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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Luckily, I guess, we already allow teachers to be armed and one of those school marshal programs so we don't have to have that tedious bad faith debate again.

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duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


Zil posted:

Wow, just wow.

Of course what are the kids supposed to do during a fire?

Shoot the fire, duh.

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

zoux posted:

Luckily, I guess, we already allow teachers to be armed and one of those school marshal programs so we don't have to have that tedious bad faith debate again.

Still mad about when they forced campus carry on all the public universities and exempted the private ones.

But don't worry! I can make my office a gun free zone :downs:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Yeah, gun wise, I can't think of any major NRA dick suck legislation that we haven't already passed besides constitutional carry

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

https://twitter.com/dallasnews/status/997607121788309505

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
I grew up next to Santa Fe. It is, next to Vidor, probably the most actively racist city in, at least, Southeast Texas. Everyone has racism, Santa Fe had an active Klan. Friends who had families who had jobs that took them around the county could point out the house of the guy in charge. Everyone knew what was going on in that city. It has always been a backwards, hateful powderkeg.

The stories we would hear would be of some minority family accidentally moving there for work and being harassed and run out of town in short order. Things like that. Their kids being beat up in the schools.

I did not exactly grow up in what you would think of as a progressive wonderland of equality and brotherly love, though it wasn't a bad place to be from all this considered, but even most of our rednecks shat on Santa Fe for being a shithole.

Anyway, when I saw this guy and they said he was bullied and that he was displaying Neo-Nazi stuff, I thought, "Oh he was just trying to fit in."

With that said, one thing America has proven in the last few years is that this could literally happen anywhere in America.

American exceptionalism is a Hell of a drug!

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007


Genuine question: is something like this enforceable?

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Badger of Basra posted:

Genuine question: is something like this enforceable?

My understanding is that trusts let you do whatever you want, it is wills that have to follow the law a bit more.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

lmao I missed this

https://twitter.com/dallasnews/status/997612458155171840

way to go DMN

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

ReindeerF posted:

I grew up next to Santa Fe. It is, next to Vidor, probably the most actively racist city in, at least, Southeast Texas. Everyone has racism, Santa Fe had an active Klan. Friends who had families who had jobs that took them around the county could point out the house of the guy in charge. Everyone knew what was going on in that city. It has always been a backwards, hateful powderkeg.

The stories we would hear would be of some minority family accidentally moving there for work and being harassed and run out of town in short order. Things like that. Their kids being beat up in the schools.

I did not exactly grow up in what you would think of as a progressive wonderland of equality and brotherly love, though it wasn't a bad place to be from all this considered, but even most of our rednecks shat on Santa Fe for being a shithole.

Anyway, when I saw this guy and they said he was bullied and that he was displaying Neo-Nazi stuff, I thought, "Oh he was just trying to fit in."

With that said, one thing America has proven in the last few years is that this could literally happen anywhere in America.

American exceptionalism is a Hell of a drug!
My father is from the area and said the white kids in his high school would attach Confederate flags to their cars and then drive through black neighborhoods. White-vs-black riots broke out at the school. Just a miserable experience. That was in the early 70s though but has doubtfully changed much.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Their mascot is the Indian.

Earth
Nov 6, 2009
I WOULD RATHER INSERT A $20 LEGO SET'S WORTH OF PLASTIC BRICKS INTO MY URETHRA THAN STOP TALKING ABOUT BEING A SCALPER.
College Slice
I've been reading this thread off and on for the last month or so and I can't think of any better place to ask this. I'm mildly considering a move to DFW area because of potentially more pay. I would hope that this would be a short term thing, but life doesn't always go the way you hope. So as part of my thought process I wanted to ask in real talk how bad is the DFW area for a left leaning person like myself? As for how left leaning am I. I guess I'd say the Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well. I think it'd be neat to have universal health care, free college, better education, and do what Germany does with holocaust denial except I guess ours would be trail of tears denial. Unrelated to politics, weather wise I think I'd be able to suffer it. I prefer cold climates, but for a couple of years I can suffer the heat I guess. Traffic wise I was down there a couple of weeks ago and I know it's bad. Is it always terrible? I wouldn't like that much.

