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All right dude, I was responding to a post that has nothing to do with you but you do you. It was nothing to do with pedantry and was literally what was posted. Have a good one.
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CLAM DOWN posted:All right dude, I was responding to a post that has nothing to do with you but you do you. It was nothing to do with pedantry and was literally what was posted. Have a good one. Why are you doing a lovely fishmech impression
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Oct 29, 2018 18:04
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A Typical Goon posted:Why are you doing a lovely fishmech impression Who/what is that? What are you talking about?
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Oct 29, 2018 18:06
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CLAM DOWN posted:Who/what is that? What are you talking about?  lol
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Oct 29, 2018 18:10
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Helsing posted:So yes, the people who intentionally dismantled that system despite repeated warnings about what would happen do deserve a lot of blame for the entirely predictable result. https://twitter.com/Kathleen_Wynne/status/1000867823189716993
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Oct 29, 2018 18:12
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CLAM DOWN posted:All right dude, I was responding to a post that has nothing to do with you but you do you. It was nothing to do with pedantry and was literally what was posted. Have a good one. Someone expressed an entirely reasonable concern that our current government is whistling past the graveyard and could easily be replaced by something way worse in the near future, and your response was this snarky comment about how they should take their meds. It's pedantic because you misread a very reasonable and well founded concern about the political direction of the country as some kind of specific prediction about who would win the next election when the guy you're quoting was very obviously just picking the most prominent conservative leaders of the moment and using them as metonyms for the far right, but you treated it as a prediction of who will win the next election.
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Oct 29, 2018 18:14
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Helsing posted:Someone expressed an entirely reasonable concern that our current government is whistling past the graveyard and could easily be replaced by something way worse in the near future, and your response was this snarky comment about how they should take their meds. It's pedantic because you misread a very reasonable and well founded concern about the political direction of the country as some kind of specific prediction about who would win the next election when the guy you're quoting was very obviously just picking the most prominent conservative leaders of the moment and using them as metonyms for the far right, but you treated it as a prediction of who will win the next election. Yup, obviously I misread it and interpreted it in a way that you didn't. Didn't expect you to explode at me with such hostility like this, when I wasn't speaking to you nor you to me in any way. I apologize, then.
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Oct 29, 2018 18:15
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If she'd had the self-awareness to resign and retire to Mars two years ago, so a half-deflated pool noodle could run in her place, her party would still be trying to do those things, and that annoys me.
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I often feel like Canada couldn’t possibly fall into the same polarized, ignorant, conspiracy-loving cesspool that we see in the U.S., but then I read stuff like the replies to this fairly innocuous Coyne tweet and I start to question that. Who the hell are these people? How on earth do they believe this stuff? How much money do they think Soros has? https://twitter.com/acoyne/status/1056723243489386496?s=21
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Oct 29, 2018 18:22
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For anyone looking at the results in Brazil and how it might reflect on our own upcoming elections, this is worth reading: This Is How We Radicalized The World. While the far right has no qualms about subverting social media algorithms and other shady (or outright illegal) methods, the left sits around discussing what recourse we have. People in this thread have been pointing out how awful the comments sections have become -- it's pretty much a certainty that a significant portion of those are political noise put forward by "troll factories". We need trustworthy sources of news more than ever, yet they are closing down one by one for lack of funding. I wish it left me with anything positive to say. e: case in point ^^^^^ Jan fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Oct 29, 2018 |
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flakeloaf posted:If she'd had the self-awareness to resign and retire to Mars two years ago, so a half-deflated pool noodle could run in her place, her party would still be trying to do those things, and that annoys me. Right but she's done nothing wrong so there's no reason for us not to like her so we are the bad guys and she shouldn't have to resign so gently caress you have some doug ford.
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Oct 29, 2018 18:26
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Jan posted:For anyone looking at the results in Brazil and how it might reflect on our own upcoming elections, this is worth reading: This Is How We Radicalized The World. Yeah I’m pretty sure the easy answer to my question is “bots”, but a lot of the responses actually seem to be from legitimate accounts.
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Oct 29, 2018 18:32
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bub spank posted:Yeah I’m pretty sure the easy answer to my question is “bots”, but a lot of the responses actually seem to be from legitimate accounts. No, the easy answer to your question is that there isn't actually that big a cultural difference between Canada and America. Canadians and Americans are just as susceptible to polarization, ignorance, conspiracy theories, and radicalization. There is far less of a difference than mainstream Canada likes to pretend there is, especially since Canadians absorb so much American and general Anglosphere culture through television and the internet. 4chan and Reddit don't care whether you're Canadian or American, they radicalize you all the same. Facebook will slot you into a filter bubble where all you see are conspiracy theories just as easily whether you're Canadian or American or British. There are some institutional differences between our two countries that lead to these processes playing out in slightly different ways. For example, the fact that we have more than two political parties means our politics gets funneled in slightly different directions than the US two-party system, where a somewhat larger proportion of the population is willing to fall in line and believe whatever Donald Trump says because he's the guy leading their party. But the processes of online radicalization that lead to people believing conspiracy theories like "George Soros is part of a Jewish conspiracy to destroy the developed world" are more or less identical.
