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metachronos
Sep 11, 2001

When I roll, baby I roll DEEP
Is the launchkey 25 a good choice for a novice who just wants to gently caress around in FL studio? It'll be my first midi controller and it looks like a good mix of features and price.

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Blowdryer
Jan 25, 2008

metachronos posted:

Is the launchkey 25 a good choice for a novice who just wants to gently caress around in FL studio? It'll be my first midi controller and it looks like a good mix of features and price.

I've read that 25 keys are lame you shouldn't buy one because you need more keys for a keyboard to actually be useful. I use FL and I would probably only ever use a keyboard to play out melodies or chords and knobs to control automations over time.

But I am a noob at producing so :shrug:


edit; also heres an update of my new techno/house/2step/whatever song, reworked some drums and added some transitional elements.
*snip* https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/skewer/s-AKebQ new link! little work on the mix and changed a hat

Blowdryer fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Nov 20, 2013

FadedReality
Sep 5, 2007

Okurrrr?

Blowdryer posted:

edit; also heres an update of my new techno/house/2step/whatever song, reworked some drums and added some transitional elements.
https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/testno/s-hAOoP

Now this sounds like it would be right at home on Artwork's Rinse.FM show.

I think I'm calling this one done: https://soundcloud.com/sutehx/corrode-v2/s-RxpPn

Can anyone help me figure out what the gently caress type of music I've made? I've been listening to a poo poo ton of Tempa and Uprise Audio dubstep lately but that's only inspired me and I don't think I've made anything remotely close to deep/minimal dubstep.

Blowdryer
Jan 25, 2008
New deep track (what a surprise): https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/stan-1/s-buxOx

I've only just started working on it, cut up my acapella into 64 samples (more than ever before!). I don't know if I'm going to stick with that synth but I'm going for an organ/deep house chord at least. I'm really liking how it sounds so far though!

Blowdryer fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Nov 23, 2013

xpander
Sep 2, 2004
Here's a new thing we wrote, tried to go a bit housier this time:

https://soundcloud.com/glyphrojas/big-times

(tech/prog house)

Thoogsby
Nov 18, 2006

Very strong. Everyone likes me.
still doing the sample tinng
https://soundcloud.com/goobermusic/grizzly-knoll

field balm
Feb 5, 2012

FadedReality posted:

Now this sounds like it would be right at home on Artwork's Rinse.FM show.

I think I'm calling this one done: https://soundcloud.com/sutehx/corrode-v2/s-RxpPn

Can anyone help me figure out what the gently caress type of music I've made? I've been listening to a poo poo ton of Tempa and Uprise Audio dubstep lately but that's only inspired me and I don't think I've made anything remotely close to deep/minimal dubstep.

It's dubstep of some sort. Cool sounds, but needs more progression for 5 minutes.

xpander posted:

Here's a new thing we wrote, tried to go a bit housier this time:

https://soundcloud.com/glyphrojas/big-times

(tech/prog house)

This is awesome, I love this sort of tech house. Great production! Is the bass fm or just distorted?

I was working on a 2-step release for a while but I'm ditching it all, finished my degree so some more time to work on some deep traxxx.

FadedReality
Sep 5, 2007

Okurrrr?

field balm posted:

It's dubstep of some sort. Cool sounds, but needs more progression for 5 minutes.

I'm bad at judging that sort of thing. I always feel like I err on the side of too much variation on a theme and lose any sort of familiarity to the melody.

field balm
Feb 5, 2012

FadedReality posted:

I'm bad at judging that sort of thing. I always feel like I err on the side of too much variation on a theme and lose any sort of familiarity to the melody.

Don't worry about it, I do the same thing, reduce 8 minutes to 2 and a half and realise the parts are completely disparate. It's hard to be objective about structure after several hours work.

I know it sounds lame but a reference track can really help, even just as a queue for when to introduce a new element or whatever.

