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Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Arc Hammer posted:

Telling her that after he joined a group of convoy truckers holding the planet hostage by wrecking the weather control systems and ruining the locals' day.

I always liked when they "attack" the resort, and Jadzia immediately steals one of their guns and tries to light them up, only to reveal its all fake. Jadzia owns

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Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

Blistex posted:

Run Silent Run Deep specifically.

The Enemy Below, where Robert Mitchem is the captain of a Destroyer Escort that has to hunt down a U-Boat commanded by a German captain who's lost faith in Nazism, and as it goes on, the two of them gain respect for each other as worthy opponents.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
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Danaru posted:

I always liked when they "attack" the resort, and Jadzia immediately steals one of their guns and tries to light them up, only to reveal its all fake. Jadzia owns

Event pictured

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

New Love Glow
Nothing like going from Civil Defense to Meridian. An episode so lame not even Coombs can save it

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Bismack Billabongo posted:

Nothing like going from Civil Defense to Meridian. An episode so lame not even Coombs can save it

But we do get stupid sexy Quark. The Brigadoon stuff sucks rear end.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



The holodeck subplot is good, the rest is awful

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!

What episode in all of Trek has the biggest swing between good A/B plot and bad? Meridian is a good example where the Quark/Kira plot is fun but the Dax plot is just loving torturous.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Admiralty Flag
Jun 7, 2007

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!

Shocker. When the price fell.

Elon and Rogan at the podcast table.

NFT's their security wide.

External Organs
Mar 3, 2006

One time i prank called a bear buildin workshop and said I wanted my mamaws ashes put in a teddy from where she loved them things so well... The woman on the phone did not skip a beat. She just said, "Brang her on down here. We've did it before."

Sedgr posted:

What episode in all of Trek has the biggest swing between good A/B plot and bad? Meridian is a good example where the Quark/Kira plot is fun but the Dax plot is just loving torturous.

Literally anything + Tom Paris tries to get Harry Kim's love life "on track"

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

New Love Glow
Any Star Trek plot where a main character forms a brief but intense love relationship with an alien of the week or whatever fuckin sucks. If they ever revisited these characters like Vash was revisited then it wouldn’t be as eye rolling IMO. It doesn’t help that nine times out of ten it’s the female characters given these plots.
Vash’s appearances are all fun and good, the riker ep with the trans character is good by the standards of the time but kind of a miserable watch nowadays.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
In the episode with Evil Kess, Tom gets a reaction shot where he's told his wife is dead, and he makes a :shepface: face for like a second before it cuts away to Kess eating the warp core or whatever she was doing, and I think about it all the time

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
lol kess

full disclosure i hated neelix but i could never get past how the show constantly was like btw y’all he’s loving a smart three year old

Sedgr
Sep 16, 2007

Neat!

Yeah, it makes a certain amount of sense to go "I know, shes a reverse Elf! Instead of being long lived, they have a very short life!" when creating the character and either they never thought that all the way through, or they did and its worse.

External Organs
Mar 3, 2006

One time i prank called a bear buildin workshop and said I wanted my mamaws ashes put in a teddy from where she loved them things so well... The woman on the phone did not skip a beat. She just said, "Brang her on down here. We've did it before."
Do we ever talk about how quickly Talaxians age? Maybe Kes is the pedophile here.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Sedgr posted:

Yeah, it makes a certain amount of sense to go "I know, shes a reverse Elf! Instead of being long lived, they have a very short life!" when creating the character and either they never thought that all the way through, or they did and its worse.

for however weird it/the fans got, mass effect was at least smart enough to make the mayfly people asexual amphibians

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

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External Organs posted:

Do we ever talk about how quickly Talaxians age? Maybe Kes is the pedophile here.

Neelix is reborn anew each morning

DJ_Mindboggler
Nov 21, 2013

StashAugustine posted:

for however weird it/the fans got, mass effect was at least smart enough to make the mayfly people asexual amphibians

They saved all the weird age gap stuff for the Asari (when they aren't getting with Krogans).

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




drilldo squirt posted:

That episode where they have a tall buff good looking guy as adult Westly make me lol.

Wesley has brown eyes, but adult Wesley has blue eyes. Nobody thinks this is weird. It's literally impossible that casting couldn't find a tall buff good looking guy with brown eyes. Therefore changing your eye colour must be no big deal. QED.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Sedgr posted:

What episode in all of Trek has the biggest swing between good A/B plot and bad? Meridian is a good example where the Quark/Kira plot is fun but the Dax plot is just loving torturous.

It isn’t Trek but I don’t think anything will ever top TKO from Babylon 5.

The Ascent has a pretty bad B plot compared to an enjoyable A. Quark and Odo marooned on a desolate planet, forced to work together (and ultimately failing), desperate heroics, great dialogue. Meanwhile back on the station best friends Jake and Nog aren’t getting along!

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
hey, if you could get free and effortless cosmetic surgery to go from looking like adult wil wheaton to that guy, why wouldn't you?

Sourdough Sam
May 2, 2010

:dukedog:
I thought the Weyoun defector/ get Sisko's desk back ep felt like a bit of a tonal whiplash.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Kibayasu posted:

It isn’t Trek but I don’t think anything will ever top TKO from Babylon 5.

