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awesmoe posted:Yeah I totally agree with this assessment. He's also less aware of it than the people around him are (as is often the case) which rubs some readers the wrong way. Yeah, Peter Grant is a completely believable rear end. It's good writing from a character standpoint but it makes it hard to enjoy the character for me. It's not because he's someone who is a poo poo that I'm supposed to not think is a poo poo as happens sometimes with writers (*coughTHOMAScough*) just a believable kind of (for lack of a better word) sorta manchildy guy.
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But IM a sorta manchildy guy! Edit: more seriously, the manchildy protagonist is kinda a building block of the genre; Dresden is an even bigger goon, and Verus is in the same ballpark. Faust has a succubus waifu. I feel like with Peter Grant at least the mixed race elements make up for what would otherwise be a much less interesting (nerdy slacker lucks into magic career) protagonist. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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Exmond posted:I don't think you get to that point by Book 3 though, by book 3 curran has This is all true, but we do know Kate's secrets more or less from the off. So for me, I guess, it makes sense that the man in charge of an army of supernatural hunters and killers is a good choice for her. For what it is worth I feel like you do about mercy Thompson series - it has gone too far into awesome bestest alpha territory for me. Probably because although mercy is cyotes daughter, she is explicitly less destructo powerful than Kate is. There is no real narrative reason she needs a hubby who is the most powerful non family wolf. P Briggs just has a lady boner for old fashioned Military Men.
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ShinsoBEAM! posted:He's a bit of a oval office, but in a way that feels realistic and formed life experiences. He comes off as more of a real person to me than a lot of urban fantasy protagonists. Sort of like a magic policeman version of Dave Lister, maybe.
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I feel the same way about PeteWheat Loaf posted:Peter Grant hasn't ever struck me as a particularly bad guy. Same here. Like I wonder if I missed something in the books that lead to the Peter hate. Dresden and Verus are WAY worse than he is. He just seems like a regular guy. He's not always great, but he loves his junkie jazz dad and his domineering mum, he shows empathy and the occasional flash of smarts, he screws up sometimes but not in rear end in a top hat ways. Heck, the biggest thing for me was being a fucken dimwit as regards his jazz vampire girlfriend, and even then better men than him have ignored the signs of a hot jazz vampire.
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navyjack posted:I feel the same way about Pete I'd even give him a pass on that given how new he was to the study of magic and the fact that "jazz vampire" isn't exactly a concept or creature that most anyone would be aware of (unless they are one I suppose though the girls themselves don't fully seem to fully grasp the nature of what they are). The criticism (seen elsewhere ITT) that he can be self-absorbed and even immature is fair-- he's well meaning, but his tendency to blame himself for the failures of others close to him suggests that he doesn't fully grasp the fact that individuals can and will make decisions for themselves that are at odds with what he would prefer to see them do. But again, I think that's appropriate to the character. He's a cop, an island of official law and order in a very strange and often hostile world. I don't think he's stupid by any stretch, but I do think that he does not focus on tasks well (and isn't really allowed to, given the enormity of what he has to learn and do and his relative youth) so the end result looks a lot like incompetence.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:But IM a sorta manchildy guy! I wouldn't say Verus is a manchild, just emotionally damaged and coping by shutting himself off. I kind of like that his survivor's instinct pushes him to make decisions which aren't always right or best choices, and he acknowledges it. It's kind of hard to watch sometimes, but it is interesting and believable. On the other hand, there are pages of Dresden where he agitates a perfect stranger for no reason, reflects upon how they could ruin his day, then pokes them in the eye.  navyjack posted:I feel the same way about Pete I am willing to bet if you trimmed away the cop-things that color Peter's perception of the world, more people would just think he was a little off instead of a bit dickish. I think he's OK.
