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The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Grand Fromage posted:

My coworkers were mostly not this dumb but I had a weirdly competent employer for China.

I remember a few times posting that my work actually scheduled me at two different meetings at the same time in different parts of the city. When I brought this up, it didn't even register it was a problem until I said something along the lines of "These are two different places, but I am only one person. I can only attend one" , in which case the HR girl would say something like "maybe we can think on this"

Yes, let us.

Grand Fromage posted:

I fortunately never had this situation but most of the Chinese I saw out on dates spent the entire time silent on their phones, yeah.

smartphones weren't really a thing when I dated Chinese girls in China, so it never really affected me either. I kind of had to improvise that part.

but yeah, I wasn't really joking when I posted all of that stuff. I mean I could have written about street making GBS threads or car crashes or any number of things, but those, as you know, aren't actually daily life, much more like weekly life, or monthly life. that write up that I did really isn't that far off from a normal day when I was living in Tianjin.

I actually recorded dramatic readings of the Japan one/China one, but I started laughing in the middle of the China one and then decided not to post them, lol

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


The Great Autismo! posted:

I remember a few times posting that my work actually scheduled me at two different meetings at the same time in different parts of the city. When I brought this up, it didn't even register it was a problem until I said something along the lines of "These are two different places, but I am only one person. I can only attend one" , in which case the HR girl would say something like "maybe we can think on this"

Yes, let us.

The office manager at my main school was by far the most competent person I ever worked with in Asia and maybe anywhere, so that kind of poo poo almost never happened and if it did she fixed it as soon as I pointed out the mistake. She was cool and good.

Nanigans
Aug 31, 2005

~Waku Waku~

harperdc posted:

coffee website Sprudge also has a City Guide for Tokyo, and I know my Australian friends have all shared tons of recommendations down the years too, I need to remember some of them to take the wife along sometime.

This is great! Our Air BnB is nowhere near any of these places (staying in Sugamo) but that works out since I don't like to have my first cup until a few hours after I'm awake. Thanks!

North and East Tokyo don't seem to have much of anything. Hmm. Might have to Starbucks those days.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


There are good little coffee shops all over, you really shouldn't have much trouble if you're the wandering type.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008
After spending a month here, chilling with salarymen and the occasional host (airbnb close to kabukicho lol) I'm gonna start making plans to move to Tokyo.

I know the horror stories, I know poo poo will probably be worse for foreigners after the olympics and the work culture can be legit psychotic... but i feel so much more at home here than in my own country its not even funny.

Gabriel Grub
Dec 18, 2004

"Exciting Tokyo" Hub video already working.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Is Japanese work culture really that much worse than America's? I know I posted that article before, but I keep seeing it brought up.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is Japanese work culture really that much worse than America's? I know I posted that article before, but I keep seeing it brought up.

generally speaking, not really

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008

I'm only using 18% of my full power !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is Japanese work culture really that much worse than America's? I know I posted that article before, but I keep seeing it brought up.

No. They are both pretty bad, but America is a special kind of dystopian hell where your employer holds power over your family’s health in its hands and can kick you out for any reason or no reason at all and leave you and your kids without health care. At least employees in Japan have a modicum of legal protection against being randomly fired.

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

if you gently caress up at a zaibatsu you don't even get fired just sent to a room where you get paid to do nothing and chill on the internet all day, until retirement. to the japanese mind this is bad, for some reason

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
I see. I keep hearing how the Japanese work crazy long hours compared to America.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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punk rebel ecks posted:

I see. I keep hearing how the Japanese work crazy long hours compared to America.

I keep hearing that Americans are expected to answer emails/phones 24/7/365.

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008

I'm only using 18% of my full power !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

d0s posted:

if you gently caress up at a zaibatsu you don't even get fired just sent to a room where you get paid to do nothing and chill on the internet all day, until retirement. to the japanese mind this is bad, for some reason

I’ve seen this happen to people and it is pretty humiliating and you have to have a very thick skin to just go on taking it. It’s usually accompanied by your coworkers basically ignoring/avoiding you, and it’s pretty much the end of your career if you don’t leave the company. It does give people time to get their poo poo together and apply for other jobs if they are the type of person who can get another job, though. I have also seen people offered money to just quit, which is probably a sweet deal if you can get it.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Lyons has seen about the worst that Japan can manage short of sending homeless people into nuclear reactors or immigrants into indentured servitude, so take that under consideration.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

The Great Autismo! posted:

generally speaking, not really

Haven’t you never worked in Japan, like not even once for a tiny bit? Or lived in Japan beyond a few months chunks?

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


socialized health care owns

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

peanut posted:

socialized health care owns

Even more so is informing Japanese people “don’t worry, foreigners get it too.” (Was part of discussion with our sports league about handling injuries, had to explain that everybody living in Japan has to get healthcare one way or another).

