and improving efficiency is a top priority. Agree on the rest, though. And the protective vest for paramedics stuff is typical anti-immigrant BS. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Nov 27, 2019 |
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Eschenique posted:A coworker told me that he saw on the news that paramedics in Sweden now need protective vests. With a wink and nudge to imply that this is due to all the violent immigrant gangs attacking paramedics. salmon are hosed and hydroelectric is pure havoc on the environment. nuclear power is Good.
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to expand a bit on the hydroelectric power bit: it's very CO2-efficient, but it's also got a huge local footprint. some places in norway, this isn't a big problem because the river runs on what amounts to bare rock, but other places have seen entire ecosystems just wiped out because losing a stream is a very big change to happen overnight. wild salmon are incredibly pressured population-wise both from escaped aquaculture fish and from habitat destruction. wind power is also pretty unfortunate on that note, though not as bad as hydroelectric. habitat destruction and light pollution are, after climate change, the biggest current ecological catastrophes imo. one of those is actually pretty easy to do something about; the other requires change on a similar magnitude to climate change itself, unfortunately
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Habitat destruction is what's going to gently caress us up, and with a particularly bad crop year Norway's gonna learn the hard way what happens when people don't want to trade food. B-but the free market  Yeah well tell it to the depleted atlantic cod stocks and the grocery duopolies crushing domestic farming.
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KozmoNaut posted:Windmills do take a lot of steel to build compared to their power output and wear out faster than you'd think. Solar, hydro, wave, geothermic are better if available, and we still have the issue of renewables being unpredictable, although that can be mitigated somewhat with power storage solutions. Nuclear power, even in its current state is strictly less dangerous than any comparable source of electricity. Even in the hands of a shady utility company nuclear power is much less dangerous to people and the environment than coal, gas, oil and hydroelectric power. The only poo poo we need to get together when it comes to nuclear is loving using it*. *With the caveat that nuclear power can be very expensive, especially when it comes to initial capital investment, so partial or complete state ownership or at least significant subsidies would be necessary. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 27, 2019 |
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imo we should just do state energy expansion. just outright establish a new power company meant to get a domestic nuclear industry going, and if necessary to do the whole shebang. it's too late, but it's been too late for twenty years now, might as well just bite the loving bullet
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build some of those floating power plants that the russians have, park them outside disaster zones for free goodwill. make huge nuclear-powered superfreighters. feel the pleasant warmth of the atom
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V. Illych L. posted:imo we should just do state energy expansion. just outright establish a new power company meant to get a domestic nuclear industry going, and if necessary to do the whole shebang. it's too late, but it's been too late for twenty years now, might as well just bite the loving bullet Social Democrat: "What if—guys, just hear me out—what if... we then sold it to Goldman Sachs?"
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V. Illych L. posted:imo we should just do state energy expansion. just outright establish a new power company meant to get a domestic nuclear industry going, and if necessary to do the whole shebang. it's too late, but it's been too late for twenty years now, might as well just bite the loving bullet It's just a loving shame with nuclear power. We've had a decent alternative to burning fossil fuels since the 50s, but we hosed it up.
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V. Illych L. posted:nuke goldman sachs 
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V. Illych L. posted:build some of those floating power plants that the russians have, park them outside disaster zones for free goodwill. make huge nuclear-powered superfreighters. feel the pleasant warmth of the atom Now this is a good idea. Instead of Sweden having to keep their nuclear power plants on the closest land to Copenhagen they can just float it into the harbor!
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https://www.svt.se/kultur/sd-personer-utan-svenskt-medborgarskap-ska-inte-fa-lana-bockerquote:Den som inte är svensk medborgare ska kunna nekas tillgång till vissa bibliotekstjänster. Det föreslår Sverigedemokraterna i en riksdagsmotion, rapporterar Biblioteksbladet.– Det är väldigt anmärkningsvärt, säger kulturminister Amanda Lind (MP) till Kulturnyheterna. ?!?!?!
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It's dumb and racist as gently caress but even if, against all sensibilities, a law would pass the librarians would circumvent it cause holy poo poo if there's a group of people who are really passionate in their work in getting more people to read it's the librarians. Since this became public at least three cities' public libraries have already started working on off-the-book solutions just in case.
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That's similar to the FrP position in Norway. Aside from the usual racist motivations old voters in these parties have always been annoyed with kids spending time in "their" libraries, the majority of whom are poor and/or brown. They also keep going on about banning video games from libraries for the same reason.
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So those people who need to learn Swedish should be barred from getting books in Swedish from the library. Makes perfect sense.
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thotsky posted:They also keep going on about banning video games from libraries for the same reason. FrP wants libraries to appear outdated so that they can shut them down. When the libraries actually does thing to correct that FrP claims that they are not doing their jobs (which is, according to them, limited to lending out books) so they should be shut down.
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KozmoNaut posted:So those people who need to learn Swedish should be barred from getting books in Swedish from the library.
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Alhazred posted:FrP wants libraries to appear outdated so that they can shut them down. When the libraries actually does thing to correct that FrP claims that they are not doing their jobs (which is, according to them, limited to lending out books) so they should be shut down. an interesting point here is that everybody loves the libraries - they're legitimately the most popular institution in norway, at least. this means that directly and openly attacking them is very difficult, hence the whining about core tasks etc
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