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Heh, just finished the latest Peter Grant. I like that he's not perfect, and it's not in the same 'gets mad and does something dumb' way that is a bit overdone in the genre. I also like how magic is specifically NOT linked to emotion and sympathy and is well, Newtonian instead. I'm a bit... hm, I don't know if I should say disappointed? With Hanging Tree. It was a good romp, we learned some pretty important things for the series going forwards, but well, nothing got resolved. Good side-character development and such but it feels like we stalled out somewhere after the tower fell down and the pacing's gotten too slow. Also Peter himself hasn't really leveled up enough to take on the baddies, which he's going to need to start doing at some point. It introduces some interesting ideas and I'm hoping it starts moving a little faster. Also after THE TALK with Lady Ty I'd really like to see him marry Beverly and have some adorable little streams of his own.  --- I met the author of the London Falling books. He's way too cheerful to be the guy who writes those books. Like we were chatting excitedly together about the "Cops find out about the supernatural, immediately requisition a Rabbi/Priest/Imam to see if religious items have magical powers" scene in the first book which I liked a lot. It wasn't until later that I realized you probably can't have super happy conversations about basically any other scene in that book since half of them are about abduction and murder, and the other half are about being sucked into literal Hell. It was an experience. I have a signed copy of his second book that I haven't read yet because I'm kind of afraid to. 
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mistaya posted:I'm a bit... hm, I don't know if I should say disappointed? With Hanging Tree. It was a good romp, we learned some pretty important things for the series going forwards, but well, nothing got resolved. Good side-character development and such but it feels like we stalled out somewhere after the tower fell down and the pacing's gotten too slow. Also Peter himself hasn't really leveled up enough to take on the baddies, which he's going to need to start doing at some point. It introduces some interesting ideas and I'm hoping it starts moving a little faster. Also after THE TALK with Lady Ty I'd really like to see him marry Beverly and have some adorable little streams of his own. As I understand it, Aaronovitch likes to alternate between standalone cases and cases that fit into the Faceless Man/and possibly also Mr Punch? story arc. It's not a bad idea - it's what The X-Files did fro nine years - but it doesn't help when there's naturally a much bigger gap between instalments than there is with a TV show.
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mistaya posted:I met the author of the London Falling books. He's way too cheerful to be the guy who writes those books. Like we were chatting excitedly together about the "Cops find out about the supernatural, immediately requisition a Rabbi/Priest/Imam to see if religious items have magical powers" scene in the first book which I liked a lot. It wasn't until later that I realized you probably can't have super happy conversations about basically any other scene in that book since half of them are about abduction and murder, and the other half are about being sucked into literal Hell. It was an experience. I have a signed copy of his second book that I haven't read yet because I'm kind of afraid to.
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anilEhilated posted:You didn't happen to ask what the gently caress was the idea behind putting Gaiman as a character in the second one? Like, maybe it's a tribute but it just confuses the hell out of me. http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-i-turned-neil-gaiman-into-a-fictional-character-for-1591547733
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Uh-huh. I guess the question shifts to "why the hell did he think he needed a real person for that" then. It just felt really out of place.
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Wizchine posted:GBS hates Whats wrong with neil Gaiman? I liked american gods save for the vore scene.
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Exmond posted:Whats wrong with neil Gaiman? I liked american gods save for the vore scene. I love Neil Gaiman. But a lot of people on GBS seem to look down their noses at him for some reason.
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Exmond posted:Whats wrong with neil Gaiman? I liked american gods save for the vore scene. Neil Gaiman is the Nightmare Before Christmas of authors. Perfectly enjoyably by himself, but the fanbase... He just pops up in a lot of things for no reason other than being Neil Gaiman.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:He just pops up in a lot of things for no reason other than being Neil Gaiman. Relevant: https://youtu.be/8-KKYgmtqqg
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:Neil Gaiman is the Nightmare Before Christmas of authors. Perfectly enjoyably by himself, but the fanbase... Neil Gaiman is a perfectly tolerable author, and his Sandman stuff will forever be a treasured part of comics, but Neil Gaiman made his bones as a twee urban fantasy writer back when twee urban fantasy was a sparse and unpeopled desert landscape and its fans had no one else to go to. These days, when there's actual competition and a much broader and more popularized fantasy landscape, he's just kind of an okay writer, but he still has the reputation and the fandom from when he was a standout figure, which can be grating. It's like the difference between Tim Burton, the quaint little weirdo goth quasi-indie 80's filmmaker, and Tim Burton, the current and forever face of Hot Topic merchandise. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Aug 31, 2017 |
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Imagine all the main urban fantasy series were scheduled to be adapted to TV next year: what would be the ideal casting for the lead in each of them?
