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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:It seems even easier than that: sabotage one of their fellow developers? Perish the thought.
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Tippis posted:Is there any part of this project that has/will not turn into a “gate”? Stargate would be perfect cause it's stolen from scifi and croberts is a loving hack.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:34
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:4 and 5 are moot if "marketing" isn't involved in "product management". Designers, modelers, product managers all fall under the "developer" side of the fence as far as I can see, insofar as "not being marketing". 4 and 5 are moot if marketing isn't involved in product management- but I think that's a pretty important point for people (whales) to consider going forward considering CIG seems very invested in convincing us that the marketing and development teams are very close: example 1 being all these stupid shows they produce.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:34
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until the end of time at Ben because of it
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Scruffpuff posted:I'm gonna go with the simplest explanation for Chairgate: it was an intentional move that everyone knew about, but they didn't want it to affect ship sales so they didn't tell the backers. They planned to "deal" with the fallout when it happened, knowing that with the cult they've built, it wouldn't matter in the long run anyway. QFT. They know they can get away with anything short of cancelling the whole game outright & still have people defending them
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:It seems even easier than that: that would make my day far too much for it to be ever true
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Feb 27, 2016 00:35
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:It seems even easier than that: he reminds me of the guy that comes up to my desk where a few people are at and says "looks like social hour has started huh" i just feel like he would be actively really loving frustrating to deal with from the viewpoint of anyone IT related
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Feb 27, 2016 00:36
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like he could never not say some cute-sy joke-y thing about what you are doing
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Feb 27, 2016 00:37
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ZenMaster posted:Reading it over and over it just sounds more and more ridiculous... The best part is that they already have a ship with two seats in tandem where one crew member has no function whatsoever. It's the Cutlass. It's been that way for over a year.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:38
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Hav posted:Kerberos did this after Sword of the Stars II. They're making mobile knockoffs these days. CiG take note. They only need *one* community manager. making Sword of the Stars 2 had a lot more responsibility for their demise than anything to do with their forums! Beer4TheBeerGod posted:It seems even easier than that: 1. They have so many ships and gameplay elements that are broken and will never reach anything like what they described as, and people payed lots of money for, that they have a hard time keeping track of them all. They literally sold $100 million on lies and they've finally reached the point where making any progress at all requires triaging the promises. I think EightAce's talk about needing to trickle out bad news might have a lot more to it than just a missing chair.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:39
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Wafflz posted:Stargate would be perfect cause it's stolen from scifi and croberts is a loving hack. That will be when CIG announce that backers aren't getting any more systems than they currently have.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:40
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:The best part is that they already have a ship with two seats in tandem where one crew member has no function whatsoever. one day two people will be flying around in the verse and then all of the sudden the co-pilot is just going to bust his rear end when the chair disappears right out from under him
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Scruffpuff posted:I'm gonna go with the simplest explanation for Chairgate: it was an intentional move that everyone knew about, but they didn't want it to affect ship sales so they didn't tell the backers. They planned to "deal" with the fallout when it happened, knowing that with the cult they've built, it wouldn't matter in the long run anyway. if they had that much leadup time to come up with an excuse then i really doubt they would have handled it as poorly as they did, tbh i know a lot of people want to jump for "everything here is a scam" but i'd put money on a fair portion of everything below "sell jpegs for money" as incompetence and lack of communication
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I don't know whether I like the thought of them outright lying about the chair because they realized they need to cut back on certain things or the thought that they honestly don't know what goes in what ship or what they promised, like someone asks 'how many chairs does this have' and its not written down anywhere so Chris Roberts just sends an email and is like its just a one person ship please model it so I can approve and unapprove it
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Feb 27, 2016 00:42
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Lmao at the citizens who fail to see the writing on the wall, you deserve to lose your money.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:The best part is that they already have a ship with two seats in tandem where one crew member has no function whatsoever. Well the Cutlass has two seats in tandem with both having no use what so ever. Since the Cutlass is useless. Do you agree? Y / N / Maybe?
