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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
| Total: | 13 votes | ||
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Mitä mieltä muuten olet siitä työehtosopimusten yleissitovuudesta mistä sun ehdokkaas haluaa eroon?
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Apr 7, 2019 19:17
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doverhog posted:Like this:
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Apr 7, 2019 19:17
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Yeah I think making rich kids and their parents pay for their university is a great form of progressive taxation.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:18
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Lukukausimaksut? No mikä ettei, jos on semmonen 20€ per vuosi. Onko vasureilla mahdollisuuksia hallitukseen? Tai vihreillä? Kattoin jotain vaalikoneita ja ehdokkaat on aina joko jotain vitun piraatteja mitkä ei koskaan tule pääsemään mihinkään, tai sitten sdp. vas. vihr.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:20
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they're already doing that by paying taxes I mean they're not because the world isn't just, but y'know, that's how the system is supposed to go.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:21
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Gortarius posted:Lukukausimaksut? No mikä ettei, jos on semmonen 20€ per vuosi. SDP on mitä todennäköisimmin isoin puolue jolloin on hyvin todennäköistä että vasurit ja vihreet on molemmat myös siellä
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Apr 7, 2019 19:22
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Mitä himputtia täällä tapahtuu.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:23
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Andrast posted:Mitä mieltä muuten olet siitä työehtosopimusten yleissitovuudesta mistä sun ehdokkaas haluaa eroon? Not a fan of that exactly, but to be honest the minutia of what he's talking about in that blog about the various levels of organization is something I'm not familiar enough with to really engage on. Tarkoitan sitä yleissitovuudesta luopumista. Siivola posted:they're already doing that Yeah so I want them to pay MORE TAXES!!!
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Apr 7, 2019 19:24
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doverhog posted:Yeah so I want them to pay MORE TAXES!!! You want to tax the rich, therefore you voted for a Libera guy.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:26
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so could we maybe use this existing framework instead of inventing a new one that would require more bureaucracy and regulation
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Apr 7, 2019 19:26
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doverhog posted:Not a fan of that exactly, but to be honest the minutia of what he's talking about in that blog about the various levels of organization is something I'm not familiar enough with to really engage on. Hint: it's a huge gently caress you to workers
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Apr 7, 2019 19:27
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I voted for the rational Soininvaara "do what works" wing of the Green Party.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:27
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doverhog posted:I voted for the rational Soininvaara "do what works" wing of the Green Party. Yeah right wing fucks often like to brand themselves as rational people who make hard decisions when needed
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Apr 7, 2019 19:28
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doverhog posted:I voted for the rational Soininvaara "do what works" wing of the Green Party. Yet your postin' says you're full-on gently caress the poor and give the universities a way to just say no to the proles. You're a cock in denial.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:29
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"Do what works" apparently means introducing tuition fees when we have some of the best and most equal schooling in the entire world and getting rid of yleissitovuus to gently caress over the workers more
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Apr 7, 2019 19:30
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endlessmonotony posted:Yet your postin' says you're full-on gently caress the poor and give the universities a way to just say no to the proles. You're a cock in denial. So you are either unable to read, or lying on purpose, which is it?
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Apr 7, 2019 19:31
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doverhog posted:So you are either unable to read, or lying on purpose, which is it? You're the one who voted for a green cock
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Apr 7, 2019 19:31
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Also Lepomäki's perustili is a Libera thing, which would basically gut the welfare system and replace it with 400e/month for the poor and tax breaks for the rich.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:33
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Are you not engaging the arguments because you are unable to do so, or because you are afraid of doing so?