FadedReality
Sep 5, 2007

Okurrrr?

field balm posted:

Don't worry about it, I do the same thing, reduce 8 minutes to 2 and a half and realise the parts are completely disparate. It's hard to be objective about structure after several hours work.

I know it sounds lame but a reference track can really help, even just as a queue for when to introduce a new element or whatever.

I did that, but it was a super minimal dubstep track that I forgot about beyond major phrasing and then chopped a full minute from. I've seen so few articles or discussions about composition around considering how vital a part of making music it is.

Thoogsby
Nov 18, 2006

Very strong. Everyone likes me.
Moar stuff.
https://soundcloud.com/goobermusic/slang-wrk_drft

Thanks to whoever left feedback on the track I posted earlier, appreciate it.

Blowdryer
Jan 25, 2008

Thoogsby posted:

Moar stuff.
https://soundcloud.com/goobermusic/slang-wrk_drft

Thanks to whoever left feedback on the track I posted earlier, appreciate it.

That's me!

Can you guys help me decide between these two?

https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/stan2/s-0Rx76

https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/stan/s-buxOx

The difference is at 4:35 but comes in fully at 5:05. In the first link I keep the first note of the melody of the chords coming in as G# because thats the key of the song.

In the 2nd, it's D# but I like how it sounds more. If do that one is that like musically incorrect like switching keys in the middle of the song or something? (did this: https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/stan3/s-FQlji )

I also might just remake the stabs going over the 4:35-5:05 section so they fit with the D# chords, I don't know! The main thing is if I start doing that then would that mean I'm switching the key?


https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/stan decided!

Blowdryer fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Nov 24, 2013

breaks
May 12, 2001

I haven't had a chance to listen to any of it but there is nothing "musically incorrect" about changing keys or using notes from outside of the key in the middle of a song. All manner of borrowing from and modulating to other keys happens in music as a whole. Outright modulation isn't common in dance tracks, but in any case, you aren't strictly limited to the notes from X key for a whole track.

ashgromnies
Jun 19, 2004
G# -> D is a tritone substitution actually which is a common modulation in jazz music, interestingly.

That Dang Dad
Apr 23, 2003

Well I am
over-fucking-whelmed...
Young Orc
Went back to trying my hand at just straight techno. It's interesting trying to the simple dancey techno thing while also trying to stay fresh or interesting. Composing alone in a room makes for a weird experience trying to project yourself into a club or whatever https://soundcloud.com/gkchestertron/skeleton-gas

ashgromnies
Jun 19, 2004

Anal Surgery posted:

Went back to trying my hand at just straight techno. It's interesting trying to the simple dancey techno thing while also trying to stay fresh or interesting. Composing alone in a room makes for a weird experience trying to project yourself into a club or whatever https://soundcloud.com/gkchestertron/skeleton-gas

I like this, it's sci-fi cyberpunk as gently caress.

I started on this https://soundcloud.com/seesub-1/clickety-wip/s-7y1wZ some sort of techno/house thing. Haven't bothered sequencing the automation yet. I think the kicks might be too loud?

cubicle gangster
Jun 26, 2005

magda, make the tea
I started this some time ago and only just finished it off. bit of an experiment in giving my sounds more space to breathe and play off each other without getting over-layered.

https://soundcloud.com/downpour/untitled-1

e: I also started an experiment in stealing all melody/midi from from classical music, but it's still early days. Surprisingly slow going, but when it works it works GREAT.
It's bare and underdeveloped because I uploaded it for a friend, but this is effectively a remix of stravinsky's 'spring rounds'. not that you'd be able to tell if I hadn't said anything.
https://soundcloud.com/downpour/stravinsky

cubicle gangster fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Nov 27, 2013

xpander
Sep 2, 2004

field balm posted:

This is awesome, I love this sort of tech house. Great production! Is the bass fm or just distorted?