Politics are important to me. I want to live in a place where I don't have to assume the people are complete poo poo before I get to talk to them. It'd be neat to live in a spot where people actually want to help those less fortunate instead of spit on them. Live in a place where racism isn't the norm. And so on and so forth. Then again it'd also be neat to be able to retire a little sooner...

Yeah, so should I move there if I don't have to? In real talk is the DFW area horrible or livable? I guess another way to ask it is are the vast majority of people down there Fox News zombies or actual critical thinkers?

litany of gulps
Jun 11, 2001

Fun Shoe

Earth posted:

I've been reading this thread off and on for the last month or so and I can't think of any better place to ask this. I'm mildly considering a move to DFW area because of potentially more pay. I would hope that this would be a short term thing, but life doesn't always go the way you hope. So as part of my thought process I wanted to ask in real talk how bad is the DFW area for a left leaning person like myself? As for how left leaning am I. I guess I'd say the Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well. I think it'd be neat to have universal health care, free college, better education, and do what Germany does with holocaust denial except I guess ours would be trail of tears denial. Unrelated to politics, weather wise I think I'd be able to suffer it. I prefer cold climates, but for a couple of years I can suffer the heat I guess. Traffic wise I was down there a couple of weeks ago and I know it's bad. Is it always terrible? I wouldn't like that much.

Politics are important to me. I want to live in a place where I don't have to assume the people are complete poo poo before I get to talk to them. It'd be neat to live in a spot where people actually want to help those less fortunate instead of spit on them. Live in a place where racism isn't the norm. And so on and so forth. Then again it'd also be neat to be able to retire a little sooner...

Yeah, so should I move there if I don't have to? In real talk is the DFW area horrible or livable? I guess another way to ask it is are the vast majority of people down there Fox News zombies or actual critical thinkers?

It's like ten million people spread over a vast area. Which part of DFW? What color are you?

Earth
Nov 6, 2009
I WOULD RATHER INSERT A $20 LEGO SET'S WORTH OF PLASTIC BRICKS INTO MY URETHRA THAN STOP TALKING ABOUT BEING A SCALPER.
College Slice
It's seven million people, south of the DFW airport area, and I'm white.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

Earth posted:

It's seven million people, south of the DFW airport area, and I'm white.

You’ll be fine. Join DSA North Texas when you get there, they’re good people.

JUST MAKING CHILI
Feb 14, 2008

Earth posted:

I've been reading this thread off and on for the last month or so and I can't think of any better place to ask this. I'm mildly considering a move to DFW area because of potentially more pay. I would hope that this would be a short term thing, but life doesn't always go the way you hope. So as part of my thought process I wanted to ask in real talk how bad is the DFW area for a left leaning person like myself? As for how left leaning am I. I guess I'd say the Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well. I think it'd be neat to have universal health care, free college, better education, and do what Germany does with holocaust denial except I guess ours would be trail of tears denial. Unrelated to politics, weather wise I think I'd be able to suffer it. I prefer cold climates, but for a couple of years I can suffer the heat I guess. Traffic wise I was down there a couple of weeks ago and I know it's bad. Is it always terrible? I wouldn't like that much.

Politics are important to me. I want to live in a place where I don't have to assume the people are complete poo poo before I get to talk to them. It'd be neat to live in a spot where people actually want to help those less fortunate instead of spit on them. Live in a place where racism isn't the norm. And so on and so forth. Then again it'd also be neat to be able to retire a little sooner...

Yeah, so should I move there if I don't have to? In real talk is the DFW area horrible or livable? I guess another way to ask it is are the vast majority of people down there Fox News zombies or actual critical thinkers?

