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wow an area with high surveillance in the wake of horrific terrorism attacks it's funny whenever you see a travel/expat vlog and the women often say how safe they feel walking around alone late at night
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Sagebrush posted:The term you're looking for here is "cultural genocide." It's the same thing that Canadians and Americans have been doing to native people from whenever it became distasteful to just shoot them until the present. i'm aware of the distinction, i was referring to people that conflate the two into simply "genocide". which, to be fair, the US state department also did yet they refuse to apply the same terminology to what israel is doing in gaza. strange, huh?
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May 17, 2024 01:41
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crepeface posted:wow an area with high surveillance in the wake of horrific terrorism attacks iirc they referred to the terrorist attacks as "expressions of discontent" or something to that effect, lol either way tori is right. regardless of location we're all under constant surveillance anyway, just some people get more scrutiny than others
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May 17, 2024 01:44
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Sagebrush posted:The term you're looking for here is "cultural genocide." It's the same thing that Canadians and Americans have been doing to native people from whenever it became distasteful to just shoot them until the present. people have to stop comparing china to settler colonial states just because that's the only lens they understand the formation of nations from. most countries form in the way that china does, through a long history of war, trade and integration between neighouring tribes. the 'cultural genocide' that gets talked about is from two main misconceptions.
quote:Behind him, a drunk Uyghur man was yelling. Alcohol is forbidden for practicing Muslims, especially in the holy month of Ramadan. https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9
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Beeftweeter posted:i basically got the sense that they are forcibly assimilating people into what the state's idea of "chinese culture" is. that is imo certainly bad, but quite far from literal genocide. and yes, that's certainly oppressive, and yes, there is satellite evidence that (quite a few) mosques had been completely razed to the ground, which is also bad. china's 1982 constitution provides for "freedom of religious belief" — but afaict (and i'm no expert, paging fart) not worship — so i suppose that would be fair game, there buildings that are crumbling dangerously get torn down. that's not evidence of repression. the question is if there are still enough mosques to service the religious needs of the community and based on every travel vlog i've seen (and my aunt's own visit last year) it looks like there is. iirc there was a specific one that was rebuilt and modernised that you can find with satellite "evidence".
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May 17, 2024 02:06
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Fart you're logged into the wrong account
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May 17, 2024 02:07
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ah gently caress
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crepeface posted:buildings that are crumbling dangerously get torn down. that's not evidence of repression. the question is if there are still enough mosques to service the religious needs of the community and based on every travel vlog i've seen (and my aunt's own visit last year) it looks like there is. i mean, idk what conditions the buildings were in, but it was noted that at least some were "ancient" without specifying what that meant. if they were structurally unsound, then yeah, i can see the chinese perspective being "tear it down and build a new one" since that's something that happens all the time there and yes, it was noted that at least one was rebuilt (but they didn't mention that it was rebuilt as a mosque). i am glad to hear that they didn't all disappear though Sagebrush posted:Fart you're logged into the wrong account eh, fart knows i've got nothing against china. keep in mind i was summarizing what i'd read, unless i specifically said so i don't necessarily agree with their viewpoint. for maybe the past 15 years in the US we have definitely been subject to a steady diet of negative propaganda specifically targeting china so while i'd trust the guardian (a UK outfit, for those who don't know) a little more than the NYT, they're not as unbiased as they claim either. plus being in the UK they're actually subject to more governmental pressure, not less, though that's usually reserved for articles critical of the uk government
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May 17, 2024 05:56
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wow this thread got woke real quick
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May 17, 2024 06:08
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crepeface posted:it's funny whenever you see a travel/expat vlog and the women often say how safe they feel walking around alone late at night yeah, now that they're getting rid of uyghurs
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May 17, 2024 06:34
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crepeface posted:buildings that are crumbling dangerously get torn down. that's not evidence of repression. the question is if there are still enough mosques to service the religious needs of the community and based on every travel vlog i've seen (and my aunt's own visit last year) it looks like there is. e: okay "openly" might be a dumb word when we talk about ethnicity, just, y'know, using it as a descriptor
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lol NYT had a picture from someone that saw an upside down flag at samuel alito's house on january 17, 2021 (the date of biden's inauguration). employing the standard political playbook, he blamed his wife quote:The Times published a photo of the inverted flag, which it said was seen at the justice’s home in Alexandria, Virginia, on January 17, 2021. sure is great we have unaccountable insane people running things
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Beeftweeter posted:lol there are some interviews with her and she claims she did put it up because their neighbors had a sign that said "gently caress Trump" which is perfectly in line with your standard rich dc suburbanite
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crepeface posted:people have to stop comparing china to settler colonial states just because that's the only lens they understand the formation of nations from. most countries form in the way that china does, through a long history of war, trade and integration between neighouring tribes. this is a real question, not a rhetorical one: raminasi posted:is amnesty international a cia op or did they just get suckered by one (to be clear, both organization's accusations are of "crimes against humanity," not "genocide")
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May 17, 2024 14:42
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:there are some interviews with her and she claims she did put it up because their neighbors had a sign that said "gently caress Trump" sounds like supreme court justices should all be unmarried and forever alone hell let's just make them robots
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May 17, 2024 16:03
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crepeface posted:people have to stop comparing china to settler colonial states just because that's the only lens they understand the formation of nations from. most countries form in the way that china does, through a long history of war, trade and integration between neighouring tribes. nation building is accomplished through genocide. full stop. there are no states that exist which where not formed out of the violent repression of opposition, usually (but not always) indigenous people. acting as if china is any different, or that these are forgivable crimes or unique to colonial states is idiotic at best. Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 16:44 on May 17, 2024 |
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May 17, 2024 16:42
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Beeftweeter posted:sounds like supreme court justices should all be unmarried and forever alone  mandatory gelding for all supreme court justices
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Improbable Lobster posted:nation building is accomplished through genocide. full stop. there are no states that exist which where not formed out of the violent repression of opposition, usually (but not always) indigenous people. acting as if china is any different, or that these are forgivable crimes or unique to colonial states is idiotic at best. you dont think theres a difference between what the english did in england and what they did in america? or between either of those examples and what india did for its independence? etc.