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For all the British ones (Rivers, Verus, Rook) probably unknowns I've never seen before.
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The answer is always Idris Elba. Even for Kate Daniels and Myfanwy Thomas.
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Stana Katic is a good fit for Kate Daniels series I think. She's got quite a strong presence. So has the actress who plays Sif in the Thor movies.
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Decius posted:The answer is always Idris Elba. Even for Kate Daniels and Myfanwy Thomas. Ellie Kemper for Thomas
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Xtanstic posted:Ellie Kemper for Thomas Entirely too cute Is myfanwy even a redhead
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Entirely too cute "Wrong hair color" is one of the strangest objections to a casting. People know you can dye hair, right? Like when Emma Stone was cast as Gwen Stacy, and people complained, "But she's a red head!" And the way she calmed people down was to say, "Guys, it's okay, I'm a natural blonde, I just dye my hair red." And everyone said, "Oh okay." As if the opposite wouldn't have been acceptable. This is less against you specifically, as I have no idea what character we're even talking about, so maybe she's a terrible choice. But hair color really shouldn't be the reason.
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Decius posted:The answer is always Idris Elba. Even for Kate Daniels and Myfanwy Thomas. I'd watch the hell out of him in Rivers of London or Shadow Police. Make him the team lead in Shadow Police. Now I'm imagining him in the Hell chapters. Oh my gooooood Edit: Quill Double edit: I mean, I watched The Dark Tower because of him and McConaughey, and because of them I, uh, found parts of it tolerably fun Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Aug 31, 2017 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Entirely too cute Myfanwy can manage cute, but has dark hair (as noted, you can dye that). quote:I am nondescript, she thought. Nondescript features with shoulder-length dark hair. quote:I won’t be able to hit the level of Hot, but I might be able to manage Cute. For people targeting age-appropriate casting, Myfanwy is 31.
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ulmont posted:Myfanwy can manage cute, but has dark hair (as noted, you can dye that). Whatsherface from Torchwood? Or for a fun twist, Nessa from Gavin and Stacy (who also played a Myfanwy on Little Britain).
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tessiebee posted:Whatsherface from Torchwood? Or for a fun twist, Nessa from Gavin and Stacy (who also played a Myfanwy on Little Britain).
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Found this in PYF, and seems like a perfect illustration for any adaptation of Skin Game:
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darthbob88 posted:Eve Myles? Because I can also see her as Myfanwy. Thank you, yes. I like her as an actress and she's TV plain enough to be the unassuming Took ( lovely but not stunning ).
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thrawn527 posted:"Wrong hair color" is one of the strangest objections to a casting. People know you can dye hair, right? It's an image thing. Ellie Kemper is basically perfect for innocent+perky ingenue roles and the red hair is part of that. She could dye it sure but it's part of her image. Myfanwy .. that sort of casting could work due to the amnesia angle but it would clash with her outward "cold competent persona that her prior self apparently had. Dark haired personality type vs. light haired personality type. Elvira isn't a blonde, even if Elvira actually was in fact a strawberry blonde and wore a wig (true fact!). Hair = image = typecasting.
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Scorchy posted:Didn't the Twilight lady license The Rook books for TV adaptation Apparently, and it's going to come up on Starz.
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darthbob88 posted:Apparently, and it's going to come up on Starz. It could be good as long as they don't make it about teenagers.
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tessiebee posted:Whatsherface from Torchwood? tessiebee posted:...Or for a fun twist, Nessa from Gavin and Stacy (who also played a Myfanwy on Little Britain). Myfanwy needs to be in that nebulous age group where she's neither old nor young. In her first appearance she's remarkable only for how absurdly unremarkable she is.
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People were talking about London Falling earlier, so I picked up a copy. I'm interested in it being more horror as well, so I can't wait to dive in!
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A. Beaverhausen posted:People were talking about London Falling earlier, so I picked up a copy. I'm interested in it being more horror as well, so I can't wait to dive in! Be warned - the beginning is a bit rough. Give it a few chapters.
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