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Baronjutter posted:Unless it's relating to pipelines.
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Ford is say now to offset the freeze of the min wage, Min Wage Workers won't pay income tax next year. But for a min wage worker, income tax isn't the biggest tax they pay, it's sales tax.
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Oct 31, 2018 02:22
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He said it before too. a) it doesn't offset the amount they lose by not making $15/hr b) they still have to pay federal income tax
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Oct 31, 2018 02:25
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THC posted:Actually, the Kinder Morgan TMX approval incorporated "the best available science and indigenous traditional knowledge" "The story passed down to us from generations of elders says that after many generous gifts from Raven, Bear told Salmon he wanted a bitumen pipeline to run right over this part of the river one day."
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Oct 31, 2018 02:28
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infernal machines posted:He said it before too. a) it doesn't offset the amount they lose by not making $15/hr b) they still have to pay federal income tax He said it just so his chuds in in the suburbs can go "lucky poors, don't have to pay income tax!" and get angry.
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Oct 31, 2018 02:33
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What part of "For the people" don't you get?
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Oct 31, 2018 02:37
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infernal machines posted:What part of "For the people" don't you get? We are not people, I get reminded that every day. Like this is going to be literally a Lucky Ducky comic.
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Oct 31, 2018 02:39
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twistedmentat posted:Ford is say now to offset the freeze of the min wage, Min Wage Workers won't pay income tax next year. But for a min wage worker, income tax isn't the biggest tax they pay, it's sales tax. So how is this being implemented? Is it just a tax cut for the lower bracket?
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Oct 31, 2018 02:55
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A tax rebate on the provincial portion of the income tax, I don't think there are any specifics out yet.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:07
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Tsyni posted:So how is this being implemented? Is it just a tax cut for the lower bracket? Nah cause that would cut it for everybody quote:“Under the PC government, if you’re making minimum wage, you will pay zero per cent tax,” Ford said. “We will introduce a minimum wage tax credit so those struggling just to get ahead will pay no taxes whatsoever.” The fun thing with this one is that it actually might make the higher tax bracket boogeyman real. If you make $14.01, do you still qualify for the refund? Are they going to scale down to a certain income? What if I get paid way more than minimum wage but only work a few hours and still make < $29k a year? There's nowhere on income tax forms to submit your hourly wage (i think), just income. What if you work a lot of OT for time and a half. Such an exciting and interesting time to be alive.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:12
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Lol @ min wage workers getting time and a half, ever.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:17
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Nah cause that would cut it for everybody Yeah that's what I was getting at though. Like the Liberal "middle class" tax cut we got. Was just curious because it wouldn't surprise me if they did something like that.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:22
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infernal machines posted:Lol @ min wage workers getting time and a half, ever. I got it at the gap. On boxing day.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:29
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infernal machines posted:Lol @ min wage workers getting time and a half, ever. Well, they're always telling us that if we had less pay, we could work more hours! And yea, I'm not sure how they'll figure it out. It will probably be a giant disaster. The funny thing is giving people 15$ an hour would put money into the government, because we poors have to buy stuff to, and if we have more money, we'd buy more poo poo! Conservative logic seems to be that money only goes out, never comes back. Probably because the investor class they interact does just hoard it.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:30
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Oh thank you Doug for the tax credit instead of putting the money in my hands directly with an actual wage increase. 
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Oct 31, 2018 03:39
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Postess with the Mostest posted:I got it at the gap. On boxing day. How many years ago was that?* UnknownMercenary posted:Oh thank you Doug for the tax credit instead of putting the money in my hands directly with an actual wage increase. Yeah, but now the government gets less money too, win-win *I don't know about retail, but their logistics centers don't even have part-time employees any more, everyone is a labour agency temp now. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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Oct 31, 2018 03:40
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This tax credit has nothing to do with helping minimum wage workers, it's all about weakening government by restricting its income, basic grover norquist stuff. The next step will be to push up the provincial part of the HST to make up the shortfall because that burdens lower income people more. Alternately, make the tax to complex to actually get, so people can dismiss those earning minimum wage because they get to 'pay no taxes' despite non of them being able to jump through the hoops to actually not pay income tax (divide and conquer strat).
