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Necc0 posted:Someone post that insane coordinated outer take on train that a pro team (I think fnatic?) did last year. Train owns at higher levels because of poo poo like that. Play at that level so rare it's pretty much irrelevant, and even they don't want to play it. Just make Mirage pretty please 
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Stumbletron posted:The only difference is that the box is now unchecked by default (and it's on the second page)? I can't find any information about this one way or another and I can't test it until after work, but based on the mouseover descriptions it sounds like the 'reserves' maps don't count towards your competitive play statistics (and possibly your MM rank as well) if you play them. But yes you can still queue for them if you want.   (and yes I know the 'stats' thing is referring to the operation badge tracking stuff) edit: actually now that I think about it not counting cs_ maps towards your MM rank would actually be a good change if that's the case
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Apogee15 posted:IMO train is way less fun to pug than nuke. It requires a lot more teamwork or you get killed from behind or the side. Split outside, throw a smoke under T-Z train to block bomb carrier in mid from Ivy/2 train and a smoke from T spawn to block Ivy/1 train, plant behind the semi-smoked yellow barrel, defend. CTs play so passive on train so those smokes generally cut off 4/5 of the team. I hate going inside on pugs because if one person dies at upper/lower ramp it frightens the entire team and everyone freezes or backs off.
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Any map owns at higher levels once it's been played as much as train. You'd see more interesting strategies on mist than on train if you gave pros 10 years to work on it.
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At least GO train's not the 13-2 2-13 snoozefest it used to be in 1.6
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mcvey posted:Split outside, throw a smoke under T-Z train to block bomb carrier in mid from Ivy/2 train and a smoke from T spawn to block Ivy/1 train, plant behind the semi-smoked yellow barrel, defend. CTs play so passive on train so those smokes generally cut off 4/5 of the team. I feel an effort post brewing on maintaining pressure / forward momentum against single defenders. In a nutshell for new players: If someone in front of you gets picked or fired upon that should make you want to push forwards even faster, not back off. The defender is both occupied and exhausted a significant portion of their magazine and you need to be pushing forwards to take advantage of that. Hanging back will only allow the defender to reload/regain composure while the rest of the team gets a better read on your position and tightens the noose.
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Some specific "go you idiot/nono what are you doing" examples of this would be cool. I've been trying to trade whenever a teammate dies near/with me but my spotty aim can make it a bit of an uphill battle.
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Jul 2, 2014 14:58
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I love train.
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Stumbletron posted:Some specific "go you idiot/nono what are you doing" examples of this would be cool. I've been trying to trade whenever a teammate dies near/with me but my spotty aim can make it a bit of an uphill battle. It's really one of those things that only comes with experience as the difference between those two scenarios can be fractions of a second. Essentially you need to be able to visualize the fight you can't see and how it will play out in your head while still controlling yourself. That's something that only comes with a lot of hours played under your belt. So say you're at lower ramp at inner train. You hear gunshots and see that your teammate at upper is engaging. In a split second you need to know where the enemy is, where your teammates are, what their future actions will most likely be based on all the different ways their gunfight will play out, and where the best place for YOU to be as a result of those scenarios. In most cases rushing down ramp and into site, paying attention to Z entrance of course, is your best play: -Your teammate is killed by the time you hit lower ramp: you can continue to put pressure on the defender who is now much lower on ammo and in all likelihood on the move. Ideally your teammates will be covering other avenues for his escape. -Your teammate isn't killed and is still engaging: you can shoot the defender in the side of the head as it's now impossible for him to fire at both of you at once -Your teammate killed the defender: you're now in the site that much earlier and pushing forwards to set up a perimeter
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I still fully intend on doing Sunday demo reviews on Twitch for new players to watch. I'm in the middle of a move and haven't gotten my rig set back up yet. I even have my bamboo pad ready so I can John Madden it up.
