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Mel Mudkiper posted:The canon does not exist There is no such thing as a society
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Actually, on the subject of translations of the epics, does anyone have an opinion of the best version of Ariosto available in English? I've been interested in reading Orlando Furioso for a long time b/c of how highly Calvino spoke of it, but the couple I've tried from the library were either flat out inaccurate in their translation or else trying to keep to the original meter and rhyme at the expense of of English text and I couldn't get into it.
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Sep 6, 2016 15:49
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CestMoi posted:Pope's Iliad has some staggeringly gorgeous passages, read it for sure, but I wouldn't read it as "the Iliad", it lets too much slip which is weird for me to complain about because I really wish Pope had hacked apart the story to turn it into his own thing. Why do you want rhyming? The original doesn't rhyme, it's just in meter which the really excellent translations by Lattimore and FItzgerald preserve. I thought that the original did rhyme in Greek, that it would be interesting to read such a long piece of rhyming verse, and reading it that way would remind me of Pale Fire, one of my favorite books. Since you put it that way, I'll try Lattimore's version, too. What about The Odyssey? Lattimore and Fitzgerald translated that, too; would they also be your first choices?
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Sep 6, 2016 16:05
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I started the nix last night and so far it's like city on fire without substance. I'll probably finish it by Saturday.
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Sep 6, 2016 16:52
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blue squares posted:but "the Canon" is sexist, racist, and every other -ist It's misandrist too?
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Sep 6, 2016 19:23
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Nanomashoes posted:It's misandrist too? Yes, but only ironically
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Sep 6, 2016 22:57
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Wtf is the canon
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Sep 6, 2016 23:08
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Harold Bloom's cock, apparently.
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Sep 6, 2016 23:13
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fridge corn posted:Wtf is the canon The Bible (KJV)
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Sep 7, 2016 00:06
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I finished CivilWarLand and it was mega sad yet funny, it was hilarious yet sorrowful, it was a rueful comic romp, it was a droll yet poignant panegyric of the vicissitudes of the downtrodden Hadji Murat was also very good. glad I read him in order, encourage others to do the same.
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Sep 7, 2016 00:47
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Solitair posted:I thought that the original did rhyme in Greek, that it would be interesting to read such a long piece of rhyming verse, and reading it that way would remind me of Pale Fire, one of my favorite books. Since you put it that way, I'll try Lattimore's version, too. Yeah, probably maintain translators? Whichever one you choose you'll be really used to their style by the end of the Iliad so if you read a different one for the Odyssey it might sound weird to you. I'm personally a Lattimore fan, but End of Worlds says Fagles is good so either pick one at random or read little bits of each and make your decision from that.
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CestMoi posted:Yeah, probably maintain translators? Whichever one you choose you'll be really used to their style by the end of the Iliad so if you read a different one for the Odyssey it might sound weird to you. I'm personally a Lattimore fan, but End of Worlds says Fagles is good so either pick one at random or read little bits of each and make your decision from that. I found this guy who compares all three opening segments of the Odyssey if that helps. Didn't realise Lattimore stuck to Homer's line numbering; that's really cool
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Cloks posted:I started the nix last night and so far it's like city on fire without substance. I'll probably finish it by Saturday. I'm a third of the way through Nix, and just like City on Fire, it reads like a YA novel. I keep falling asleep when he gets to the mom's backstory, so I don't know if I can finish. edit to throw in that I don't actually want to discourage anybody from trying The Nix. I don't want to judge it until I finish it, because sometimes the things that bother me in a book turn out to be part of what the author intended and work better as part of the whole. just giving the author the benefit of the doubt right now. 1969 baby fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 07:34
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reading Never any end to Paris and If on a winter's night a traveller back-to-back owns. deffo recommended. like, in Never any end... the protagonist spends a great deal of time talking about his concept for a novel called The lettered assassin in which he attempts to murder the reader, and then in If on a winter's night the reader is made a protagonist (sort of) ulvir fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 17:57
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The canon does not exist and is the delusion of white male navel gazers happy to help lol at this guy who thinks that delusions don't exist.