The heat is miserable, but we have A/C here. There’s plenty of diversity, so you’ll find lots of MAGA shitheads in the suburbs, but lots of other people around too. There’s segregation from historical redlining, just like any other city. The traffic can be pretty bad, but you get used to it and once you learn where it’s bad you can avoid it, unlike Houston where the traffic is always bad everywhere. Cost of living is ok too, but there’s a smallish affordable housing shortage. If the pay raise is big enough it’s probably worth taking, but compare COL through wolfram alpha or something. There’s plenty of good restaurants, cultural spots, bars and entertainment throughout the metroplex too. And all four big leagues have a team here, plus MLS if you’re into that.

Definitely move here we need more liberals.

litany of gulps
Jun 11, 2001

Fun Shoe

Earth posted:

It's seven million people, south of the DFW airport area, and I'm white.

Well, have fun with the traffic. Every major highway is under massive construction. They'll be done in approximately 60000 years.

Edit: That's sort of specific to the DFW airport area. 183, 360, loop 12. It's really not that bad, I guess. I commute twice as far as some of my coworkers that live up in the northern suburbs, and it takes us the same amount of time. If you're going south or west, it's all good. If you're going east or north, I would recommend investing in a Mad Max style apocalypse semi-truck so you can plow through the traffic jams in style.

litany of gulps fucked around with this message at 03:00 on May 19, 2018

Earth
Nov 6, 2009
I WOULD RATHER INSERT A $20 LEGO SET'S WORTH OF PLASTIC BRICKS INTO MY URETHRA THAN STOP TALKING ABOUT BEING A SCALPER.
College Slice

JUST MAKING CHILI posted:

Definitely move here we need more liberals.

This isn't a good reason for me to move there. I want to be around more like minded people not less. The pay might be enough to forget about any of that poo poo though.

Do you guys allow smoking inside bars and what not?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Texas is bad, DFW sucks

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006
DFW is what you makr of it. The area is filled with people who just care about money and materialism and tend to act apart from the rest of Texas. As such, a lot of the Texas charm is absent from the city. But if you are there to make some money and gtfo then its fine. I am not really a fan of the metro at all, but it isn't terrible and there are pockets of diversity you can live in to avoid the worst of DFW.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

You're going to be very disappointed in Texas. Just see the reactions to today's shootings for the state's politics. North Texas dsa is good, Austin dsa is good, Houston dsa is good. But the state legislature is so bad that as soon as a group does something good locally, the lege reverses it. There are of course a mix of people like anywhere, but it can be disheartening.

Traffic will never get better. We don't fund highways enough so TXDOT only has enough money to patch problems or build a toll road. No true investments in better transportation systems.

It's hot. I'm not sure where you're coming from but this is going to be a hot and dry summer. 30+ 100 degree days with no rain for most of June July and August.

Good things: mild winters, pleasant spring and fall, lots of stuff to do in the big cities, major sports teams, tons of schools, airports that fly you anywhere in the world.

Although the area you are describing is maybe Arlington? That's one of the worst suburbs in my opinion. It's extremely segregated and has bad public transport.

But move here and help vote left and job the dsa groups and you'll very soon have a good group of comrades to organize with.

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

Although the area you are describing is maybe Arlington? That's one of the worst suburbs in my opinion. It's extremely segregated and has bad no public transport.

Ftfy. Grand Prairie might be more of what you're looking for. Granted, its been 11 years since I lived there.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
DFW is a huge sprawling megacity with people from all over the world, and people from open-minded places such as ... :stare: Fannin and Kaufman counties. Joking around. Basically it's a big mess and you have the biggest megachurch assholes in the country rolling in their vehicles alongside the most random assortment of people you'll find in any other kind of surreal metropole. It is massive and kind of has everything but you have to drive a bit to get there.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Was talking to a friend who is a Seattle socialist and he said about Dallas, and Texas generally, that 80-85 percent of the people are nicest, friendliest people he's ever met but the other 15-20 percent are the biggest douchebags in the universe. They are a pox and they are often, but not exclusively, terribly insecure men who drive lifted pickup trucks.