Thanks! We distort pretty much everything, and I think all the bass layers were made in Diva. We've used FM8 in the past, but Diva is currently blowing our minds.

Blowdryer
Jan 25, 2008
Goons I need help!

So the label that contacted me finally let me know they'd like to sign this track, however I have to put some work onto it so it's good enough for them (currently it isn't).

https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/on-and-on/s-qMYYU

This is the feedback I got on it:

"tops arent flat on the track and if you can add a little more dynamics
Also the kicks and bass frequencies are a bit off
maybe deepen the vocals a bit, transpose it"

I'm assuming by tops aren't flat that means the song isn't the same volume throughout the whole track, like it isn't normalized? I don't know how to make the whole track the same volume can someone give me some tips?

I also don't know what she means by the kick and bass frequencies are off.

I'd like to get this track released, if any of you pro producers could give me some help that would be great!

friendly gentleman
Jul 8, 2007

UH, THIS ISNT YOUR DOG IS IT
Is the Dance Music Manual still a recommended read for someone who wants to explore this stuff?

FadedReality
Sep 5, 2007

Okurrrr?

friendly gentleman posted:

Is the Dance Music Manual still a recommended read for someone who wants to explore this stuff?

From what I've read the Third Edition is even better. The more daunting synthesis stuff has been moved further back in the book, which made the person writing the review pretty happy and seems like a good idea.

Quincy Smallvoice
Mar 18, 2006

Bitches leave

Blowdryer posted:

Goons I need help!

So the label that contacted me finally let me know they'd like to sign this track, however I have to put some work onto it so it's good enough for them (currently it isn't).

https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/on-and-on/s-qMYYU

This is the feedback I got on it:

"tops arent flat on the track and if you can add a little more dynamics
Also the kicks and bass frequencies are a bit off
maybe deepen the vocals a bit, transpose it"

I'm assuming by tops aren't flat that means the song isn't the same volume throughout the whole track, like it isn't normalized? I don't know how to make the whole track the same volume can someone give me some tips?

I also don't know what she means by the kick and bass frequencies are off.

I'd like to get this track released, if any of you pro producers could give me some help that would be great!

None of that makes much sense... I suspect this person isnt actually a producer or have much of a clue how to actually communicate in a way that makes sense technically.

If you're dead set on this label; ask the person to be a little more specific. There's a very specific lingo for this and you cant just make poo poo up!

That said, if you hit me up I can probably get this sent around abit for ya. Send it through the proton label pool and such. (40-50 labels, dunno exactly.) I always get 4-5 offers from that run around.

The Mechanical Hand
May 21, 2007

as this blessed evening falls don't forget the alcohol
https://soundcloud.com/neonshudder/anxiety-attack

First track I've worked on in a while. For my third EP I'm working on under the "neon shudder" moniker (http://neonshudder.bandcamp.com)

It's a little more aggressive than the other stuff I've done. I'm just not sure if the kick really fits and the little synth line that pops up at around 15 seconds in. I like the synth line I'm just not sure that's the right synth for it. Working with reason 5.0 here. I'll figure it out. Any input is great though.

Lavender Philtrum
May 16, 2011

Blowdryer posted:

Goons I need help!

So the label that contacted me finally let me know they'd like to sign this track, however I have to put some work onto it so it's good enough for them (currently it isn't).

https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/on-and-on/s-qMYYU

This is the feedback I got on it:

"tops arent flat on the track and if you can add a little more dynamics
Also the kicks and bass frequencies are a bit off
maybe deepen the vocals a bit, transpose it"

I'm assuming by tops aren't flat that means the song isn't the same volume throughout the whole track, like it isn't normalized? I don't know how to make the whole track the same volume can someone give me some tips?

I also don't know what she means by the kick and bass frequencies are off.

I'd like to get this track released, if any of you pro producers could give me some help that would be great!

This song feels kind of off key to me. Sometimes that's a good thing but the whole song feels like it's not jiving with its constituent parts.