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1969 baby posted:I'm a third of the way through Nix, and just like City on Fire, it reads like a YA novel. I keep falling asleep when he gets to the mom's backstory, so I don't know if I can finish. I'm about 2/3 of the way through The Nix, and I think that it's pretty good. It has a lot of elements that remind me of City on Fire or Jonathan Franzen. So if you like either of those, you'd probably like The Nix. If you don't care for either, don't worry about it. I mean, there are some pretty painful parts (a character named Pwnage, a spoiled college student demanding a safe space, etc.) that make me cringe, but otherwise it's pretty well-done.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:47
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Chamberk posted:a character named Pwnage i think we're done here
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Sep 9, 2016 19:51
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Just finished The Sea of Fertility, should have been called Sea of Futility... That's not to say I was disappointed, actually I quite liked the last installment and will have to think for a bit about it all. Any opinions? Following the thread consensus I'll also pick the third book as weakest, the introduction of the reincarnation was just shockingly artless compared to the other books. But I'll also agree that the India scenes are really strong, I suppose Mishima visited India himself?
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Sep 9, 2016 21:10
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End Of Worlds posted:i think we're done here wrap it up, literature is over
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Sep 9, 2016 21:14
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"literature"
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Sep 9, 2016 21:34
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I know bleeding edge wasn't to everyone's taste but I don't think scare quoting it's fair.
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Sep 9, 2016 22:32
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how 'bout that new Jonathan Safran Foer book then
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Sep 10, 2016 04:32
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Jonathan safran foer should have his skull obliterated by heavy arms fire
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Sep 10, 2016 04:38
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wrong thread oops
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Sep 10, 2016 04:44
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very funny article. not sure if the reference to IJ is meant to be a joke but its refreshing to see trenchant disdain for Jonathan Safran Foer in print.
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Sep 10, 2016 04:55
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drat..."trenchant"...now i know u read books
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Sep 10, 2016 05:02
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thanks. i recommend defining the words at the bottom of the page to increase your power
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Sep 10, 2016 05:33
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Eating Animals is good
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A human heart posted:Jonathan safran foer should have his skull obliterated by heavy arms fire The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > The Book Barn: Jonathan safran foer should have his skull obliterated by heavy arms fire
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Sep 10, 2016 20:13
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Alan Moore.quote:The first is a series of walking tours of Northampton, echoing the perambulations of Leopold Bloom in “Ulysses,” undertaken by a number of various characters set in different time periods. This serves to introduce many of the ancestors of Mick and Alma Ward, other significant characters such as Marla the streetwalker and poet Ben Perrit, as well as many ghosts and angels. The history of Northampton is encoded in it’s topography and there are connections that can be drawn throughout the ages. http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/books/2016/09/10/Jerusalem-by-Alan-Moore-Just-don-t-call-it-Ulysses-for-Druids/stories/201609090255
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I must say I am surprised that ever got published. The last I heard was 2 years ago and he was boasting they had to contact the people who publish Bibles to talk about their very thin paper. e: that he'd finish it rather, not that he could get it published.
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Sep 11, 2016 11:13
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Abalieno posted:Alan Moore. This looks interesting
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Sep 11, 2016 12:12
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Abalieno posted:Alan Moore. This looks embarrassing
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Sep 11, 2016 18:57
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Had this on pre-order for ages. I'm going to read the ever loving poo poo out of this book.
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Sep 11, 2016 19:13
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i am skeptical about the comic book snake man's novel
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Sep 11, 2016 19:37
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Earlier in the novel Mr. Moore establishes the idea of the language of the angels: Words that sound like nonsense, but unfold within the mind of the listener to contain layers of meaning and metaphor. This entire chapter is an attempt to capture that experience, composed entirely of a made-up language.
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Sep 11, 2016 19:40
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That's brilliant tho, nobody will be able to tell it sucks. Shame about the rest of the book
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Sep 11, 2016 19:48
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Not sure how much I want to read that. It looks like it has the same aspects of Infinite Jest and Gravity's Rainbow that made me want to read them, but OTOH Century ended on such a bum note that I haven't read any comics he wrote since.
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Sep 11, 2016 20:27
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Solitair posted:Century ended on such a bum note But it didn't end at the bum hospital.
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jsoh posted:Earlier in the novel Mr. Moore establishes the idea of the language of the angels: Words that sound like nonsense, but unfold within the mind of the listener to contain layers of meaning and metaphor. This entire chapter is an attempt to capture that experience, composed entirely of a made-up language. How is that different from language. Has this guy not read De Saussure
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