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No, middle NZ is essentially a core casual racists who think NZ should return to the good old days of the 50s as seen through rose coloured glasses. They are easily identified through the mating call of "I'm not racist, but..."
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Middle NZ isn't racist but just think Māori are treated preferentially by the government for no good reason because we're all kiwis now regardless of the past and they should hurry up and just integrate into our British-based culture because we won by getting them to sign a treaty.
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May 29, 2016 00:26
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Ghostlight posted:Middle NZ isn't racist but just think Māori are treated preferentially by the government for no good reason because we're all kiwis now regardless of the past and they should hurry up and just integrate into our British-based culture because we won by getting them to sign a treaty. And don't get them started on those bloody foreigners* *Does not apply to the British.
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May 29, 2016 00:37
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Half of them identify as British
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Varkk posted:And don't get them started on those bloody foreigners* You mean white, english speaking people.
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May 29, 2016 01:05
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May 29, 2016 01:43
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I thought racists voted National or ACT
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Wafflecopper posted:I thought racists voted National or ACT They have plenty of options.
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Varkk posted:And don't get them started on those bloody foreigners* Once upon a time I used to think that New Zealand was a good country where racism was a thing that other people did. Then I moved to London and met middle New Zealand, except they were half a world away on working holiday visas.
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May 29, 2016 04:50
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Wafflecopper posted:I thought racists voted National or ACT To give them their due, National have walked back A LOT on race stuff since 2004. The current National party is committed to the Treaty, at least. I guess I also separate the we-dont-like-all-these-chinese racists from the National/ACT style racists who at least understand that the former group are being racist, even if they deny their own racism.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80592598/labour-and-green-leaders-announce-closer-cooperation-agreementquote:Labour and the Greens have announced a memorandum of understanding, to work together to change the Government.
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May 31, 2016 05:13
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Comments on the article conclusively prove NZ is too dumb for mmp
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May 31, 2016 05:21
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Ivor Biggun posted:http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80592598/labour-and-green-leaders-announce-closer-cooperation-agreement It really was pretty much a case of officially formalising something that everyone figured would be the case anyway wasn't it?
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May 31, 2016 05:31
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Jacobin posted:First good news in a long time I mean it's good news if you never want a Labour gov in NZ ever again, due to the sizable % of the centre-ish part of the electorate that despise the Green party?
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May 31, 2016 05:33
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El Pollo Blanco posted:I mean it's good news if you never want a Labour gov in NZ ever again, due to the sizable % of the centre-ish part of the electorate that despise
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May 31, 2016 05:34
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I'm surprised at the "I was considering voting Labour but now I'm not so sure" comments. Source: http://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2014 In any case, I hope this sends a better signal to Labour/Green voters in those tight electorate races and results in Dunne/Seymour losing their places next time around.
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May 31, 2016 05:45
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Vagabundo posted:It really was pretty much a case of officially formalising something that everyone figured would be the case anyway wasn't it? Hopefully it means they're going to formalise tactical voting, something National mastered some time ago. So no more splitting Auckland Central between Greens / Labour and letting National take it. pre:Party Candidate Votes % ±% Party Votes % ±% National Nikki Kaye 12,494 45.84 +0.44 12,652 44.93 +2.70 Labour Jacinda Ardern 11,894 43.63 +0.41 6,101 21.67 -3.44 Green Denise Roche 2,080 7.63 -1.13 6,242 22.17 -0.63
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Binkenstein posted:I'm surprised at the "I was considering voting Labour but now I'm not so sure" comments. This would be my concern, that it would put off long-time Labour voters who don't like those dirty hippie Greens.
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There is always a huge amount of concern trolling by nat supporters pressing the issue of any lack of MOU and making apparent light of some grand plans of Labour to cut out Greens if possible and we provide stable government so etc etc etc This is a simple, understandable signal for people to understand and digest with time ahead and this is a big step forward compared to a lot of crap recently I'd rather see National have to try it with NZF than be able to do what they do with Act and Dunne please... Jacobin fucked around with this message at 05:56 on May 31, 2016 |
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May 31, 2016 05:54
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Ivor Biggun posted:Hopefully it means they're going to formalise tactical voting, something National mastered some time ago. So no more splitting Auckland Central between Greens / Labour and letting National take it. Ditto for Chch central and Ōhāriu. No Dunne would be good.
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Vagabundo posted:It really was pretty much a case of officially formalising something that everyone figured would be the case anyway wasn't it?