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Oct 31, 2018 03:50
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EoRaptor posted:This tax credit has nothing to do with helping minimum wage workers, it's all about weakening government by restricting its income, basic grover norquist stuff. The next step will be to push up the provincial part of the HST to make up the shortfall because that burdens lower income people more. Alternately, make the tax to complex to actually get, so people can dismiss those earning minimum wage because they get to 'pay no taxes' despite non of them being able to jump through the hoops to actually not pay income tax (divide and conquer strat). Cut taxes. Oh no, huge defecit, we need to cut social programs that help the poor!
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Oct 31, 2018 03:53
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infernal machines posted:How many years ago was that?* This canadian masterpiece had just dropped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNyKDI9pn0Q
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Oct 31, 2018 04:09
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https://twitter.com/CBCQueensPark/status/1057445378159771649 Congrats to Brampton on somehow becoming the dumping ground where failed conservatives go to die
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Oct 31, 2018 04:15
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Brampton has always been poo poo, but they actually managed to elect some NDP the last time round, provincially. Of course, then they elected Patrick Brown mayor, so who loving knows. Postess with the Mostest posted:This canadian masterpiece had just dropped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNyKDI9pn0Q Yeah, times have changed man, minimum wage jobs have somehow gotten worse in the last 20 years.
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Oct 31, 2018 04:19
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infernal machines posted:Brampton has always been poo poo, but they actually managed to elect some NDP the last time round, provincially. Huh? Every job I've ever worked has been time and a half during stat holidays. I know that it's the law at least in Manitoba and Ontario
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Oct 31, 2018 04:46
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My mistake, I forgot stat holidays are always time and a half, "ever" was the wrong word. Does that apply to temp labour contractors too?
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Oct 31, 2018 04:49
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As long as the bosses pretend to pay us we will pretend to work.
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Oct 31, 2018 04:51
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I remember posting this a while back during the election, the Doug Ford plan has two parts: 1) minimum wage people make less money because the rebate on provincial taxation is lower than the additional money they would have made from making $15/hour. 2) this redirects the cost for helping minimum wage people from their employers to the government. So even if you assume the two things are exactly equal, which Ford pretends, then it's $500 million less for the government and $500 million more for businesses. Since this policy isn't coming apropos of nothing but as a replacement for a minimum wage increase, the actual end result is the government handing half a billion dollars to businesses, which is exactly the kind of result you should expect from a conservative government.
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Oct 31, 2018 06:06
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Tonight in "we're better than America" news: Canada Border Services Agency moves to 'substantially' increase deportations Next up: separating babies from their parents.
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Oct 31, 2018 06:42
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It may seem simplistic to say that Canada is always just 5 or 6 years behind doing exactly what America does, but it sure does seem to pan out pretty consistently. Right now our Obama is doing the same thing their Obama did and getting away with it in the same way. Prime Minister Doug ford is not too far away.
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Oct 31, 2018 07:15
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10,000 deportations a year is our goal? Why? What's the point? Relative to our total population, that's essentially "loving no one." People with serious criminal records* aside, just let them loving stay, who gives a poo poo? Why spend time or money removing people who just want to stay here and become part of Canadian society? * By which I mean "we can prove you did this serious crime," not "uhhh... their home country said they did a bad thing for political reasons."
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Oct 31, 2018 13:27
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PT6A posted:* By which I mean "we can prove you did this serious crime," not "uhhh... their home country said they did a bad thing for political reasons." This includes escaped Russian scientists, right?
