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Josef bugman posted:Nothing is worth dying for. There are a million things worth living for, but I am a bit weirded out by how many people seem so blasé about their own and other people's lives. Speaking personally I try to tack life-positive when thinking about other people specifically because if I universalized my own feelings I would suggest everybody should die as soon as possible.
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Grouchio posted:What do you mean? In last 17 hours EU appetite for sanctions has shifted from “things we’re comfortable with” to “things that will not immediately crater global economy” (touching Russian oil).
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CommieGIR posted:For those who want it or those who donated to the relief thread, we are working on a gangtag by goon Loden Taylor gently caress yes
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CommieGIR posted:For those who want it or those who donated to the relief thread, we are working on a gangtag by goon Loden Taylor Where's the thread? I absolutely want to donate
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Josef bugman posted:Nothing is worth dying for. There are a million things worth living for, but I am a bit weirded out by how many people seem so blasé about their own and other people's lives.
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Josef bugman posted:Nothing is worth dying for. There are a million things worth living for, but I am a bit weirded out by how many people seem so blasé about their own and other people's lives. So I'm happy to be rid of "all young men must go die in the mud or else they are craven and shameful forever" ideal, but I don't think this needs to go directly to "nobody should ever fight for anything ever", either. Individuals are the only ones who can make these decisions for themselves and they are doing the best they could in a perilously lovely situation.
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OwlFancier posted:Speaking personally I try to tack life-positive when thinking about other people specifically because if I universalized my own feelings I would suggest everybody should die as soon as possible. You should probably talk to someone about that, in all seriousness. That seems like a really heavy thing to carry around. Also I would highly recommend avoiding this thread if you're in that sort of state of mind.
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TulliusCicero posted:Where's the thread? I absolutely want to donate Pinned at the top, its mostly generic charities but there's a couple specific ones.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah human history disagrees. There is plenty of things worth dying for, is this worth dying for? I don't know, that's a personal decision. I think the real truth is that there are plenty of people who think something is worth dying for. There's also plenty of people who want to live at any cost.
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NATO jets and ships on high alert does feel like an escalation I wasn't expecting. They really do seem spooked by Belarus' role in all this.
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Alchenar posted:Putin can be a rational actor and be working off a calculus that is wildly out of kilter with reality (or with a value system that is different to ours). Yeah, he's a rational actor, he's just 1) operating from flawed assumptions (he seems to be huffing his own farts / propaganda) 2) following a deeply skewed belief system (autocracy good, democracy bad; "realism" means doing anything other than seizing as much personal power as you can is stupid; etc)
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Josef bugman posted:Nothing is worth dying for. There are a million things worth living for, but I am a bit weirded out by how many people seem so blasé about their own and other people's lives. this is an interesting position. you'll debase yourself to any extent to preserve your own life? not really a commonly held one. where those lines lie for individuals vary a lot, but most people throughout human history would identify at least a few things they would be willing to die for.
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CommieGIR posted:Pinned at the top, its mostly generic charities but there's a couple specific ones. There's a reddit list in the OP--I thought there was a specific SA donation thread, though?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, he's a rational actor, he's just I'd add to (2): "The West hates Russia and will never allow us to succeed, they are secretly working to betray us" and "Former SSRs miss the USSR."
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Sir John Falstaff posted:There's a reddit list in the OP--I thought there was a specific SA donation thread, though? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3994478
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, he's a rational actor, he's just When you say flawed I assume you mean immoral? Because I'm not entirely sure it's flawed from his frame of reference.
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Telsa Cola posted:To be clear I (maybe we, I dunno) aren't calling out people in the States for not dropping everything and going to Ukraine to fight. I/we are saying its pretty drat bullshit that people are basically saying they should give up and there's nothing worth dying for. I think it depends on what people are fighting for and if you're trained to help. Is it worth it if you have no useful skills other than being the bait and possibly getting in the way? Sometimes fleeing and surviving is the correct choice. That said, I think going forward, countries around Russia should consider having mandatory military training if the 21st century is going to be a bloody one.