This article from a few years ago about a Breitbart-fueled Islamophobic campaign in Irving (near where you seem to be relocating) is pretty good at capturing the weirdly discordant vibe of the place:

quote:

The strange thing about Irving’s acquired reputation as a symbol of white reaction and Texan xenophobia is that Irving seems spectacularly unsuited to either: It’s one of America’s most diverse cities, and is home to what has been repeatedly cited as the nation’s most diverse zip code (75038), which stretches across the north of the city. In 1980, Irving was 93 percent white. Today, it’s just 31 percent white. Hispanics make up 41 percent of the city, African Americans 12 percent and Asians 14 percent. More than one-third of its residents are foreign born.

Irving looks a lot like what the New Texas is supposed to be: culturally vibrant, economically dynamic, and with great food to boot. Belt Line Road, which runs north to south, is home to a stunning variety of cuisines, a place you can find Peruvian, Pakistani, Puerto Rican, Nepalese and Cajun restaurants within walking distance of each other, plus African Village, a restaurant owned by a Cameroonian-American woman that boasts of serving the “best goat meat in town.”

But the complexion and politics of the city government has remained white and conservative. Until 2010, all eight members of the City Council were elected at large, effectively ensuring that white voters, who have a much higher turnout in local elections, picked the city’s leaders. A local activist sued, claiming the citywide election system was discriminatory, and a court ordered Irving to use single-member districts, hoping that would increase minority representation. But the new council is almost as white as the old one. Of its eight members, seven are white men and one is an African-American man.

https://www.texasobserver.org/irving-islamophobia-beth-van-duyne/

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Just checked, Irving's current city council is 7 white guys and 1 black guy.

White Light
Dec 19, 2012

Earth posted:

This isn't a good reason for me to move there. I want to be around more like minded people not less. The pay might be enough to forget about any of that poo poo though.

Do you guys allow smoking inside bars and what not?

I lived in the DFW area for a few years; as a left-leaning issue voter you are going to be disappointed. There is absolutely a larger Republican voting demographic that lives here, it's pretty heavily swayed in that direction. To add insult to injury, most of the repubs living here are lifers, who were born into a GOP household and will die voting for the GOP no matter what, they won't change their loyalty for even the best of case arguments.

For living in Texas, if you want a city with the politics you want you have Austin and

White Light fucked around with this message at 09:58 on May 19, 2018

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
Texas is home to the FYGM Liberal

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/997888272784412673

thefncrow
Mar 14, 2001

Earth posted:

This isn't a good reason for me to move there. I want to be around more like minded people not less. The pay might be enough to forget about any of that poo poo though.

Do you guys allow smoking inside bars and what not?

No smoking in bars in Dallas proper. Some of the suburbs don't have bans, but the rule in general around here tends to be non-smoking.

There are plenty of shitheads around, especially in the Metroplex suburbs, but Dallas proper is trending more left-leaning.

If you're going to be just south of DFW Airport, then you're probably Arlington, maybe Grand Prairie. Both of those tend to be the sort of Metroplex suburb I was mentioning above. For example, Arlington has voted not to join the regional public transit system because they're incredibly white and made a boogeyman out of the idea of black people taking buses into Arlington. Instead, they've taken roughly the same amount of money it'd take to have public transportation and used that money to fund stadiums for sports teams, creating constant traffic problems because literally anyone who wants to attend those events has to drive to the event.

Arlington does have a college campus, so things might be OK in that area surrounding the campus, but I wouldn't bet on it.

thefncrow fucked around with this message at 23:29 on May 19, 2018

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
Oh crap, I thought I was posting in GBS mass shooting thread.