Grey 17 is Missing's A | B plot disparity in quality is far worse than TKO's, holy poo poo.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Yea, TKO's A plot is just Bloodsport The B5 Episode. Which is fine, that's a fine movie. Not great.

Grey 17 is missing though, is way worse. Especially since the A plot is not the one with the most of the main characters and actually progresses the story arch of the show. That's the B plot.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Sourdough Sam posted:

I thought the Weyoun defector/ get Sisko's desk back ep felt like a bit of a tonal whiplash.

There's tonal whiplash but they're both fantastic

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
The currents of the Great Material Continuum can be treacherous.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Feb 22, 2022

sweet geek swag
Mar 29, 2006

Adjust lasers to FUN!





CainFortea posted:

Yea, TKO's A plot is just Bloodsport The B5 Episode. Which is fine, that's a fine movie. Not great.

Grey 17 is missing though, is way worse. Especially since the A plot is not the one with the most of the main characters and actually progresses the story arch of the show. That's the B plot.

Grey 17 is missing's A plot is the dumbest thing. Just completely stupid from concept to execution.

The B plot has Neroon, and any plotline with Neroon can't be all bad.

External Organs
Mar 3, 2006

One time i prank called a bear buildin workshop and said I wanted my mamaws ashes put in a teddy from where she loved them things so well... The woman on the phone did not skip a beat. She just said, "Brang her on down here. We've did it before."

Arc Hammer posted:

The currents of the Great Material Continuum can be treacherous.

Hey look! The best plot in all of Trek!

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


sweet geek swag posted:

Grey 17 is missing's A plot is the dumbest thing. Just completely stupid from concept to execution.

The B plot has Neroon, and any plotline with Neroon can't be all bad.

The B plot is great. That's the point, having an A/B plot that is Terrible/Great

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

Sourdough Sam posted:

I thought the Weyoun defector/ get Sisko's desk back ep felt like a bit of a tonal whiplash.

They're totally different but they're thematically similar. They're both about faith and holsing onto faith when things seem hopeless.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Epicurius posted:

They're totally different but they're thematically similar. They're both about faith and holsing onto faith when things seem hopeless.

And Gene would have hated it specifically for using faith. I'm honestly impressed that episode made it past Berman. They must have filmed it while he was too busy watching Voyager.

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

Arc Hammer posted:

And Gene would have hated it specifically for using faith. I'm honestly impressed that episode made it past Berman. They must have filmed it while he was too busy watching Voyager.

Roddenberry would have hated DS9 in general. A Starfleet officer finds out he's the messiah of an alien world, and over time, comes to embrace that? The space station's second in command actively resenting Starfleet? Characters with different values arguing about them? Ferengi women actually trying to get equal rights and realizing they can do more than just serve men?

Would have hated it.

Epicurius fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Feb 23, 2022

Automatic Slim
Jul 1, 2007

Epicurius posted:

Roddenberry would have hated DS9 in general. A Starfleet officer finds out he's the messiah of an alien world, and over time, comes to embrace that? The space station's second in command actively resenting Starfleet? Characters with different values arguing about them? Ferengi women actually trying to get equal rights and realizing they can do more than just serve men?

Would have hated it.

Roddenberry was all about examining how advanced cultures interact with less developed ones. The premise would’ve been up his alley.

The delivery, not having a morality of it defined, not so much.

Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Feb 23, 2022

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Arc Hammer posted:

And Gene would have hated it specifically for using faith.
gene mutst have been rolling in his grave when enterprise came out

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Ghostlight posted:

enterprise

star trek: america

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Ghostlight posted:

gene mutst have been rolling in his grave when enterprise came out

The trick would have been to only show him In a Mirror Darkly so he could ogle Empress Hoshi.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
he'd be sold by the first decon gel scene. you think that being dead would stop roddenberry from gettin' horny?

Prurient Squid
Jul 21, 2008

Tiddy cat Buddha improving your day.
The straw millionaire episode where Nog initiates a series of trades is amazing.

Here's a meme I made for the Simpsons thread.

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Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

DJ_Mindboggler posted:

They saved all the weird age gap stuff for the Asari (when they aren't getting with Krogans).

To be fair, they at least engaged with it somewhat. I kinda liked the random conversation you can bump into between an Asari and her Salarian father about not wanting to have "the Lifespan Talk". (Salarians live, on average, about 40 years. Asari live to around 900).

They also have the Asari "teenagers" actually behaving like teenagers for that span of their life and everyone treating them as such. Despite being like 50 years old.



Sedgr posted:

Yeah, it makes a certain amount of sense to go "I know, shes a reverse Elf! Instead of being long lived, they have a very short life!" when creating the character and either they never thought that all the way through, or they did and its worse.

What did it in was the back-filling, I think. Caretaker sets it up to look like she's subjectively probably like 19-20, basically trying to Luke Skywalker her way out on an adventure on Voyager. But then like season 2-ish they start inferring that 1 Ocampan Year == Ten Human years of age (presumably as a nice clean analogy for how the series will progress and she'll be a 70-year-old woman by the last season) and oh dear she's not even two, and was only barely 1 at the start so oops :yikes:.

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