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Blowdryer posted:

I also don't know what she means by the kick and bass frequencies are off.

Make sure your kick and bass are in the same key. Ideally don't have the kick on the root note of the key the bass is in.

That Dang Dad
Apr 23, 2003

Well I am
over-fucking-whelmed...
Young Orc

ashgromnies posted:

I started on this https://soundcloud.com/seesub-1/clickety-wip/s-7y1wZ some sort of techno/house thing. Haven't bothered sequencing the automation yet. I think the kicks might be too loud?

This was groovy. I added a comment on your soundcloud.


My latest struggle in electronic music composition is wrestling with BPM. I know all the preferred ranges you're supposed to maintain for various genres, but I keep doing that thing where I decide I want the track faster and faster until I hit 200 bpm and realize I probably need to move my drum hits down into the sixteenth notes and stop trying to compose at hardstyle tempos.

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.

Dessert Rose posted:

Make sure your kick and bass are in the same key. Ideally don't have the kick on the root note of the key the bass is in.

I'm still learning how to do this in FL Studio, is the reasoning behind this so that the bass and kicks don't feel muddy together?

Number Two Stunna
Nov 8, 2009

FUCK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTnD9-GZ_d8

how do you make singing computer voices like this?

Lavender Philtrum
May 16, 2011

Number Two Stunna posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTnD9-GZ_d8

how do you make singing computer voices like this?

Heavily autotuned text to speech. Not sure exactly which ones. It might also be a program specifically designed for this, but if it is, I don't know what the name of the program/plugin is.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Number Two Stunna posted:

how do you make singing computer voices like this?
Virsyn Cantor

Here's a demo snippet from the site.

It's like $300; I think a licence to Melodyne would be a lot more useful and interesting at that price.

You could gently caress around with some free autotuning plugins, like GSnap, they'll give you nothing but syntheticness anyway, if that's what you're looking for.

Also, not the same thing, but vocoders are a way to get voices to sound more synthetic.


EDIT: I guess if you just want to do a few lines (instead of making a career out of it), there are online demo's of text-to-speech synthesizers. You could record their results, cut them up and autotune them.

Flipperwaldt fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Dec 1, 2013

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Flipperwaldt posted:

EDIT: I guess if you just want to do a few lines (instead of making a career out of it), there are online demo's of text-to-speech synthesizers. You could record their results, cut them up and autotune them.

Every single mac has the "say" command you can use in Terminal. It has options to select one of half a dozen voices or so, and you can feed it text files to say anything you want.

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

bad posts ahead!!! posted:

I'm still learning how to do this in FL Studio, is the reasoning behind this so that the bass and kicks don't feel muddy together?

Pretty much, yes. You can tell what pitch a kick is, even if it's not as obvious as melody, and it stands out more if it's not in the same key as your bass.

You don't have to have the melody in the same key as the kick, necessarily, but the bass should definitely not deviate from it.

Lump Shaker
Nov 20, 2001

Blowdryer posted:

Goons I need help!

So the label that contacted me finally let me know they'd like to sign this track, however I have to put some work onto it so it's good enough for them (currently it isn't).

https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/on-and-on/s-qMYYU

This is the feedback I got on it:

"tops arent flat on the track and if you can add a little more dynamics
Also the kicks and bass frequencies are a bit off
maybe deepen the vocals a bit, transpose it"

I'm assuming by tops aren't flat that means the song isn't the same volume throughout the whole track, like it isn't normalized? I don't know how to make the whole track the same volume can someone give me some tips?

I also don't know what she means by the kick and bass frequencies are off.

I'd like to get this track released, if any of you pro producers could give me some help that would be great!

Agreed with Quincy. That feedback doesn't really make that much sense. Or maybe it does but it just reads weird. Not sure what tops are and why you would want them flat - that seems to conflict with the comment about dynamics.

aeverous
Nov 13, 2009

Lump Shaker posted:

Agreed with Quincy. That feedback doesn't really make that much sense. Or maybe it does but it just reads weird. Not sure what tops are and why you would want them flat - that seems to conflict with the comment about dynamics.