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Josef bugman posted:Nothing is worth dying for. There are a million things worth living for, but I am a bit weirded out by how many people seem so blasé about their own and other people's lives. Calmly explaining this to the russian armor coming to detain dissidents
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I would specifically take issue with the idea that "it's an individual decision" when the entire thread demonstrates that there is a powerful social pressure at the moment cheering on and encouraging the fight. Which I'm not going to complain about because, like, I really don't expect anything else. But specifically at the very least, the idea of there being some government official on the ground with a pile of guns telling any kid who walks up to take one and die for their country while the whole world eggs them on... That doesn't feel like an individual decision to me. That feels like someone being eaten by the moment. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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karasu posted:Can you or whoever brought it up source the fact that SWIFT is on the table, in particular Germany's apprehension weakening? https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/25/germany-opens-door-barring-russia-swift-interbank-/
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a point from authoritarianism theory - in non-totalitarian state, the government still has to be a little responsive to constituency pressures; the dictator does not have oligarchs because he works for them, or for nebulous Capital; the dictator has oligarchs because nobody particularly likes kleptocratic oligarchs and he can have them replaced at any time by mobilizing those constituencies against them (with charges of embezzlement, profiteering, etc.). This makes the oligarchs unable to pose a serious challenge. (same reasons such countries can favour ethnic minorities or other vulnerable demographics for those roles) the contemporary institutional movement toward personal targeted sanctions is a policy that enables some form of international relations idealism, but don't confuse that with necessarily encouraging a swerve in policy; it mainly satiates a domestic demand for justice and action. If a satisfying response fails to materialize subsequently in the upcoming news cycles, there may be an appetite for something more concrete (e.g., freedom of navigation convoys, as suggested upthread).
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Shes Not Impressed posted:NATO jets and ships on high alert does feel like an escalation I wasn't expecting. What exactly have changed? US tankers have been circling in Romania and Poland from day one, probably keeping CAPs up (some speculate Ukrainian fighters as well) 24/7.
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OwlFancier posted:I would specifically take issue with the idea that "it's an individual decision" when the entire thread demonstrates that there is a powerful social pressure at the moment cheering on and encouraging the fight. Which I'm not going to complain about because, like, I really don't expect anything else. Not to mention mandatory conscription. It's not really an individual decision at that point.
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CommieGIR posted:For those who want it or those who donated to the relief thread, we are working on a gangtag by goon Loden Taylor This is 
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Josef bugman posted:Nothing is worth dying for. There are a million things worth living for, but I am a bit weirded out by how many people seem so blasé about their own and other people's lives. Almost every single positive thing in the world was only achieved once people were willing to die for it. I can't think of anything where this wasn't the case.
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CommieGIR posted:For those who want it or those who donated to the relief thread, we are working on a gangtag by goon Loden Taylor I’ll take it. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, he's a rational actor, he's just I also think that he is getting old a having terminal boomer brain and he thinks he will make Russia a super duper power if they gobble up enough old territory.
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 https://twitter.com/euromaydan/status/1497260971450056705?s=21 Bunch of charred bodies of Russian soldiers and a cursing Ukrainian soldier filming it. North West of Kyiv. Charlotte Hornets fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 25, 2022 |
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1. Germany and Italy have switched; who else is left in the EU that opposes a SWIFT ban? 2. I imagine international shipping will get redirected away from Ukrainian waters as sanctions mount against the Russians sinking cargo ships?
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Grouchio posted:1. Germany and Italy have switched; who else is left in the EU that opposes a SWIFT ban? Austria?
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CommieGIR posted:For those who want it or those who donated to the relief thread, we are working on a gangtag by goon Loden Taylor  For those of you interested to explore more donation options than what’s already compiled, I’ll be publishing an updated Ukrainian charity compilation in 2-3 hours. I’ll link to the post here as well, when it’s up.
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TheRat posted:When you say flawed I assume you mean immoral? Because I'm not entirely sure it's flawed from his frame of reference. Both immoral and non-optimal over the long term. It's the classic reasoning of a narcissistic sociopath and narcissistic sociopaths can be individually quite successful but over the long term and across society everyone is better off if nobody does that poo poo. More and more lately I tend to see the prisoner's dilemma as the central metaphor for human society as a whole. There are a lot of ways people can gain short term advantage for themselves by collapsing it, but we're all better off when we don't. Even, in this case, Putin, who's putting himself at non-negligible personal risk here!
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Josef bugman posted:Nothing is worth dying for. There are a million things worth living for, but I am a bit weirded out by how many people seem so blasé about their own and other people's lives. What about dying to prevent the deaths of others that you care about or who can't protect themselves? Putin has a history of killing undesirables, would you let your LGTBQ friends and family be disappeared rather than fight for your country?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i honestly dont think they planned this through. I know political parties shift over time, but the idea of a registered member of the US Republican Party rooting for Russia in a war they declared on a European country is completely and utterly incomprehensible to me. Those words are just mush in my brain like "Pizza Tim left orangutan"
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CommieGIR posted:For those who want it or those who donated to the relief thread, we are working on a gangtag by goon Loden Taylor Could someone paste/type the "go gently caress yourself" (I know it wasn't literal) part in Ukrainian?
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Hungarian state media started to "analyze" the war on state TV tonight. Some fun bullet points:
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Trump posted:What exactly have changed? US tankers have been circling in Romania and Poland from day one, probably keeping CAPs up (some speculate Ukrainian fighters as well) 24/7. I don't have access to NATO intelligence. It's literally my opinion.
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