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Oct 29, 2018 18:42
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Helsing posted:I don't know what's dumber, thinking you can predict an election a year before it happens or thinking that as long as something is at least half a decade away then everything is cool and good. I’m not going to speak to Canadian politics and I know things are dire right now, but please tone it down a bit. Also, hello Canadian thread. I’ve never posted here before. I am Lightning Knight, your new D&D mod for so long as the forums gods allow.
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e: ^ quote:He has directed much of his ire at homosexuals. He said he'd rather see his son die in an accident than come out as gay, adding he could never love a gay son. "If a gay couple came to live in my building, my property will lose value. If they walk around holding hands, kissing, it will lose value!" he said in an interview with Playboy magazine. A man whose arrival the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation says is good.
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Oct 29, 2018 19:09
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Oct 29, 2018 19:21
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Demonstrably justified and ancient.
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Oct 29, 2018 19:45
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I say we adopt the most Canadian solution to bots: All online comments must be validated with a skill testing question.
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Oct 29, 2018 19:52
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thehoodie posted:Would you vote for an honest to god socialist if the NDP managed to actually run one? For sure I would. But right now I’m voting for the least worst option that has the highest chance electorally to win. The NDP have betrayed my expectations repeatedly and are very ineffectual in most elections. I’m sick of wasting my vote and watching Tories win. I won’t vote NDP until they start running like Corbynites rather than libbier liberals.
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Jan posted:For anyone looking at the results in Brazil and how it might reflect on our own upcoming elections, this is worth reading: This Is How We Radicalized The World. I hate how many people are fixating on social media when all the bad trendlines taking us to where we are now started before the rise of modern internet culture and the links between economic crisis and political extremism were already well understood seventy years ago. All the racist myths about welfare and policing, the panic over Muslim immigration, the endless propaganda placing blame on the poorest and most vulnerable populations for their own problems, the implicit racialization of poverty and criminality, the contempt for democracy, the obsession with easy fixes and strongmen leaders, it all came from the mainstream media. Why the gently caress are people acting like social media is the key to understanding this situation? In a few decades every media platform with any significant reach got gobbled up by a small handful of profit driven corporations and wealthy investors, and those new media conglomerates proceeded to cheerlead for practically every military disaster and economic catastrophe of the last twenty years while ignoring any leftwing solutions and giving a giant platform to increasingly right-wing demagogues... and you choose to zero in on social media? Kraftwerk posted:For sure I would. But right now I’m voting for the least worst option that has the highest chance electorally to win. By this 12 dimensional chess logic you should probably vote for Scheer since being in power might compel conservative media outlets and stakeholders to be less tolerant of the alt-right. Stephen Harper pulling the Alliance voters into a union with the Progressive Conservatives and then destroying any freedom of speech, thought or debate within the new party probably did more to fight the rise of the Canadian alt-right than anything the Canadian liberalism has accomplished, and Trudeau's election was probably one of the biggest boosts the alt-right could have asked for for recruiting and fundraising.
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Oct 29, 2018 20:23
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Jordan7hm posted:There’s basically no difference between Trudeau and Hitler when you think about it. I can admit that, while right wing, the Libs are to the left of the literal Nazis, if that makes you feel better.