Japan it’s more people stay at work forever (and sometimes feel more obligated to go drinking regularly), whereas the US it’s more “leaving the office at five but doing a couple hours’ work on the laptop in the evening,” to speak in very broad generalizations.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


How does it work if you're not a resident? I had to go to a hospital once in Korea when I was just visiting and so I had no national insurance, thus my visit that would've been $10 as a resident cost a horrifying $100 for eye scans/specialist consultations/medicine/etc. I don't even want to know what that would've run me in the US.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Grand Fromage posted:

How does it work if you're not a resident? I had to go to a hospital once in Korea when I was just visiting and so I had no national insurance, thus my visit that would've been $10 as a resident cost a horrifying $100 for eye scans/specialist consultations/medicine/etc. I don't even want to know what that would've run me in the US.

About the same.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

LimburgLimbo posted:

Haven’t you never worked in Japan, like not even once for a tiny bit? Or lived in Japan beyond a few months chunks?

ya

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Grand Fromage posted:

How does it work if you're not a resident? I had to go to a hospital once in Korea when I was just visiting and so I had no national insurance, thus my visit that would've been $10 as a resident cost a horrifying $100 for eye scans/specialist consultations/medicine/etc. I don't even want to know what that would've run me in the US.

I've gone to the doctor with tourist friends who paid without insurance. We asked in advance, the staff said Yeah OK, and we didn't have any trouble. With insurance you pay 30%, without you pay 100%. Still super affordable compared to urgent care in the US.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
I remember working at a worker's comp position, and I recall a coworker having a client who got hurt in Japan, but they demanded going back to get care in America because "the care overseas wasn't as good as it was in the USA".

zmcnulty
Jul 26, 2003

Umm tbf lots of Japanese doctors spend time in the US learning American medical practices and techniques. Despite the ridiculous costs to the end user, or perhaps because of it, the US medical system is actually quite advanced and innovative.

Now if it's something simple like a broken arm or whatever, yeah, that guy is probably dumb. But I guess lots of people only trust the medicine and stuff from their native country.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


The US has excellent health care... if you can afford it.

Problem is that is a gigantic loving if in that sentence.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Grand Fromage posted:

The US has excellent health care... if you can afford it.

Problem is that is a gigantic loving if in that sentence.

I never really agreed with that framing, being that base care is terrible. I see American healthcare kind of like saying that schooling in South Africa is great as long as you shell out the money for a super high end private school instead of going to a public one.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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The best healthcare is preventative healthcare, and by that metric America probably has the worst healthcare in the world.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

What i do like about Japanese healthcare is that there are no GP's to get past and you can get treatment from a clinic right away. Like, I'll feel pressure on my forehead, no need to waste time with a generalist, just go straight to an otolaryngologist's to get an x ray and have my sinuses treated.

The downside of that is probably that every clinic has a waiting room full of hypochondriac old people though. Also dentistry is terrible.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Stringent posted:

The best healthcare is preventative healthcare, and by that metric America probably has the worst healthcare in the world.

yes

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Japan is good you nerds, ffs, keep complaining about immaterial bullshit and you're going to convince people to do something stupid like, I dunno, leave the country

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
If you love Japan so much why don't you marry it

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Bloodnose posted:

If you love Japan so much why don't you marry it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBfjOqoj-2E

LyonsLions
Oct 10, 2008

I'm only using 18% of my full power !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Great Autismo! posted:

Japan is good you nerds, ffs, keep complaining about immaterial bullshit and you're going to convince people to do something stupid like, I dunno, leave the country

If your posting hasn’t already done that, nothing will.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Stringent posted:

The best healthcare is preventative healthcare, and by that metric America probably has the worst healthcare in the world.

That's the problem with the system overall.

There's a reason why when rich assholes anywhere in the world have a serious illness they fly to the US for treatment. The flaw in US healthcare is that sort of treatment isn't available to everyone. The US isn't lacking in skilled doctors or technology or innovative research or whatever.

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

The AMA has lobbied to keep residency numbers low and put in standards that ensure that burnout is the norm in doctors so there is a culture of exceptionalism and resentment that prevents the field from effectively evolving for the public good.

On topic: I’ve been here for exactly one day and my experiences have 100% convinced me to get a toilet with heater and bidet when I get home. Did shinjuku-type things today while getting over some mild culture shock. Next day is in odaiba!!

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Grand Fromage posted:

There's a reason why when rich assholes anywhere in the world have a serious illness they fly to the US for treatment.

I thought this was a myth?

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008




Not a Children posted:

On topic: I’ve been here for exactly one day and my experiences have 100% convinced me to get a toilet with heater and bidet when I get home. Did shinjuku-type things today while getting over some mild culture shock. Next day is in odaiba!!

I told my partner all about the prevalence of bidets in Japan and she was as confused by me as them. I really hope she falls in love with them cause she sounded so horrified at a jet of water on your bum :lol:

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Hopefully Americans adopting metric will be a habit as well

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

caberham posted:

Hopefully Americans adopting metric will be a habit as well

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


punk rebel ecks posted:

I thought this was a myth?

No? It happens quite a bit. The US isn't the only country that has it but if you have endless money to burn it's hard to beat the standard of care you can buy in the US.

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The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

LyonsLions posted:

If your posting hasn’t already done that, nothing will.

I would love to sit down and buy a coffee for the guy who says "yes, I decided to leave Japan because TGA's shitposting on an internet comedy forum in a Japan thread was just too much for me to take"

also yes GF is correct that the top end health care is easily one of the best in the world in usa, I just thought that was common knowledge

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