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Apr 7, 2019 19:33
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doverhog posted:So you are either unable to read, or lying on purpose, which is it? Andrast's av fits this page so loving well because even reading your mental gymnastics makes my head hurt.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:34
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doverhog posted:Are you not engaging the arguments because you are unable to do so, or because you are afraid of doing so? And that's "because you're not arguing in good faith". Hth.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:34
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doverhog posted:Are you not engaging the arguments because you are unable to do so, or because you are afraid of doing so? It's impossible to engage in the arguments of a guy who thinks Libera isn't extremely right wing
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Apr 7, 2019 19:35
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I have not mentioned Libera at all for a while, how about it is progressive to make rich kids and their parents pay more tax in the form of education fees for the rich kids.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:37
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doverhog posted:I have not mentioned Libera at all for a while, how about it is progressive to make rich kids and their parents pay more tax in the form of education fees for the rich kids. Please go ask UKMT what they think of tuition fees that got introduced to their previously free higher education
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Apr 7, 2019 19:37
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doverhog posted:I have not mentioned Libera at all for a while, how about it is progressive to make rich kids and their parents pay more tax in the form of education fees for the rich kids. How the gently caress would that make a difference compared to just increasing taxation, and moreover what the utter hell on earth makes you think that wouldn't result in education fees that are trivial for the rich and block the proles from even dreaming about higher education? You can't be dumb enough to not see that that would be immediately weaponized for class warfare - so you're cock in denial, and you being extremely dumb is just the part where you're expecting anyone at all to believe what you're spouting.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:41
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Also you can apply that logic to literally every service the state provides. Do we need to increase the cost of everything to make sure the rich don't benefit too much? We already have a system that taxes the rich more, it's called taxes. No need for extra bureaucracy that would only disincentivize less wealthy people from attending higher education in the first place. Andrast fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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Apr 7, 2019 19:42
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Wow I didn't think we'd have a closet kokkeli here, but doverhog sure proved me wrong.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:42
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endlessmonotony posted:And that's "because you're not arguing in good faith". Hth. How can you tell??? "Samalla opintolainan enimmäismäärää tulisi korottaa siten, että koko omavastuuosuus olisi mahdollista kattaa lainalla. Lainan takaisinmaksu tulisi sitoa opiskelijan tutkinnon jälkeisiin tuloihin siten, että takaisinmaksu alkaa vasta, kun valmistuneen maisterin tulotaso on noussut vaikkapa keskimääräisen tulotason yläpuolelle. Jos tulotaso ei nouse tuolle tasolle, ei lainaakaan tarvitsisi maksaa takaisin. Näin opiskelijalle ei muodostuisi rahoitusongelmaa opintojensa aikana eikä riskiä takaisinmaksuvaiheessa. Lisäksi pienituloisista perheistä tuleville opiskelijoille voitaisiin myöntää vapautus omavastuuosuudesta." Is there something wrong with this?
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Apr 7, 2019 19:44
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Andrast fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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Apr 7, 2019 19:46
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Andrast, against making the rich pay more for services. A real COCK man if I ever saw one.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:47
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doverhog posted:Andrast, against making the rich pay more for services. A real COCK man if I ever saw one. What is the advantage of this system over just increasing income taxes? The only thing that the tuition fee system would do is make it easier for the cock to gently caress with it later. Look at what the tuition fees did in the UK.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:48
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It's one thing for a think tank to suggest a radical new way of taxing. The other is what party has adapted that tax policy to their party platform.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:49
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"Gee boss I'd like to take the raise but if I did I'd suddenly be thirty grand in debt." How would you even implement this dumbshit proposal anyway.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:50
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This is the first time I've ever seen Libera being heralded as giving a gently caress about anything but the richest. Usually it's described as logical and rational to gently caress the poor, but saying that loving the poor over is actually good for the poor is a masterstroke. 
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Apr 7, 2019 19:50
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not a bot posted:This is the first time I've ever seen Libera being heralded as giving a gently caress about anything but the richest. Usually it's described as logical and rational to gently caress the poor, but saying that loving the poor over is actually good for the poor is a masterstroke. I actually can't believe that I'm arguing with a guy who thinks the toiminnanjohtaja of Libera isn't a right winger
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Apr 7, 2019 19:51
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doverhog posted:Andrast, against making the rich pay more for services. A real COCK man if I ever saw one. Hello green cock-man. I'm a poor, depressed, unemployed student. If the universities had tuition fees, I would most likely not be an university student. People who are not rich and priviledged also want to go to universities.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:52
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Siivola posted:"Gee boss I'd like to take the raise but if I did I'd suddenly be thirty grand in debt." Give up on the complicated part after "feedback", creating a fee structure that means the poor can't apply for higher education. That's how it would be implemented.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:52
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Since we're stanning for our candidates I'm going in for https://www.facebook.com/EhdokasAnu/ Won't vote till election day, but there we go.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:53
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not a bot posted:This is the first time I've ever seen Libera being heralded as giving a gently caress about anything but the richest. Usually it's described as logical and rational to gently caress the poor, but saying that loving the poor over is actually good for the poor is a masterstroke.
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Apr 7, 2019 19:54
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Man this is dumb
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Apr 7, 2019 19:55
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