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If it isn't at 4am or something (Australia :/ ) I'll be there
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I'll trim & publish them after the stream goes down as well. No worries
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Stumbletron posted:Some specific "go you idiot/nono what are you doing" examples of this would be cool. I've been trying to trade whenever a teammate dies near/with me but my spotty aim can make it a bit of an uphill battle. Can you see a teammate shooting at dudes/being shot at by dudes: push out and also shoot at dudes with your teammate Did you just watch a teammate peek a corner and immediately get awped: don't also peek the corner and immediately get awped edit: that first one should also include: did your teammate push through smoke and then die: don't loving follow him through the smoke you idiot astr0man fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Today I tried to do the first and got awped through my teammate 
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Stumbletron posted:Today I tried to do the first and got awped through my teammate Thaaaat's CS! 
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The Joe Man posted:Crates are dropping all over the place. This isn't as much of a goldrush as the other ones. I sold one for $4 yesterday because when I went to sell it there wasn't even a helpful graph. It sold in 30 minutes  Looking forward to making up the rest of the $6 I spent on the Operation badge tonight. New skins look cool, and I'm a big fan of this update in general. Relaxing flamenco music in T spawn Inferno, now just bring back Pavarotti in Italy  e: the Business Class skin might get me to use the USP-S again  
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Just got back from  day. Wallbanging's back? Shotgun buff?  You're the best valve. p.s. dust2 B site is closed for cts. Please email an application form to Daeno@Tsidedust2.ca to apply for entry past double doors.
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yeah all those things definitely make for a bad map(u r bad) perhaps its u... ur the autist who thinks anybody disagreeing with the decision to move train off of MM disagrees because of some bullshit 1.6 sanctity and not just because uh its a fun map. also, i had some fun playing a game on insertion last night, will play again. Tetramin fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Ricky Bad Posts posted:its a fun map. I would love to hear as to why Train is a good map quote:also, i had some fun playing a game on insertion last night, will play again. This map is so loving crazy, feel like I'm playing Day Z. Two thumbs up. Although it is t sided as all hell. down with slavery fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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down with slavery posted:I would love to hear as to why Train is a good map
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down with slavery posted:I would love to hear as to why Train is a good map because coordinated t aggression is rewarded handsomely and it feels good as hell to have a good site take on that map. almost as good as it feels to have a flawless A take on mirage. this prob doesn't meet up with most goons definition of a 'fun map' but thats why i enjoy playing it.
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Ricky Bad Posts posted:because coordinated t aggression is rewarded handsomely and it feels good as hell to have a good site take on that map. almost as good as it feels to have a flawless A take on mirage. I think a better way to put it would be that it "requires" coordinated t aggression which is why it kind of sucks as a mm map. I'm sure it will still be around in the "pros", on esea, etc. There's no reason to mourn it leaving MM. Coleman posted:I find Train to be an excellent map because it apparently severely annoys you that people dare like it. It's not annoying really, seeing as Valve kind of agrees with me on this one it's more vindicating than anything else.
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down with slavery posted:I think a better way to put it would be that it "requires" coordinated t aggression which is why it kind of sucks as a mm map. I'm sure it will still be around in the "pros", on esea, etc. There's no reason to mourn it leaving MM. Personally I think Train is a garbage map for the pug level of play, but it's still a dumb reason to remove it.
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Coleman posted:Personally I think Train is a garbage map for the pug level of play, but it's still a dumb reason to remove it. If it's garbage for pugs, why is removing it (from ranked play, you can still mm on train if you really really want to) from the explicit pug game mode a bad idea? Coleman posted:I really doubt Valve "agrees" with it, I would say that it's not played as much as the other maps, and they simply went with percentages. Yeah I bet that's how they make decisions at Valve. down with slavery fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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down with slavery posted:If it's garbage for pugs, why is removing it (from ranked play, you can still mm on train if you really really want to) from the explicit pug game mode a bad idea?
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Necc0 posted:Someone post that insane coordinated outer take on train that a pro team (I think fnatic?) did last year. Train owns at higher levels because of poo poo like that. Anyone?