Kunabomber
Oct 1, 2002


Pillbug

Earth posted:

I've been reading this thread off and on for the last month or so and I can't think of any better place to ask this. I'm mildly considering a move to DFW area because of potentially more pay. I would hope that this would be a short term thing, but life doesn't always go the way you hope. So as part of my thought process I wanted to ask in real talk how bad is the DFW area for a left leaning person like myself? As for how left leaning am I. I guess I'd say the Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well. I think it'd be neat to have universal health care, free college, better education, and do what Germany does with holocaust denial except I guess ours would be trail of tears denial. Unrelated to politics, weather wise I think I'd be able to suffer it. I prefer cold climates, but for a couple of years I can suffer the heat I guess. Traffic wise I was down there a couple of weeks ago and I know it's bad. Is it always terrible? I wouldn't like that much.

Politics are important to me. I want to live in a place where I don't have to assume the people are complete poo poo before I get to talk to them. It'd be neat to live in a spot where people actually want to help those less fortunate instead of spit on them. Live in a place where racism isn't the norm. And so on and so forth. Then again it'd also be neat to be able to retire a little sooner...

Yeah, so should I move there if I don't have to? In real talk is the DFW area horrible or livable? I guess another way to ask it is are the vast majority of people down there Fox News zombies or actual critical thinkers?

I moved from DC to DFW a few years ago so I can somewhat answer your questions. The first year will be difficult. You need to learn to let stray comments blaming the libruls roll off your back. You'll find people with their heads so far up their asses that you'll want to scream. The cost of living and the opportunities help out a lot, and it's a diverse city so id you can make the effort you will be able to find like minded people.

As for the racism, the systematic racism is still around and will take a long time to fix. But this is a modern cosmopolitan city, and most people know that personal, open racism does not have a place in society. As an anecdote, i am Asian and I definutely saw some racist stuff 4 years ago. That has died down to hardly nothing. I suspect white flight to Keller or Denton is to blame as high income immigrants are taking over the more established locations (Carrollton, Plano, etc). My knowledge is limited to the northern side of the metroplex though.

Traffic can get pretty bad as there seems to be construction everywhere sometimes. The good news is, rush hour hardly ever takes over an hour, compared to the 2 hours seen in many other cities.

Politics wise it's actually the most exciting time I've ever seen for liberals. I see Beto signs but no Ted Cruz signs on lawns and cars, candidates are more outspoken and aggressive, and you can feel a shift happening, at least in my corner of Carrollton. I wouldn't recommend discussing politics with random people in the area though because it's just not that hot of a topic in everyday life (major shift from people I've met in DC!). Instead, think about volunteering for the local parties. There's always canvassing to be had, people to be registered to vote, and even polling locations to be run. Keep your expectations low and keep in mind that this is a marathon...

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Parrotine posted:

I lived in the DFW area for a few years; as a left-leaning issue voter you are going to be disappointed. There is absolutely a larger Republican voting demographic that lives here, it's pretty heavily swayed in that direction. To add insult to injury, most of the repubs living here are lifers, who were born into a GOP household and will die voting for the GOP no matter what, they won't change their loyalty for even the best of case arguments.

For living in Texas, if you want a city with the politics you want you have Austin and

Wait, I thought San Antonio and El Paso existed

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Went to a DSA meeting today in Dallas. First time going to the main one as there are smaller branches in the suburbs. Very professional and straight-to-the-point, but they're mostly consumed right now with getting signatures to put a paid sick leave ordinance on the ballot in November. The larger coalition that is doing it is choosing the ballot instead of going through the city council as they expect the GOP-dominated legislature, once it reconvenes, to try and crush the Austin ordinance that passed a few weeks ago. There's also a push underway in San Antonio right now. The logic being that if it gets on the ballot here, and passes, that will constrain the lege's room to act.