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Improbable Lobster posted:nation building is accomplished through genocide. full stop. there are no states that exist which where not formed out of the violent repression of opposition, usually (but not always) indigenous people. acting as if china is any different, or that these are forgivable crimes or unique to colonial states is idiotic at best. wtf is this post. i did not read context granted, but go to dnd and do context then. if the post context were such that it necessitated and contextualized this poo poo, also kindly gently caress off to dnd. Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 00:15 on May 18, 2024 |
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May 17, 2024 22:50
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Improbable Lobster posted:nation building is accomplished through genocide. full stop. there are no states that exist which where not formed out of the violent repression of opposition, usually (but not always) indigenous people. acting as if china is any different, or that these are forgivable crimes or unique to colonial states is idiotic at best. so, uh, what about states comprised mostly of indigenous people?
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raminasi posted:is amnesty international a cia op or did they just get suckered by one the NGO space has definitely been infiltrated, as has the media. can't find the report where a cia guy says it outright but it's out there. it doesn't mean cia are directing everything outright, or that they don't do any good work, but as with anything, you have to read it critically. here's a 5 min clip of a hong kong journalist talking about those groups with a few specifics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uASqc_nHu48 Improbable Lobster posted:nation building is accomplished through genocide. full stop. there are no states that exist which where not formed out of the violent repression of opposition, usually (but not always) indigenous people. acting as if china is any different, or that these are forgivable crimes or unique to colonial states is idiotic at best. 
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crepeface posted:here's a 5 min clip of a hong kong journalist talking about those groups with a few specifics: doesn't that guy work for china's version of voice for america
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Ireland was built without genocide (or rather the Irish weren’t doing the genociding) I believe Norway also managed to do it, as did Greenland. lot of tiny European countries all managed to do it. genocide is principally a founding condition of settler colonial states.
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raminasi posted:doesn't that guy work for china's version of voice for america says who do you think he was lying about amnesty international reporting that a uyhgur student was kidnapped by hong kong police when he was in korea
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:Ireland was built without genocide (or rather the Irish weren’t doing the genociding) a metric poo poo ton of countries managed to form without genocide and still exist today
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what living on turtle island does to a mf 😔😔😔
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England is a nation-state that formed without genocide but should have had some
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England practiced genociding the celts before turning their eye to the rest of the world
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The Romans genocided the Celts, nobody involved was English yet
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ehh that's not really true. england has an incredibly long history, what we conceptualize as "the english" today are kinda really germans
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Beeftweeter posted:ehh that's not really true. england has an incredibly long history, what we think of as "the english" are kinda really germans Nah, the English ruling family (the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha) is German. The English themselves are English and have been for a while. They just kinda became English around 700 AD.
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If you want to argue that the English are actually German due to the Saxons, that means the French are also German.
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In 700 AD everyone's teeth got bad and they said "oi mate, we're English now. Blimey!"
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Nah, the English ruling family (the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha) is German. The English themselves are English and have been for a while. They just kinda became English around 700 AD. well yeah, i mean, it happened literally thousands of years ago, but a ton of romano-british were killed when the anglo-saxons took over. i guess since there aren't any romano-british anymore, that might constitute genocide?
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Beeftweeter posted:well yeah, i mean, it happened literally thousands of years ago, but a ton of romano-british were killed when the anglo-saxons took over. but i guess since there aren't any romano-british anymore, that might constitute genocide? There are a whole shitload of Romano-British, they're called "english people" and they have bad teeth
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Can't you take this to one of the 100,000 other threads about in the poo poo forums
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