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Klyith posted:I think EightAce's talk about needing to trickle out bad news might have a lot more to it than just a missing chair. Yes, and it's all going to fall on Ben Lesnick.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:43
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Eonwe posted:one day two people will be flying around in the verse and then all of the sudden the co-pilot is just going to bust his rear end when the chair disappears right out from under him Having only a single seat randomly despawn would represent a great leap forward in engine stability
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Feb 27, 2016 00:43
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I wonder if Chris Roberts actually does that like inserts himself into design decisions like 1 chair vs 2 chairs
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Tortolia posted:Having only a single seat randomly despawn would represent a great leap forward in engine stability lol
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Feb 27, 2016 00:44
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EightAce's posts and this recent chair thing have finally made the thread good again
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Sunswipe posted:Mousemats are still a thing? How else do you expect your laser to roll properly? Wafflz posted:Stargate would be perfect cause it's stolen from scifi and croberts is a loving hack. Hmm… yeah, that checks out. I'm going to say that it's not related to star systems, though, but rather that they've reused the stars from Freelancer, where you can turn on client-side god mode and bump into them with a very disappointing “clunk”. I tried to pick a word and came up with lichengate. No idea how that would work, but I'm sure it'll happen anyway.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:45
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imagine finding out there is a shitstorm and having to figure out who to throw under the bus at your company
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Klyith posted:I think EightAce's talk about needing to trickle out bad news might have a lot more to it than just a missing chair. did they even make any comment about it before it was in the hanger and people said "where the gently caress did our other chair go" because if they were going to trickle bad news i'd think the expectation management would have started before then which is another indication of "incompetence" over "malice", for me
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oh poo poo, we promised these guys a 2 seat ship, but its only got one seat uh....X did it. Sorry for what X did guys, but its done, and there is no going back. You see, in design, once something is approved you don't 'unapprove' things. We hope you understand
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Eonwe posted:imagine finding out there is a shitstorm and having to figure out who to throw under the bus at your company that's why you hire someone who's willing to throw himself under the bus for you instead
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Eonwe posted:EightAce's posts and this recent chair thing have finally made the thread good again that's why this thread is great - you persevere and it inevitably turns good again
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:The best part is that they already have a ship with two seats in tandem where one crew member has no function whatsoever. Yeah wtf is that seat for? The first time I tried to steal one of those I jumped into that seat and the commando just hopped into the real seat and took off. I had to jump into the turret and start shooting friendlies to have any fun.
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Feb 27, 2016 00:47
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:did they even make any comment about it before it was in the hanger and people said "where the gently caress did our other chair go" most people probably just ignored it because if they ever asked about it, they'd be told ITS JUST AN ALPHA, as if that means anything, and as if issues like that shouldn't still be reported
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Eonwe posted:EightAce's posts and this recent chair thing have finally made the thread good again like the tide's ebb and flow, their ocean of incompetence laps at our shores
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:that's why you hire someone who's willing to throw himself under the bus for you instead pulling a ben
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Wafflz posted:Yeah wtf is that seat for? The first time I tried to steal one of those I jumped into that seat and the commando just hopped into the real seat and took off. I had to jump into the turret and start shooting friendlies to have any fun. you can't have the full effect of space hookers if the only seat for them is on the other side of the cabin, duh
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notoriousman posted:like the tide's ebb and flow, their ocean of incompetence laps at our shores sorry, CIG made an internal decision to only have ebb
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:did they even make any comment about it before it was in the hanger and people said "where the gently caress did our other chair go" I don't think this particular instance is overt malice. I'd say there is incompetence involved, but the real word for this event, and CIG in general, is disregard. The fact that they don't care about anything except their backers' money doesn't elevate this into conspiracy theory territory - it just means that they just don't give a flying gently caress.
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CIG, where am I going to put my god drat realdoll at when I'm cruising the verse in my sword with wings
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Scruffpuff posted:I don't think this particular instance is overt malice. I'd say there is incompetence involved, but the real word for this event, and CIG in general, is disregard. The fact that they don't care about anything except their backers' money doesn't elevate this into conspiracy theory territory - it just means that they just don't give a flying gently caress. disregard is a very good word for this, especially since it includes "not caring enough to pretend to be competent" just do whatever man it's cool Eonwe posted:CIG, where am I going to put my god drat realdoll at when I'm cruising the verse in my sword with wings the real reason the backers are up in arms about the lack of grabby hands
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Scruffpuff posted:I don't think this particular instance is overt malice. I'd say there is incompetence involved, but the real word for this event, and CIG in general, is disregard. The fact that they don't care about anything except their backers' money doesn't elevate this into conspiracy theory territory - it just means that they just don't give a flying gently caress. I'd agree with you, but I'd say it probably creeps into malice territory when they do things like just straight up change the web page like it never happened or throw random dev dude under the bus
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:that's why you hire someone who's willing to throw himself under the bus for you instead I'm not sure he'd fit under a bus, though. I suppose that's a bonus reusability factor that lets them save backer money.
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Tippis posted:How else do you expect your laser to roll properly? mousepads are actually quite useful because without them, the skates on your mouse get hosed up and don't slide nicely
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Tippis posted:I'm not sure he'd fit under a bus, though. I suppose that's a bonus reusability factor that lets them save backer money. i was going to make a fat joke about there being enough of him that the bus is pretty much stopped by the time it gets to you but
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AugmentedVision posted:mousepads are actually quite useful because without them, the skates on your mouse get hosed up and don't slide nicely I don't use a mousepad at work, gently caress the police
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