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Oct 31, 2018 13:33
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flakeloaf posted:This includes escaped Russian scientists, right? I'm not sure which case you're referring to, but, yeah, I wouldn't trust the Russian government's word when it come to "these people are CRIMINALS please return them at once!"
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Oct 31, 2018 13:43
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PT6A posted:10,000 deportations a year is our goal? Why? What's the point? Relative to our total population, that's essentially "loving no one." People with serious criminal records* aside, just let them loving stay, who gives a poo poo? Why spend time or money removing people who just want to stay here and become part of Canadian society? I guess the idea is if people don't qualify for refugee status we should deport them. And since we're falling behind an edict was issued to help move things along. I think the real issue is liberal internal polling show that this is an important issue and the party will lose a lot of support if they don't start enforcing our laws.
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Oct 31, 2018 13:45
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EngineerJoe posted:I think the real issue is liberal internal polling show that this is an important issue and the party will lose a lot of support if they don't start enforcing our laws. How many people who are deeply invested in 'more deportations' will be swayed by this? I find it difficult to imagine that furthering the xenophobic politics that demand more deportations will meaningfully help them. Or be good at all.
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Oct 31, 2018 13:57
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PT6A posted:I'm not sure which case you're referring to, but, yeah, I wouldn't trust the Russian government's word when it come to "these people are CRIMINALS please return them at once!" tack on "so we can kill them" and you're there. https://ottawacitizen.com/pmn/news-...31-730a915c760a quote:Russian scientist Elena Musikhina and her supporters are pleading with the Trudeau government to let her stay in Canada on compassionate grounds — with time rapidly running out. Musikhina believes her family fell into disfavour with Russian authorities for condemning Moscow’s military incursions in Ukraine and for saying Russia illegally annexed Crimea. In addition, Musikhina says her research work uncovered information about serious environmental hazards and pollution from military activity around the large freshwater Lake Baikal in Siberia.
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ChairMaster posted:It may seem simplistic to say that Canada is always just 5 or 6 years behind doing exactly what America does, but it sure does seem to pan out pretty consistently. I think it's more accurate to say we're always either 5-10 years ahead or 5-10 years behind. Occasionally we get to things ahead of the states.
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Oct 31, 2018 14:11
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flakeloaf posted:tack on "so we can kill them" and you're there. Environmental scientist, likes dogs, occasionally pisses off fascists? I'm willing to trade her for up to three other Albertans if Putin will grease them instead.
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Oct 31, 2018 14:35
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Hell, they'll love it there, it's like their Graceland. A national petrostate run by a "business-oriented" dictator with no concern for environmental regulations.
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Jan posted:Tonight in "we're better than America" news: Canada Border Services Agency moves to 'substantially' increase deportations "Cages for children good news for Canadian steel and manufacturing sectors" - CBC News, tomorrow ChairMaster posted:Right now our Obama is doing the same thing their Obama did and getting away with it in the same way. Prime Minister Doug ford is not too far away. Are we at the part now where we get complacent and laugh about how Ford could never become Prime Minister? That part sounds like fun.
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Oct 31, 2018 14:47
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InfiniteZero posted:"Cages for children good news for Canadian steel and manufacturing sectors" That's not how it works. Ford is Jeb Bush. Even if we think we know who our Trump is, he's so far out of right field no one is even considering him yet.
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Oct 31, 2018 16:23
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Jonny Nox posted:That's not how it works. Ford is Jeb Bush. Even if we think we know who our Trump is, he's so far out of right field no one is even considering him yet. Ezra Levant.
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Jonny Nox posted:That's not how it works. Ford is Jeb Bush. Even if we think we know who our Trump is, he's so far out of right field no one is even considering him yet. How do you even define a Trump? The guy has been in power for two years, hasn't crashed the economy, started any wars or done anything too crazy that being Trumpish will mean anything in 20 years. In terms of us getting "a Trump", what is the obvious effect that would have on us and why do we want to avoid it? Also Justin Trudeau is our Trump.
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