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TBeats posted:I'd play gay chicken with you How do you find gay chickens?
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Naked Bear posted:Thanks to the Army, I can no longer lose at gay chicken. I tell some people we better not play because we're just going to end up loving.
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spacetoaster posted:How do you find gay chickens? Come here and let me show you :bigtran:
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Mr. Nice! posted:I tell some people we better not play because we're just going to end up loving. You must've been in 2-9IN in Korea. Manchuuuuuuuuuuu~!
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not caring here posted:You must've been in 2-9IN in Korea. Nah just the navy.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Nah just the navy. Well that's just cheating when you play gay chicken.
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So after working in S3 for a few months now, how the hell did the Army function before widespread computer use? The amount of poo poo that comes down from BDE every week is ridiculous, I have no idea how you could keep track of it all otherwise. Even with all the fancy excel trackers and whatnot poo poo still slips through the cracks sometimes.
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Because back then they didn't have the means of tracking every tasking down to each minute detail, and commanders were actually allowed to command without BDE and higher digging into petty statistics in DTMS. I remember hearing from a former BDE commander that a company commander has to access over 19 different systems nowdays to do his job- its insane.
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pretty sure i remember reading some stephen ambrose book where he was literarilly fellating the greatest generation and he said our boys did so well in combat due to the freedom junior officers and ncos were given, vs the dirty hun bastards who needed approval from higher and it robbed them of the initiative is technology enabling our military to become micro-managing nazis is what im asking
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Mustang posted:So after working in S3 for a few months now, how the hell did the Army function before widespread computer use? The amount of poo poo that comes down from BDE every week is ridiculous, I have no idea how you could keep track of it all otherwise. Even with all the fancy excel trackers and whatnot poo poo still slips through the cracks sometimes. Remember how after the industrial revolution they exclaimed we'd all have 5 hour work weeks because every bit of necessary labor was so easily accomplished through automation? And instead of appreciating that, we just invented new useless tasks to fill our days with, so that we're way more "productive" than ever before, but most of us hate our lives? Yeah.
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:pretty sure i remember reading some stephen ambrose book where he was literarilly fellating the greatest generation and he said our boys did so well in combat due to the freedom junior officers and ncos were given, vs the dirty hun bastards who needed approval from higher and it robbed them of the initiative It was less that freedom was given to them and more that they didn't give a gently caress about getting yelled at by some jackass who was a baker 18 months ago and played it all by ear
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Mustang posted:So after working in S3 for a few months now, how the hell did the Army function before widespread computer use? The amount of poo poo that comes down from BDE every week is ridiculous, I have no idea how you could keep track of it all otherwise. Even with all the fancy excel trackers and whatnot poo poo still slips through the cracks sometimes. I was in back then, and am in right now. I often ask myself how did we get to the point we're at now. At the company level I never saw anyone above the battalion lvl (and even BN lvl ppl were a rare sight). BDE was just a rumor we used to scare new LTs. Real answer: Decisions were just delegated down to the company level unless it was life or death. For paperwork we had a big file cabinet that had every form in it. When you took the last form you had to go make 10 copies of it and put them back in the cabinet. Awards and OER's had to be mailed off to HQ to be approved or signed (you're writing had better be good). Also, handwritten forms were totally acceptable.
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During deployment it was still very much the case. Yeah you still got a constant string of emails asking for stupid stuff, but between the near daily network outages and battalion/brigade/division level leadership not having the time or desire to visit every single outlying area, company grade officers and E6s/E7s still had about a thousand times more authority than they did back in garrison.
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I feel like a dick sometimes because I"m the one bothering people for stupid stuff. Other people bother me for stupid stuff which in turn makes me bother even more people for stupid stuff
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the military is an ouroboros of people making other people do stupid stuff
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:the military is an ouroboros of dicks
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Mustang posted:I feel like a dick sometimes because I"m the one bothering people for stupid stuff. Other people bother me for stupid stuff which in turn makes me bother even more people for stupid stuff This really reminds me. We were off-cycle with the rest of the battalion, so our higher headquarters for most of the deployment left about 2 months before we did. Anyway, a whole new headquarters came in and of course proceeded to have to re-learn everything. At the time, I was transitioning back from Ghazni and had to arrange a white truck convoy to get my 30 pieces of heavy equipment back to BAF to be sent up north. Not wanting to get caught up in the turmoil of the new battalion figuring out their rear end from a hole in the ground, I filed the paperwork directly with the MCT and got transport queued up, making sure to note this in the daily SITREPs I forwarded up the chain. One of those under the employ of the HHC was a 2LT assigned to the S3 in charge of coordinating movement who took his job very seriously and got to work figuring out which platoons were in the process of moving between locations. Inevitably, he dredged up something that listed my departure dates and that I was going to need transport. Like a good servant of the S3 shop, he went ahead and submitted all of the relevant paperwork to get the process started. Like a college intern, he neglected to contact me to ensure that I actually needed help. As all white truck resources for our AO had already been assigned to transporting 30 pieces of heavy equipment on that particular day, his request was denied. He frantically called up our operations sergeant and freaked out, saying that we were going to be stuck because there were no resources available to move us. I double checked with the MCT, who assured me that we were still fine, and went so far as to show me the contract. Still, at the S3 shop this setback was problematic to the battalion's effort to relocate the bulk of its equipment north to Mazar i Sharif for a major project. The particular project that the battalion was supporting