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Coleman posted:But when you can pick and choose which maps to search for, why is removing it a required action? Don't pick it if you don't wanna play it. They are actively trying to funnel MM players to a limited set of maps to improve the MM times overall. Whether or not you agree with train being on that list is one thing but it's a good move to unrank the unplayed maps where it was becoming commonplace to queue there to attempt to boost ranks. Time will tell, but so far if you look at the estimate times for the reserve maps it looks like competitive Office is missed a lot more than competitive train 
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New train is awful. It's cramped, awkward to move around in, and the sightlines are, at the best of times, downright confusing. Atleast with nuke you can move around a bit and not have to memorize the 5000 corners/angles you can be shot from, and not have to worry about catching your hip on part of a ladder while strafing. Like why does A site even need a 2nd "heaven" spot? Just to make it even more impossible to defuse a bomb as CT? Sure it has its moments with a decent team but most of the time it's an awful slog.
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Train is still better than ~official competitive maps~ de_cbble and de_overpass.
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down with slavery posted:They are actively trying to funnel MM players to a limited set of maps to improve the MM times overall. Whether or not you agree with train being on that list is one thing but it's a good move to unrank the unplayed maps where it was becoming commonplace to queue there to attempt to boost ranks. Time will tell, but so far if you look at the estimate times for the reserve maps it looks like competitive Office is missed a lot more than competitive train quote:Competitive matchmaking will no longer consider matches with a very high skill group difference regardless of search time. They specifically fixed that "function", so it doesn't matter what maps are in there. The only people that would play Train are ones that want to play Train.
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Harry Potter on Ice posted:Anyone? They had it coordinated to the point that there was a flashbang going off every few seconds and they'd leapfrog past each other at each flash. It was nuts. Please someone has to know what I'm tolkein about
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mcvey posted:I can't think of a more unfun side in a PUG than T nuke. If you can coordinate an upper/ramp/out rush with some good smokes and flashes it's ok but still my least favorite. Maybe it will be better now with increased wallbang? I think wallbanging strength has been nerfed overall and mojo already posted about train possibly being adjusted Powerful Wizard IRL fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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I don't really care if wallbanging is nerfed or buffed, because at least it's loving consistent and based on materials now.
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astr0man posted:Train is still better than ~official competitive maps~ de_cbble and de_overpass. Overpass is actually pretty good after the changes and while I agree that cobble needs a lot of work (the courtyard outside of t spawn I'm looking at you) but it's come a great distance since it's original release and my games there have actually been pretty good. I'm not entirely sure I'm happy with the way that the drop into B halls as terrorists works either, it's one of those places where if the CTs don't shut it down every single round they will lose. Connector control is a bit too important in my eyes, I think removing it or maybe building some type of connection between the sniper nest in mid and where the drop is now.
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down with slavery posted:Overpass is actually pretty good after the changes and while I agree that cobble needs a lot of work (the courtyard outside of t spawn I'm looking at you) but it's come a great distance since it's original release and my games there have actually been pretty good. I'm not entirely sure I'm happy with the way that the drop into B halls as terrorists works either, it's one of those places where if the CTs don't shut it down every single round they will lose. Connector control is a bit too important in my eyes, I think removing it or maybe building some type of connection between the sniper nest in mid and where the drop is now. Yea, i tend to fall on the side of not removing train if you're going to keep cobble (haven't had fun in the few mm matches ive played on that ymmv) but overpass I played the other day and actually had... fun.
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Powerful Wizard IRL posted:I think wallbanging strength has been nerfed overall and mojo already posted about train possibly being adjusted It wasn't really nerfed, it was adjusted to be more uniform. There are some places where it got outright buffed. An AWP shot through double doors on dust2 is now a 1 shot kill through the door on an armored opponent. There are other boxes where at close range, an AK can one shot to the head through them now. But then some materials were made "stronger" and you can't wall through them at all (I think? not even the corners or anything.) So it was just made more uniform, nerfed in some areas, buffed in others.
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