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FuhrerHat posted:there is no way what they did should be weighed as heavily as something like murder, cmon The FBI threw an Olympic athlete into a maximum-security prison for five months for the sole crime of lying under oath about performance-enhancing drug use. Her adjoining cellmates were Gerald Ford's failed assassin, a Cuban double-agent within the Pentagon's DIA, and a charming lady who killed a pregnant woman and kidnapped her unborn baby by cutting it out of her body. The point is, if the Feds are going to throw the book at you, they have the option to do it as hard and as fast as they want.
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Geoj posted:Do you think the same thing would have happened if the Black Panthers had issued threats to shoot anyone opposing them, or to shut down the state assembly until their demands were met? I don't know, but since we don't have an exactly analogous example I think this is a much fairer comparison than using the example of people in a housing commission shooting at cops trying to execute arrest warrants on the premises.
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Young Freud posted:The FBI threw an Olympic athlete into a maximum-security prison for five months for the sole crime of lying under oath about performance-enhancing drug use. Her adjoining cellmates were Gerald Ford's failed assassin, a Cuban double-agent within the Pentagon's DIA, and a charming lady who killed a pregnant woman and kidnapped her unborn baby by cutting it out of her body. ok i dont like this its bad but why should this validate some public opinion that these people are traitors that should be hung they didnt open the gates or poison the well or literally any ancient analogy that holds true when sentencing criminals is sleeping somewhere for something you believe in really something to hang somebody over (if you answer yes youre bad)
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Feb 14, 2016 08:17
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try them for exactly what they did, and hold them to exactly what they did thats what law is for
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Feb 14, 2016 08:21
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FuhrerHat posted:ok i dont like this its bad but why should this validate some public opinion that these people are traitors that should be hung They literally committed treason against the US even by the most restrictive definition. I say hang them and charge their estranged families for the execution and all the taxpayer money spent on their treason, then dump their corpses in the sea next to Bin Laden.
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Feb 14, 2016 08:34
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Sherman didn't burn enough and that's why self righteous punks like this pop up to this day Red States Delende Est
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:They literally committed treason against the US even by the most restrictive definition. youre wrong "Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." " this isnt what they did. by any definition.
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if youd want to throw the book at these people youd have to throw the book at so many "occupy wall street" protesters besides the guns, whats different? edit: moderation is key here. they deserve a second chance at life, but deserve punishment too. we are all david fry~~~
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Feb 14, 2016 08:54
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:They literally committed treason against the US even by the most restrictive definition. I think the word you're looking for is "sedition". quote:sedition
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Lolie posted:I think the word you're looking for is "sedition". this is closer, and even so. is the opposition of a political party not seditious? is FOX news and the like not openly asking for objection of the president of the united states of america? why isnt it ok to disagree with the government? why isnt it ok to ask for others to think about their views and disagree too? sedition is a stupid law and you cant fault a human in unique circumstances for being born hotheaded like the loving apes we are. i rebelled against my mom. should i go to prison for it?
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Feb 14, 2016 09:00
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FuhrerHat posted:if youd want to throw the book at these people youd have to throw the book at so many "occupy wall street" protesters It's mostly the guns I think. Without the guns, it is still a protest and they probably would have been treated more or less the same. Adding guns is a category beyond civil disobedience and we start entering into the revolutionary phase. If they were more competent, the charges would make more sense. They still have to go on trial; they may get the lower end of the sentence.
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nobody get me wrong here. im not defending them. they just should not die or be locked away forever and its weird people think they should edit: cliven excepted, he's old and that sucks for him GolfHole has issued a correction as of 09:09 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 09:07
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Alan Smithee posted:I'm less afraid of the apolocalypse and more afraid of people who need it to happen because they will never let the rest of us live in peace until it does. Lol. Is there a better term for this than crackpot?
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FuhrerHat posted:nobody get me wrong here. im not defending them. they just should not die or be locked away forever and its weird people think they should I feel like you are looking for nuanced, thought out positions on the issue. Unfortunately, this is GBS. We photoshop war crimes and laugh about it. Maybe try DnD?
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my bad my bad i dont know what came over me, tarp me up
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Feb 14, 2016 09:18
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Moral crisis averted! Back to poo poo posting for our freedoms.
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does anyone really think these idiots will learn anything? i bet once they get out they will make a living on some weird militia speaking circuit at freedom fair fun fests or whatever it is they do its not like they had jobs before this and one of the dudes at the sanctuary made a job of talking about how muslims suck
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take solace in the fact that they'll blow any money they make on truck payments and alcohol abuse and the truck will catch fire
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cumshitter posted:does anyone really think these idiots will learn anything? i bet once they get out they will make a living on some weird militia speaking circuit at freedom fair fun fests or whatever it is they do No, they are drains on society socially and economically and have been given many a chance to make peace with their lot in life. They tried to get a revolution going, failed, and now will pay the price. I'm a cold hard chump when it comes to treason and the rules we have for it, they loudly broadcast their intent the whole time and have done their best to remove all doubt. They fought the law and the law won, RIP.
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cumshitter posted:does anyone really think these idiots will learn anything? i bet once they get out they will make a living on some weird militia speaking circuit at freedom fair fun fests or whatever it is they do Nah, they're damaged goods. There's already talk about Pete Santelli and Jon Ritzwhatever being informants that sabotaged the Bundys and the militia movement. For a preview of what post-prison fate might lie in store for any of the Oregon occupiers, google "Ronald Griesacker". He got released in 2004 but Google brings up articles from the '90s, a few from when he was still in prison, but only a forum post from 2012 to 2014 asking the whereabouts of Greisacker. He basically disappeared off the planet, likely because he's poison to the militia types and his activities are closely watched for any type of recidivism by the Feds. Or poo poo, look up whatever Manson family assassin Squeaky Fromme has been doing since she got released in 2009. cumshitter posted:its not like they had jobs before this and one of the dudes at the sanctuary made a job of talking about how muslims suck Yeah, Ritzwhatever had a cushy gig being a hate speech provocateur because the minority he's targeted has been a rather popular target for the last fifteen years.