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Helsing posted:I hate how many people are fixating on social media when all the bad trendlines taking us to where we are now started before the rise of modern internet culture and the links between economic crisis and political extremism were already well understood seventy years ago. By mainstream media here, I assume you're focusing specifically on Postmedia rags? Because much like the political landscape, there are a handful of more centrist publications, leaving the left-wing a media desert. The centrist media, at least in the francophone world, haven't been trotting out those stances in the extent you're suggesting. In some misguided obsession with showing ~both sides~, some of them will publish neo-liberal op-eds on occasion, but nothing as egregious as the Suns pinning every problem in the world on the back of Trudeau. Unfortunately, I'm not old enough to have experienced this mythical fairy tale world where media platforms weren't owned by wealthy corporate interests. But I have been around long enough to see the progression of mainstream media before and after the rise of social media and online distribution. There's definitely been a shift in the editorial tone of mainstream media in order to try to reach as many readers as possible by focusing on content more "shareable" and easily digested. In order to keep their heads above the water, media is forced to adapt, and that includes dumbing down across the board. Someone in this thread (probably you, Helsing) was recently making the argument that politics is all about the allocation of material resources. Left-leaning policies tend to favour redistributing these resources to best give equal opportunities to everyone, whereas right-wing ones focus on individualism and the illusion of opportunity, where everyone could potentially be wealthy if they just work hard enough. The level of discourse necessary to communicate right wing ideas and demonize the left is a lot simpler than that of the other way around. "The government wants to take your money and give it to those poors!" vs. "By taking a portion of your income, the government can give you and others access to better health, better education that may in turn make you richer and/or happier." So, by having to adapt their content, it follows naturally that the message of traditional media loses that nuance. Before social media, people would subscribe to newspapers that generally best suited their views. Sometimes they'd read differing views when randomly reading a different paper "in the wild" at their office, in a cafe, etc. or maybe in their paper's debate and editorials section. But as a whole, media was able to take an editorial stance and stand by it. You'd talk to friends, family and coworkers about some bit of news and although you might have arguments and disagreements about it, it's generally harder to call them "retarded shitdicks" if they disagree with your viewpoint in person. Enter social media. With the anonymity of the Internet, you can call people all the dumb names you want for having dissenting viewpoints. And not only that, but you can do it with other similar-minded anonymous people! There is a strong reinforcement effect from seeing these comments and anyone trying to argue otherwise suddenly seems wrong not by virtue of their argument, as you would in a one-on-one conversation, but because they contradict all these other comments on the same page. Add to that the presence of algorithms constantly weighing the content presented to you in order to make you more likely to click or share it. Someone seeing an article they agree with might push "Like" and then keep scrolling, whereas seeing an opposite viewpoint will make them click the article, skim the first few lines and then scroll down to the comments to be vindicated in how wrong the article is! And Facebook/Google pocket a few fractions of a cent, times millions. Why do you think left-wing articles, tweets, etc. are more likely to be followed by negative right-wing comments, and vice versa? The far right understands this and hardly even waste time writing actual articles, let alone factual ones. A stupid meme or dogwhistle tweet is far more likely to reach a wider audience than any well thought out argument. Social media might not be the source of this political climate, but it absolutely is its catalyst. Helsing posted:Trudeau's election was probably one of the biggest boosts the alt-right could have asked for for recruiting and fundraising. Now imagine if an actual left-leaning, labour focused NDP had been elected instead.
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History: A series of people failing to learn the same lessons over and over again. I think a problem with the whole Nazi thing (specifically Nazi Germany, not the modern resurgence) is that the way it's been depicted culturally there is a LOT of "we know they're bad now so we ALWAYS knew they were bad" because nobody on the winning side of the war really wanted to admit their own culpability for enabling the rise of Nazism. It's been treated as just this inevitable, unstoppable force that rose and needed to be beaten down, rather than one that easily could have been smothered in the crib if the wealthy elites of the world hadn't been quite so comfortable in aligning with the radical right to stave off the left. It's easier to just pretend that we all knew they were evil the whole time and it was just the German people who were deceived. This depiction has left us completely unequipped to deal with fascists because we just think "we'll know it when we see it" - and to be fair a lot of people do, but not ENOUGH. People aren't willing to recognize the obvious when doing so means they have to take account of their own beliefs and the people they've supported in the past who paved the road that led to the extremists taking power. I mean, obviously there's a pretty large segment of people who are just totally fine with Nazis anyway, but those aren't the people giving them all the free media exposure and puff pieces that try to minimize the threat they pose because "oh they can't REALLY be Nazis, look how good they are for the economy".
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So just got my first shipment of actual government bud a bit ago. I'd ordered a CBD thing day one just to see what the service looked like, this was the first time ordering weed proper. TRIP REPORT: LEGAL GOVERNMENT WEED - Only a handful of products available on the website, everything else out of stock. Basically need to order from the "whats new" page. - Some of the products on the website just have blank values for the CBD / THC mg/ml or percentage comparisons, and no real descriptions. You'd have literally no idea what you're buying. - Go ahead and order one sativa and one indica each from the limited selection, both strains from big name publicly traded LP Aphria. - Shipping is dispatched pretty quick. - Delayed by one day due to strike action. - Mailman arrives, apologizes for delay, hands over same unnecessarily oversized 1ftx1ft package. - Mentions these are totally clogging up the system, just an especially unlucky timing coinciding with the work stoppages. - Express solidarity and wish luck to the mailman. - Retreat to goon cave, move rock back over entrance. - Examine package. - Weed is contained in non smell proof medicine bottle style plastic containers, themselves placed in paper shipping tube type constructions with the same labeling for no apparent reason. - Upon examination of the weed: immediate disappointment - Visually, appears to be what we would have called "mids" on the west coast 10 years ago. - Grey market mail order for the last 5 years or so had very dense, rich buds. Packaging material was minimized and subtle, double vacuum packed, and didn't require signing for. - These buds were leafy and light in comparison - Sample buds using standard method - Test results: mids - Conclusion: government is now selling us the domestic beer equivalent of weed - Recommendation: bring back craft weed
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Congrats to Calgary on dodging a bullet.quote:Council’s Olympic committee will be asked Tuesday to withdraw from negotiations for a cost-sharing agreement to fund the 2026 Winter Games, cancel the Nov. 13 plebiscite and end any further work on a bid.