Tops are usually any drums or percussion that isn't the kick, snare and clap (and maybe toms). They're called tops because they're more often than not occupying the upper frequency range, like hi-hats or crashes.


Anyway, heres something i churned out today in a fit of productivity. I'm pretty pleased overall but i'd really like some second opinions, any and all criticism welcome: https://soundcloud.com/addec/beenalongtime-1

I think the bassline may be problematic but I really can't tell after listening to the same 4 bars for 5 hours.

e: Also, copying the structure of other tracks is absolutely amazing if you're stuck and dont know where to take a song!

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003
New music! http://soundcloud.com/wayfu/wayfinder-color-filter/s-ILTIV

field balm
Feb 5, 2012

aeverous posted:

Tops are usually any drums or percussion that isn't the kick, snare and clap (and maybe toms). They're called tops because they're more often than not occupying the upper frequency range, like hi-hats or crashes.


Anyway, heres something i churned out today in a fit of productivity. I'm pretty pleased overall but i'd really like some second opinions, any and all criticism welcome: https://soundcloud.com/addec/beenalongtime-1

I think the bassline may be problematic but I really can't tell after listening to the same 4 bars for 5 hours.

e: Also, copying the structure of other tracks is absolutely amazing if you're stuck and dont know where to take a song!

This is pretty cool, but I feel like it could be nudged up a couple of bpm. I like the second half but I feel like the bass sound isn't strong enough to support the first half.


Not my favourite style dude but outstanding production and sound design as usual.

Here's a WIP of a little techy-house number I've been working on, needs better mixing and transitions: https://soundcloud.com/fieldbalm/bwip. I'd love to hear your opinions on it.

E: VVVVVVV it was set to private, thanks for letting me know, fixed! That song is awesome. What do you use on your master bus, if I can ask, or would you attribute most of your sound just to high quality mixing?

field balm fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Dec 2, 2013

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003

field balm posted:

Not my favourite style dude but outstanding production and sound design as usual.

Here's a WIP of a little techy-house number I've been working on, needs better mixing and transitions: https://soundcloud.com/fieldbalm/bwip. I'd love to hear your opinions on it.

Thanks! Maybe this new tech house track is more for you:

http://soundcloud.com/wayfu/wayfinder-the-bishop-effect

Yours doesn't seem to work though...

Blowdryer
Jan 25, 2008
^wayfinder you're too good at everything.


I'm reaaaaaallly trying to get in the 90s deep house sound, I wish I was better at this stuff but here we go, my latest attempt! It's not like fully mixed but this is the first run through for arrangement.

https://soundcloud.com/swanconnley/all-night/s-ZSuAc

Blowdryer fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Dec 3, 2013

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003

field balm posted:

Here's a WIP of a little techy-house number I've been working on, needs better mixing and transitions: https://soundcloud.com/fieldbalm/bwip. I'd love to hear your opinions on it.

E: VVVVVVV it was set to private, thanks for letting me know, fixed! That song is awesome. What do you use on your master bus, if I can ask, or would you attribute most of your sound just to high quality mixing?

Thanks :) I don't have much on the master bus, usually just analysis plugins to see if what I'm mixing works, and then a bit of loudness boost/peak limiting to get it to release level loudness (but I do that after I'm done with everything else and they're not there when I actually make the track).

I've recently started looking into Limiter No. 6 (http://vladgsound.wordpress.com/plugins/limiter6/) and BoostX (http://www.directap.com/boostx.htm, yes that is seriously the web site), two free plugins that could help me streamline that a bit more.

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Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



wayfinder posted:

BoostX (http://www.directap.com/boostx.htm, yes that is seriously the web site)
Fixed your link, you left a comma in there.

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