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I did silent hunter 4, but I don't remember going down out of port - I do remember making a suicide run on pearl harbour.... (this was as a U-boat from the mod) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwh9WFgqSkE
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It takes a while but every time Grey Hunter starts up a campaign as an LP I find myself reloading this game. Just kicked off tonight a grand campaign as the Allied forces in the quiet china scenario. My god the first turn of this game is a bear to tackle! So much stuff to get moving!
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Reuben Sandwich posted:Didn't GH try to do a submarine game LP with a crew full of goons and sunk the boat a few days out of port?
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   Here we go again.   We are getting picked off at a increasing rate.  At least we are seeing more Betty's in the skies!  Curse them!   We see some sterling work by our fighters.  Then take some losses.   It seems that our fighters are out in force today.   We did well in the air, but those subs are killing us! 
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Did the IJN ever come to the point "Hmm, these enemy submarines are killing us. We should do something about that"? Did no one ever think "Hmm, something seems to be wrong with our bloody ships today - there's always an enemy submarine waiting for us. Could our codes be...broken?".
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Comstar posted:Did the IJN ever come to the point "Hmm, these enemy submarines are killing us. We should do something about that"? Did no one ever think "Hmm, something seems to be wrong with our bloody ships today - there's always an enemy submarine waiting for us. Could our codes be...broken?". You're funny. It took an incredibly corrupt and lovely senator revealing in a public press conference a huge flaw in IJN ASW practices (that US subs were heavily taking advantage of) to even fix that issue with their techniques, let alone presume their codes were cracked.
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Comstar posted:Did the IJN ever come to the point "Hmm, these enemy submarines are killing us. We should do something about that"? Did no one ever think "Hmm, something seems to be wrong with our bloody ships today - there's always an enemy submarine waiting for us. Could our codes be...broken?". Maybe im having a phantom Baader-Meinhoff syndrome but I swear someone just mentioned that idiot Senator May who blabbed to the press that USN submarines could dive a lot deeper than the IJN thought, so they were setting their depth charges way too shallow. But as far as WitP goes I believe people have said some of the late war Japanese ships get relatively powerful ASW simply because they get a lot of shots (presumably something that never saw widespread use historically?), similar to how level 4-engine bombers are a bit too accurate simply because they get a ton of hit rolls.
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Lakedaimon posted:
yes there's this one Escort class that proves to be very lethal to subs because it has a lot of depth charge racks, which significantly ups its accuracy.
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Comstar posted:Did the IJN ever come to the point "Hmm, these enemy submarines are killing us. We should do something about that"? Did no one ever think "Hmm, something seems to be wrong with our bloody ships today - there's always an enemy submarine waiting for us. Could our codes be...broken?". Admittedly anecdotal, but there are accounts of Allied ground forces reaching abandoned Japanese positions and finding plain-text documents lying around intact. Apparently, the Japanese had not even attempted to destroy them under the assumption that there was no way they could be understood by foreigners.
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Do you have a list of major merchant ships you could paste here, Grey? Say, anything above 6 or 10 points, or even just the number of hulls you've got?
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From reading AARs the way to succeed in ASW as Japan is to rely heavily on patrol aircraft. You don't get great feedback about the results (no combat reports I believe) but you'll generally have much better luck than with your lovely escorts until you get E and Super E class escorts. I'm sure Grey has a robust ASW training program in the background which will be paying dividends any day now z
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8 September 1943 The Armistice signed between Italy and the Allies on 3 September takes effect today. As part of its conditions, the surviving units of the Italian fleet attempt to sail for Malta in the evening. German escort SG.19 (ex-French aviso Elan), interned in Turkey to avoid capture in the Aegean.
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What's the over/under on the number of carriers sunk by submarines by the end of 1943? I'm going to go with 2 at 50%.
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  They switch to Rangoon's port.  We gun down more of their planes.  It's nice to not have to report several sunk ships today!  My air pools are running like clockwork now.
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Triggerhappypilot posted:What's the over/under on the number of carriers sunk by submarines by the end of 1943? That's not how over/under wooooooorks
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  Their Liberators go deep again.  A Dauntless gets Flaked up.  I'm going to send some battleships down to Namou to bombard this is a bit of a risk, but I need to try something down there. The Kido Butai set sail today to get in position to support. As an aside, I'm scanning my education certificates as part of becoming a registered scientist, and I though you guys would get a laugh out of this. 
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You sure you want to have your full name on that? Aaah grade inflation though. Doubt any scientists today have 6 GCSEs, 4 C's 2 D's
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Good point, better safe than sorry.