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Taitale posted:Ditto for Chch central and Ōhāriu. No Dunne would be good. Yeah for Ōhāriu whether National choses to throw Peter Dunne to the wolves or not they're probably going to lose the United Future overhang. pre:Party Candidate Votes % ±% Party Votes % ±% United Future Peter Dunne 13,569 36.58 −2.00 273 0.73 −1.05 Labour Virginia Andersen 12,859 34.66 −0.18 8,771 23.42 −3.11 National Brett Hudson 6,120 16.50 −2.06 18,810 50.23 +0.63 Green Tane Woodley 2,764 7.45 +1.65 5,623 15.01 +0.59 Conservative Michael Brunner 1,038 2.80 +1.78 1,118 2.99 +1.31 pre:Party Candidate Votes % ±% Party Votes % ±% National Nicky Wagner 15,346 46.22 +1.69 15,301 44.66 +0.03 Labour Tony Milne 12,926 38.93 −5.43 8,995 26.25 −3.15 Green David Moorhouse 2,800 8.43 −0.14 5,419 15.82 −0.44 NZ First George Abraham 1,245 3.75 +3.75 2,462 7.19 +2.23 Conservative Michael Cooke 598 1.80 +0.18 1065 3.11 +1.37 pre:Party Candidate Votes % ±% Party Votes % ±% ACT David Seymour 15,966 43.08 −1.02 1,023 2.72 +0.17 National Paul Goldsmith 11,716 31.61 −6.19 23,904 63.45 −1.07 Labour Michael Wood 3,470 9.36 −1.09 5,045 13.39 −2.16 Green Julie Anne Genter 3,021 8.15 +2.14 4,706 12.49 +0.46 Conservative Christine Rankin 1,725 4.65 +3.70 932 2.47 +1.35 NZ First Cliff Lyon 621 1.68 +1.68 1,308 3.47 +0.86 Ivor Biggun fucked around with this message at 06:56 on May 31, 2016 |
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If they still can't manage to articulate an alternative vision for the country a formalised coalition isn't worth poo poo
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May 31, 2016 06:57
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Do you really think Dunne will lose out next year?
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May 31, 2016 07:05
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At this point I literally do not care if every electorate in the country goes blue as long as Dunne loses his seat.
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Again I just want to repeat I think this is great, simple, informative news to send out- even as little and basic as it is- Patrick Gowers first instinct is to react to the conference was to ask repeated questions to Little whether they would cut out the Greens if NZF were Kingmakers again and Andrew Little gave a reasonably solid non-answer/ diverted the question about the conference being about a MOU about changing the government. These questions, no matter what, would/will be asked dozens of times and with even greater intensity leading up to an election. Its absolutely miniscule and months out but simple, repeatable, clear messaging like this seems like such a missing good for ages
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This will be better for the Greens than Labour IMO. Last election they got so much less of the vote than they were polling, I reckon a lot of that was people changing their minds at the booth because they didn't know what they were voting for. This also gets rid if National's scaremongering around "the Greens are economic vandals and Labour will give then finance". Honestly I'm happy to see this but it's just one step. I also think it'll free up Labour to appeal to the center and start trying to take votes from National, who at the moment only seem to be bleeding into NZF.
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I'm already seeing FB rants about how Labour have BETRAYED THEIR CORE VOTERS and how they should team up with NZF instead. When the gently caress did Winston become so popular. I thought he was a curmudgeonly joke candidate who we tolerated because nobody actually voted for him.
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Jesus Christ, even the left is retarded, we are hosed
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Wafflecopper posted:Jesus Christ, even the left is retarded, we are hosed If you're just realising that, you've obviously never spent a lot of time among leftists.
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I've seen some crying from Greens about alienating their right wing potential voters as well lol
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cptn_dr posted:If you're just realising that, you've obviously never spent a lot of time among leftists. Show him the D&D pictures thread, and the political cartoons thread! Exclamation Marx posted:I've seen some crying from Greens about alienating their right wing potential voters as well lol Taking the conserve out of conservative is what the right-wing does, why the hell would anyone think the Greens have right-wing voters?
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Exclamation Marx posted:I've seen some crying from Greens about alienating their right wing potential voters as well lol Lol actually what? That is just delusional
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 There are plenty of people who think the Greens should be a "post left-right" ecologist party, like you see in Europe. Love the environment, hate the poors living in it 
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Yeah the risk was never that the Greens would switch -- the bigger deal is that Green/Labour are officially working together and can coordinate their poo poo this time.
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cptn_dr posted:If you're just realising that, you've obviously never spent a lot of time among leftists. Oh I do and I have, I just didn't realise it was quite that bad
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