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FuhrerHat posted:this is closer, and even so. is the opposition of a political party not seditious? is FOX news and the like not openly asking for objection of the president of the united states of america? why isnt it ok to disagree with the government? why isnt it ok to ask for others to think about their views and disagree too? Hi, I very vocally opposed the republican party throughout the entire Bush presidency and would consider myself aggressively anti-republican and anti-Bush. I didn't, however, at any point cost taxpayers millions of dollars by taking up arms against the US government, threatening to kill police officers and federal agents, call for open warfare conducted against the American people, and use the internet to demand like-minded people to come kill my "enemies" (the American people and our law enforcement officers) once I was surrounded in my fortress of murder threats and seditious acts. Sorry to anyone too extremely retarded to see the difference.
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FuhrerHat posted:ok i dont like this its bad but why should this validate some public opinion that these people are traitors that should be hung it is if the thing you believe in is the obstruction and destruction of your own state it's not like these people actually had any meaningful criticism of how the government works or something it's doing, they just hate the state and think it's bad and shouldn't exist. I have a feeling that if they got their wish for a lawless wasteland and found that they aren't the badass barbarians they think they are then they'd change their minds, but that's besides the point.
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people also forget that the 4 people who were left actually did take pot shots at what they thought was a drone but was more likely a piloted plane so this wasn't just threats of sedition, at least two of them actually fired their guns my great-great-great grandfather took over a Federal facility and fired some guns, he was hung for sedition
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VikingSkull posted:people also forget that the 4 people who were left actually did take pot shots at what they thought was a drone but was more likely a piloted plane same except the three greats and instead of getting hung for sedition he was murdered by jews
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VikingSkull posted:people also forget that the 4 people who were left actually did take pot shots at what they thought was a drone but was more likely a piloted plane Since drones are now seen as registered planes by the FAA, there is no real difference if it was a piloted plane or a drone. They'll be facing some steep charges for this alone. What do you think would happen if you went to your local airport and took pot shots at planes taking off and landing? Same thing that will happen to these guys.
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Philthy posted:Since drones are now seen as registered planes by the FAA, there is no real difference if it was a piloted plane or a drone. They'll be facing some steep charges for this alone. Please don't let this one get lost in the thousands of other charges. I seriously want to hear the whackos on twitter try to pseudo-legalese defend them shooting at FAA regulated aircraft. There's nothing in the constitution about sniping planes!!! 
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Philthy posted:Since drones are now seen as registered planes by the FAA, there is no real difference if it was a piloted plane or a drone. They'll be facing some steep charges for this alone. I think that was the incident where I said to myself "ok these guys just made the mistake they are going to regret for a long time" like, that's where their defense transitioned from felonies plead down to probation and monitoring to you are going to a supermax you retard
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They actually shot at the drone? I thought they just talked about it.
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Entropic posted:They actually shot at the drone? I thought they just talked about it. nope, fat man and little twink shouldered rifles on cam and squeezed off 6 or 7 rounds at it e- this was the day after Tarpman got his lead filling IIRC
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Feb 14, 2016 18:00
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hope the headlines dont run "them patriots got 20 years in federal for shootin' a robot!"
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cumshitter posted:does anyone really think these idiots will learn anything? i bet once they get out they will make a living on some weird militia speaking circuit at freedom fair fun fests or whatever it is they do the cowards who didn't rush to their aid already live in their own fantasy world and they'll spin up another fantasy around this. it's fantasies, all the way down.
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:There's nothing in the constitution about sniping planes!!! I love how these people think the Constitution is the infallible, immutable, only legitimate law of the land, like there aren't specifically directions in the constitution for how to make new laws and alter the constitution itself.
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FuhrerHat posted:hope the headlines dont run I agree - we should give them all slaps on the wrist. Community service, house arrest - that kind of thing. It will certainly send a message to other armed anti-government idiots that
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Geoj posted:I agree - we should give them all slaps on the wrist. Community service, house arrest - that kind of thing. Not specifically at you, but this makes me think sending a message with huge rear end jail times is kind of important I mean these guys were trying to psych themselves up for a final showdown under the impression that they would definitely be summarily executed by the corrupt police state so every other idiot like them should see that no, the gov't will take you alive, and give you infinite time outs in prison. I mean the lady, the fatman's lady, she was sure she'd never see the light of day again and be ineffectual behind prison (and she was right) and was trying to psych herself into a death wish also but I think hers was weaker than the beardo fatman who thought they'd just shoot them.
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It's a sure bet the government is going to use these idiots as examples for their whole pathetic movement. Cliven, on the other hand, will never see the outside world again unless he's in a body bag. Motherfucker made a fool of the government and got arrogant, and that means the last time he'll be in the public eye is when he's crying on the ground, wondering how the government could have given him 250 years in prison. Then he'll be carted into a supermax in a lovely suicide apron and just left there for the world to forget about him. If his sons are lucky, they might make it out alive, but only to come out when the world has forgotten about them and/or reduced them to a sad joke. "You hear about the inbreds who took over a bird sanctuary to start their revolution?" If you think it's funny now, just wait until that's dropped when these losers are wheeled out of their prison in about fifty to sixty years.
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