at Mazar i Sharif was part of a multinational effort involving the German and Norwegian contingents at the base. Upon hearing that construction would be delayed, their regimental commanders reached up through their chain, which went straight up to the theatre level. All of the sudden, I find myself receiving a phonecall from an O6 at the ISAF G3 demanding to know why I'm not doing everything in my goddamned power to get my equipment up to Mazar i Sharif to help the Germans build a wall between the Afghans and the rest of the base so that they can continue to enjoy drinking beer and dancing in their discotheques. I then received a phonecall from the brigade wanting to know the same. This is finally followed up an hour later by the very same 2LT calling me to let me know that someone "really high up" would be calling me to help me get my equipment back to BAF. I later found out that he had submitted no fewer than five requests for white truck convoys from Ghazni, each of which specified a different unit. To the MCB, it appeared that a total of six different entities were requesting 180 civilian white trucks and the requisite number of convoy escort teams to carry 180 pieces of equipment north to BAF all on the same days. So of course they kept saying hell no. Don't be that 2LT. psydude fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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hey army dudes i slept in until 1030 today hope you guys enjoyed PT
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We had to hike camelback mountain. Fml
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Went to my first ACAP class. I finally see the light at the end of the tunnel. I just hope it isn't a
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Aranan posted:Went to my first ACAP class. I finally see the light at the end of the tunnel. I just hope it isn't a You're almost there 
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Justin Tyme posted:my one and only class today is right around when you army guys get out for the day 
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True story after kicking our asses with the hike and other BS they let us go at noon. I'm already working on getting drunk. The army had half a day.
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Geirskogul posted:True story after kicking our asses with the hike and other BS they let us go at noon. sounds like a good army day also buster in the army was the best part of AD for me
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:sounds like a good army day It was definitely the best part of the Netflix season, too
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Zeris posted:Remember how after the industrial revolution they exclaimed we'd all have 5 hour work weeks because every bit of necessary labor was so easily accomplished through automation? Remember how were going to be "paperless" by the end of the 1990s?
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MightyJoe36 posted:Remember how were going to be "paperless" by the end of the 1990s? And now it's nearly impossible to get everything done on time because nobody has access to a computer and internet at all times and places. Not to mention the fact that there are a lot of Soldiers that can barely use a mouse and keyboard. Much less negotiate some arcane DoD website.
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spacetoaster posted:And now it's nearly impossible to get everything done on time because nobody has access to a computer and internet at all times and places. To be fair I think the bigger problem is dod websites more so than stupid soldiers. You know those fuckers can navigate pornhub flawlessly.
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TBeats posted:To be fair I think the bigger problem is dod websites more so than stupid soldiers. Typing "TITS!" into a search window requires significantly less training than epps or dtas.
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At work we finally got these tablets for charting (I'm an EMT), and we are finally truly paperless. Touchscreen signatures, and any paperwork they give us we take photos of and do a camera scan, and shred the paper.
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Geirskogul posted:At work we finally got these tablets for charting (I'm an EMT), and we are finally truly paperless. Touchscreen signatures, and any paperwork they give us we take photos of and do a camera scan, and shred the paper. Yeah, but what do you do if there's no power?  *fake edit* Seriously though, is there a backup? I've worked everything from hurricanes and wildfires to tornados and floods. Electricity and internet aren't guaranteed.
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If it comes to that we'll do a paper chart, but it has to be converted and entered into the system when it's up. We physically have no way of billing paper charts anymore (AMR bought us)
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My org is paperless to the point where they're publishing a monthly report of who printed x amount of pages (it's all tied to your CAC) and anybody over 10 pages/month gets shamed. It's a DoD medical research org so being paperless or close enough to it is a big deal for us. The future is finally here.
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spacetoaster posted:Typing "TITS!" into a search window requires significantly less training than epps or dtas. There is not a single sin in the user-oriented IT design world that these web sites are not guilty of to astonishing degrees. They are a textbook-perfect case of someone going down the "what not to do" check list and hitting every single one of them. If it had not always been on the receiving end of some commander flipping their poo poo over the color of an excel box they would have been glorious to behold as works of performance art.
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SumYungGui posted:There is not a single sin in the user-oriented IT design world that these web sites are not guilty of to astonishing degrees. They are a textbook-perfect case of someone going down the "what not to do" check list and hitting every single one of them. If it had not always been on the receiving end of some commander flipping their poo poo over the color of an excel box they would have been glorious to behold as works of performance art. Did I ever tell you guys I did a few years as a G-1 in a major command? I had Generals/CSMs sitting at my desk getting personal training from me on how to do the new OER and NCOER. And these aren't stupid people. It's so rear end backwards that you can't do it intuitively. I shiver whenever I think about what companies must be going through with epps right now.
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Hey when I figured out which programmer decided that rejected evaluations shouldn't have all the signatures auto-stripped so you have to call or text or Email EVERYONE to make the fix, Imma strangle that nerd. I mean probably not but gently caress that person.
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mlmp08 posted:Hey when I figured out which programmer decided that rejected evaluations shouldn't have all the signatures auto-stripped so you have to call or text or Email EVERYONE to make the fix, Imma strangle that nerd. My conspiracy theory is that the companies that contract to make these programs intentionally make them terrible so they can have continuous money coming in for "updates".
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