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Can we just put the entire IOC on an international arrest-on-sight list and just let lovely dictatorships with something to prove have the Olympics and then make an aggressively not-for-profit "Olympics 2" that's just a fun international sporting event where sponsorships, marketing, and profit-seeking of any sort of banned?
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I genuinely don't think the NDP is going to shake itself out of its stupor to come around to this position. Andrea Horwath had to take an astoundingly unpopular Liberal government and Doug Ford and couldn't pull it off.
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Dreylad posted:I genuinely don't think the NDP is going to shake itself out of its stupor to come around to this position. Andrea Horwath had to take an astoundingly unpopular Liberal government and Doug Ford and couldn't pull it off. Uh actually I think you will find that this election was a huge success and a record number of voters chose the NDP to be their government in waiting. Any day now their slow and steady approach will lead to the NDP forming government. There are a number of ridings they almost won! With a bit more money they'll be able to almost win even more ridings next time!
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Baronjutter posted:Can we just put the entire IOC on an international arrest-on-sight list and just let lovely dictatorships with something to prove have the Olympics and then make an aggressively not-for-profit "Olympics 2" that's just a fun international sporting event where sponsorships, marketing, and profit-seeking of any sort of banned? You’re thinking of the Workers' Olympiads.
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The Butcher posted:So just got my first shipment of actual government bud a bit ago. I'd ordered a CBD thing day one just to see what the service looked like, this was the first time ordering weed proper. Day 12, Still no government weed. I feel like it's shipped based on how close you are to the shipping location or something, and if somebody closer orders, they get priority. I expect mine to arrive in 2019, to hear that black friday, followed by cyber monday and the entire Christmas rush all caused unexpected acts of god to occur to the shipping lines.
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Vic "dipshit" Fedeli says it's because drug dealers didn't properly report their sales, so they had no idea there was so much demand.
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Syfe posted:Day 12, Still no government weed. OCS customer service is telling people that they’re not fulfilling orders chronologically so you may be right.
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infernal machines posted:Vic "dipshit" Fedeli says it's because drug dealers didn't properly report their sales, so they had no idea there was so much demand. Good lord almighty, that is powerfully stupid.
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“All of the cannabis store assumptions were made… based on illegal data, illegal information from illegal sales.. and guess what, the criminals lied to us, they did not properly report their sales, if you can imagine that happening, so our assumptions of course were based on all illegal sales.”PT6A posted:Good lord almighty, that is powerfully stupid. Welcome to Ontario
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The Butcher posted:So just got my first shipment of actual government bud a bit ago. I'd ordered a CBD thing day one just to see what the service looked like, this was the first time ordering weed proper. More or less my experience as well. I haven't really smoked regularly since high school ~15 years ago when all we cared about was if it was actually weed and somewhat close to a real gram instead of 0.6g or something. So I ordered some high-end stuff from a BC mail-order, sent in an OCS order, and the difference was pretty clear. At least I got my shipment though!
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Dreylad posted:I genuinely don't think the NDP is going to shake itself out of its stupor to come around to this position. Andrea Horwath had to take an astoundingly unpopular Liberal government and Doug Ford and couldn't pull it off. Didnt the Liberals basically spend the last month of the campaign propping up Ford and all out attacking Horwath and the NDP? Horwath still sucks but its not like there wasnt a very effective and coordinated campaign from the other 2 parties to discredit her as much as humanly possible.
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Furnaceface posted:Didnt the Liberals basically spend the last month of the campaign propping up Ford and all out attacking Horwath and the NDP? Horwath still sucks but its not like there wasnt a very effective and coordinated campaign from the other 2 parties to discredit her as much as humanly possible. They did https://twitter.com/OntLiberal/status/998907912629227520?s=19 https://twitter.com/Tom_Parkin_/status/997413606835867648?s=19 SayNoToNDP also had a website
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