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9 September 1943 British minelayer Abdiel, mined while landing occupation forces in Taranto harbor. Italian warships sunk at sea: Battleship Roma, sunk in the Gulf of Asinara by two FX.1200 glide bombs en route to Malta with the force based at La Spezia. Destroyers Antonio da Noli and Ugolino Vivaldi, damaged by German coast artillery in the Straits of Bonifacio while interdicting German shipping; the former was mined, the latter crippled by air attack and abandoned. Corvette Berenice, sunk in Trieste harbor by German artillery while attempting to escape. Minelayer Pelagosa, sunk off Genoa by German artillery while attempting to escape. Italian warships captured by Germany: Cruisers Bolzano and Gorizia, badly damaged at La Spezia and unable to escape. Destroyers Turbine, Francesco Crispi, Dardo, Premuda, Sebenico, and FR.32. The first pair, at Piraeus, entered German service; the remainder, under repair at Genoa and Venice, did not return to service. Torpedo boats Castelfidardo, Solferino, San Martino, Calatafimi, Generale Achille Papa, T.3, and T.7, mostly entered German service. Corvettes Camoscio, Antilope, and Artemide, at Livorno. Minesweeper Crotone, at La Spezia. Italian warships scuttled: Cruiser Taranto, at La Spezia, refloated and sunk twice more. Destroyers Nicolo Zeno, Corazziere, Maestrale, FR.21, and FR.22, variously at La Spezia and Genoa. Escort destroyer Ghibli, at Genoa. Torpedo boats Generale Antonio Cascino, Generale Carlo Montanari, Lira, and Procione, at La Spezia. Corvettes Persefone, Euterpe, and FR.51 (ex-French aviso La Batailleuse), at La Spezia. Minelayer Buccari, at La Spezia. Minesweeper Lepanto, at Shanghai. Raised and recommissioned as Japanese gunboat Okitsu and eventually handed over to China. 10 September 1943 German torpedo boat TA.11 (ex-French Iphigénie), sunk off Elba by Italian MAS while escorting a convoy. Italian destroyer Antonio Pigafetta, sabotaged at Fiume but repaired and entered German service as TA.44. Italian torpedo boats Insidioso, captured at Pola while unfueled, sabotaged but repaired and entered German service as TA.21, and Giuseppe Missori, captured at Durazzo after engaging German land units, renamed TA.22 and crewed by Italians under German supervision until sabotaged by the former at Trieste, then repaired and crewed by Germans. Italian minelayer Fasana, captured at Trieste, entered German service as Kiebitz, and was scuttled.
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 Royal Italian Navy.The armistice of September 8th is still controversial and debated in Italy. Not because of the armistice itself, but because of the way it was announced: out of the blue, with nobody outside the very top of the Italian Government having any idea it was coming. The vast majority of the italian armed forces were caught flat-footed, and since they were at the time fighting side-by-side with the Germans, who were now their enemies, they got mostly captured or shot. Sometimes captured and then shot.
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I mean, it's about in line with the competence of Italian leadership for the rest of the war, so... The troops themselves were fine, but holy poo poo were the officers and government of Italy terrible.
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It's almost as if promoting people based on loyalty to the ruling party and not on actual skills, abilities, and results is a bad thing! 
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Mikl posted:It's almost as if promoting people based on loyalty to the ruling party and not on actual skills, abilities, and results is a bad thing! I bet if the officers in the surface navy and the the regular army had total control of the war effort, Italy could have carried the Mediterranean front. Those party loyalists among the air force and frogmen really dragged down the war effort. Plus, having a parallel army in the CCNN was such a waste. Giving all the best equipment to some unprofessional hacks really robbed the tip of the spear of the things Italy needed to win.
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817 posted:I bet if the officers in the surface navy and the the regular army had total control of the war effort, Italy could have carried the Mediterranean front. Those party loyalists among the air force and frogmen really dragged down the war effort. Cute
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Nah, Italy couldn't have won the war, not any more than Japan could have won the Pacific war: the combined force Italy and Germany were facing was simply too great compared to their to have any reasonable hope of a final victory. The fact that Italy did so poorly, and in fact probably shortened the war by dragging Germany down, is because at the start of the war Italy was nowhere near the level of readiness that was needed for a major war (i.e.: fighting a developed country, not Libyians and Ethiopians). The rank-and-file troops knew this, and proabably the generals knew this, but they couldn't object without getting fired. It all boils down to Mussolini wanting a piece of the pie when Hitler stomped France at the beginning of the war (namely: Nice, Corsica, Savoie, some minor islands in the Mediterranean), and hoping to ride the Nazi's coattails to an easy victory and/or being too naive to see where declaring war on France and the UK would lead, all the while having his pals patting him on the back and saying "yes boss you're so great boss."