Austin:

https://twitter.com/dsam4a/status/974376213924884480
There was talk about their experiences canvassing in Dallas. A lot of support, actually, to the point that most people support the idea intuitively and sign right away, expressing surprise that the city doesn't require it. I think this might be because a lot of people have moved here from more developed cities. It is a simple measure with popular support. The rare opposition that the canvassers are getting is more like this defeatist attitude of "well.... I like the idea... but gee... you know I don't know if it's really worth it because the lege will stop it so I can't really sign, you know what can you do?" :shrug:

Here's the catch, though: to succeed they need to get 60,000 signatures by early-mid June. That's a lot. It's an outrageous amount -- something like 10 percent of the registered voters in the city of Dallas. But DSA is not the only group working on it, actually one of the smaller ones. The unions seem to be on board as well which is good. It might be a close call.

Kunabomber posted:

As for the racism, the systematic racism is still around and will take a long time to fix. But this is a modern cosmopolitan city, and most people know that personal, open racism does not have a place in society. As an anecdote, i am Asian and I definutely saw some racist stuff 4 years ago. That has died down to hardly nothing. I suspect white flight to Keller or Denton is to blame as high income immigrants are taking over the more established locations (Carrollton, Plano, etc). My knowledge is limited to the northern side of the metroplex though.
Yeah I'm up in Denton. We've got a little bit of everything for sure.

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 04:10 on May 21, 2018

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets
Austin is terrible. In 10 years, Austin will officially become a parking lot from which people post on twitter about how “progressive” and “weird” Austin is and how much they love live music even though they haven’t gone to a concert, ever.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Lote posted:

Austin is terrible. In 10 years, Austin will officially become a parking lot from which people post on twitter about how “progressive” and “weird” Austin is and how much they love live music even though they haven’t gone to a concert, ever.

It really seems that the future slogan will be "Keep Austin weird! for the wealthy old whites"

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

they really need to knock down west austin neighborhoods and anything between dean keaton and the domain and just have it be high density housing

the sick leave ordinance owned, i work in lakeway and won't be affected by it but it's still nice to see

JosefStalinator
Oct 9, 2007

Come Tbilisi if you want to live.




Grimey Drawer

Earth posted:

I've been reading this thread off and on for the last month or so and I can't think of any better place to ask this. I'm mildly considering a move to DFW area because of potentially more pay. I would hope that this would be a short term thing, but life doesn't always go the way you hope. So as part of my thought process I wanted to ask in real talk how bad is the DFW area for a left leaning person like myself? As for how left leaning am I. I guess I'd say the Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well. I think it'd be neat to have universal health care, free college, better education, and do what Germany does with holocaust denial except I guess ours would be trail of tears denial. Unrelated to politics, weather wise I think I'd be able to suffer it. I prefer cold climates, but for a couple of years I can suffer the heat I guess. Traffic wise I was down there a couple of weeks ago and I know it's bad. Is it always terrible? I wouldn't like that much.

Politics are important to me. I want to live in a place where I don't have to assume the people are complete poo poo before I get to talk to them. It'd be neat to live in a spot where people actually want to help those less fortunate instead of spit on them. Live in a place where racism isn't the norm. And so on and so forth. Then again it'd also be neat to be able to retire a little sooner...

Yeah, so should I move there if I don't have to? In real talk is the DFW area horrible or livable? I guess another way to ask it is are the vast majority of people down there Fox News zombies or actual critical thinkers?

The honest truth is that Texans are extremely apathetic about politics, and this helps the nuts dominate the state as much as anything.

The traffic is pretty bad though, and the construction can make it a bit tough, but like other posters said, you can plan around it because it's pretty much only at rush hour.

halokiller
Dec 28, 2008

Sisters Are Doin' It For Themselves


Lote posted:

Austin is terrible. In 10 years, Austin will officially become a parking lot

Thanks I-35! :v:

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Wait, I thought San Antonio and El Paso existed

I'm not saying the existence of El Paso is a hoax, I just want to wait until all the data is in before making an informed decision

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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/timmytyper/status/998746318767050753

Eventually TXDOT is going to pave the entire state and people will still complain about the traffic. This is so stupid.

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