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The Axis lost whatever tiny speck of hope they had for winning the war when Germany created a bureaucracy incapable of coordinating a proper nuclear weapons research program, and alienated the best scientists they had. I suppose things also might have gone differently if politics had been quite different in America. As long as America enters the war and has nuclear weapons and the Axis don't it's obvious things end by nuclear bombers flying out of England, since England falling was never a possibility. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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It's my understanding that Italy's big problem was that they didn't have the industrial base to equip and supply a modern army. So a lot of Italian equipment was WWI surplus and they had trouble getting supplies to the front lines.
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RA Rx posted:The Axis lost whatever tiny speck of hope they had for winning the war when Germany created a bureaucracy incapable of coordinating a proper nuclear weapons research program, and alienated the best scientists they had. Germany could not have managed to build an atomic bomb prior to 1945 (nor did they ever seriously attempt to), even with a magical perfect administration. The cost of simply producing the fissile material, nevermind doing all the research, was beyond her capacities given the other demands on her industry.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Even if they had a weapon, they didn't have the means to deliver it. And even if they could drop it on an allied city, it's unlikely it would have ended the war in Germany's favor. Hell its questionable if the two the US dropped in the irl timeline had that effect or if rather the Soviet invasion had the bigger effect.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Even if they had a weapon, they didn't have the means to deliver it. And even if they could drop it on an allied city, it's unlikely it would have ended the war in Germany's favor. Imagine trying to drop on A-bomb on London using ... what, an He-111? Fighting its way through a literal swarm of Mustangs, Spitfires, Thunderbolts, Lightnings, and maybe even Meteors?
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Definitely the final mission of the gay black Hitler version of il2 sturmovik. Which probably would be called me 410 hornisse, come to think of it.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Imagine trying to drop on A-bomb on London using ... what, an He-111? Fighting its way through a literal swarm of Mustangs, Spitfires, Thunderbolts, Lightnings, and maybe even Meteors? more likely one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_177 but yeah basically you'd have to throw dozens of bombers at London with one of them hiding the a-bomb on board and hope you get lucky
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:Giuseppe Missori, captured at Durazzo after engaging German land units, renamed TA.22 and crewed by Italians under German supervision until sabotaged by the former at Trieste, then repaired and crewed by Germans. 
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gradenko_2000 posted:Imagine trying to drop on A-bomb on London using ... what, an He-111? Fighting its way through a literal swarm of Mustangs, Spitfires, Thunderbolts, Lightnings, and maybe even Meteors? I'm pretty sure von Braun would have loved to build a larger V-2, just like he did for the US.
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Epicurius posted:It's my understanding that Italy's big problem was that they didn't have the industrial base to equip and supply a modern army. So a lot of Italian equipment was WWI surplus and they had trouble getting supplies to the front lines. Not so much WW1 surplus but late 1920s early 1930s gear. Mussolini started Italian rearming programs far earlier than anyone else. This is why you have pretty great motorized capabilities (quite good FIAT trucks and Lancia Ro.3s) that stayed fairly competitive, but also stuff like a bunch of FIAT CR.32 which were absolutely great front line fighters in 1935. Italian industry couldn't really scale production, and a lot of Italian designs were extremely labor intensive, so production of obsolete stuff continued for quite a while. The Italian army was OK in Spain, not great but not a disaster, and for instance if things had gone hot at Austrian Anschluss they probably would have done OK against the Wehrmacht. The Italians could not figure out tanks, though. Makes no sense since they were generally good at boats and trucks and planes.
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McGavin posted:I'm pretty sure von Braun would have loved to build a larger V-2, just like he did for the US. For sure, but now that's one more vehicle you have to design, test, and build. One more thing you somehow have to have the Germans find the resources to do.
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re: Italychat, this statistic floors me every time I'm reminded of it:quote:Approximately one quarter of the ships of Italy's merchant fleet were in foreign ports at the outbreak of hostilities, and, given no forewarning, were immediately impounded.[29][30] also, Italian tanks were generally bad because Italy lacked the technical sophistication and steel production (their steel output was 1/5 of Britain's and 1/10 of Germany's) to make anything along the lines of the tanks that Britain or Germany (post-Panzer II anyway) were able to field. Something simple and sturdy like a truck, sure, but the Italian automotive industry wasn't developed enough to create medium or heavy tanks in particularly large numbers. HannibalBarca fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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lenoon posted:Definitely the final mission of the gay black Hitler version of il2 sturmovik. This would be a fascinating mod.
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