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Wulfolme posted:These metaphors are getting out of hand 
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I do love the position Obama has put McConnell in. Either he: A) Sticks to his guns, doesn't do anything, and likely loses some of those toss-up Senate seats in the process, or B) Folds, gets annihilated by his base, Republican turnout is (probably) lower, but he takes away the weapon the Dems are going to have in multiple Senate contests. Either way it's a loss. This is why you keep your cards close to your vest instead of announcing 2 hours after a Justice is found dead that under no circumstances will they consider a nomination.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:32
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Seriously, by far the best way for the GOP to play this would have been to say nothing but that they were going to honour Scalia by sticking to their constitutional responsibility and considering any Obama nominee. Then hold hearings and party-line vote down anyone Obama nominates. Find some trumped up reason to do that if you want to instead of trying to set a bullshit precedent about presidents at the end of their term. Your senators still get to talk big about stopping Mean Ol' Uncle Obama from appointing some dastardly liberal to the court but it looks like they're at least nominally interested in governing instead of going back to being the Party Of No.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:36
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vyelkin posted:Seriously, by far the best way for the GOP to play this would have been to say nothing but that they were going to honour Scalia by sticking to their constitutional responsibility and considering any Obama nominee. Then hold hearings and party-line vote down anyone Obama nominates. Find some trumped up reason to do that if you want to instead of trying to set a bullshit precedent about presidents at the end of their term. Your senators still get to talk big about stopping Mean Ol' Uncle Obama from appointing some dastardly liberal to the court but it looks like they're at least nominally interested in governing instead of going back to being the Party Of No. I think that would work if the leadership weren't trying to reconcile moderates who would approve a reasonable nominee, and radicals who will loudly complain about the party allowing a vote and betraying voters.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:44
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I really can't even grasp what McConnell is trying to do. Like I legitimately can't comprehend any of his actions at this point.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:44
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vyelkin posted:Seriously, by far the best way for the GOP to play this would have been to say nothing but that they were going to honour Scalia by sticking to their constitutional responsibility and considering any Obama nominee. Then hold hearings and party-line vote down anyone Obama nominates. Find some trumped up reason to do that if you want to instead of trying to set a bullshit precedent about presidents at the end of their term. Your senators still get to talk big about stopping Mean Ol' Uncle Obama from appointing some dastardly liberal to the court but it looks like they're at least nominally interested in governing instead of going back to being the Party Of No. They wouldn't even need to vote him down, just slow-walk him through the process and stall without ever admitting they were. It's how Grassley and Nelson almost got the PPACA killed.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:44
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Stallion Cabana posted:I really can't even grasp what McConnell is trying to do. Like I legitimately can't comprehend any of his actions at this point. He wants to look like he's doing something conservative.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:45
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computer parts posted:He wants to look like he's doing something conservative. FlamingLiberal posted:Either way it's a loss. This is why you keep your cards close to your vest... Would you say that he needs to act more conservatively?
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Mar 16, 2016 23:50
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Wulfolme posted:These metaphors are getting out of hand http://www.pokernews.com/news/2013/08/a-glimpse-into-president-obama-s-complicated-relationship-wi-16136.htm Who was using a metaphor? http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21615615-barack-obama-shows-his-hand-americas-enemies-playing-poker-world quote:HE CALLS himself a “pretty good” poker player. Barack Obama’s poker-buddies, including Illinois politicians who played with him weekly when he was a state senator, tend to agree. Quizzed by profile-writers, they have described a cautious, canny card player. Mr Obama would bluff only if he had halfway-decent cards, they recalled. When opponents bet high, Mr Obama would not engage unless he held a strong hand of his own
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Mar 16, 2016 23:53
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Stallion Cabana posted:I really can't even grasp what McConnell is trying to do. Like I legitimately can't comprehend any of his actions at this point. There comes a point, when you are walking in a white-out snowstorm, where your sense of proprioception fails and even though you can feel the force of gravity, your brain forgets which way is up. McConnell is face-down in the snow and trying to breathe it. He done hosed up.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:54
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So I'm thumbing through some senate rules, and it seems like the president of the senate (one Mr. Diamond Joe Biden) sets the order of business for the day. Is there any reason he can't just roll in and skip the committee hearings and go straight to floor debate? I mean, it's kindof his job constitutionally and the senate rules seem to grant him that authority as well.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:54
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/merrick-garland-supreme-court-nra-guns-220892 NRA already painting Garland as anti-gun. No great shock, they scored both Sotomayor and Kagan.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:57
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FlamingLiberal posted:I do love the position Obama has put McConnell in. I know right. That was ridiculously stupid. I guess he is using his angle to fund raise now but it seems short sighted.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:57
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http://nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-merrick-garland-push-supreme-court-article-1.2566551 Shaun King feels he is the the right of Scalia on Criminal Justice.
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Mar 16, 2016 23:58
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Scalia believed in habeas corpus so that made him solidly left wing in modern context.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:00
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Would it be fair to say that most likely scenario now is a lame duck confirmation of Garland once Hillary wins? Surely Republicans won't get a more palpable candidate from Hillary than the already-kinda-old and super centrist white guy Garland?
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Mar 17, 2016 00:06
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cheese posted:Would it be fair to say that most likely scenario now is a lame duck confirmation of Garland once Hillary wins? Surely Republicans won't get a more palpable candidate from Hillary than the already-kinda-old and super centrist white guy Garland? If he doesn't withdraw before then, probably. I think even if they keep the Senate they'll confirm him because they're not going to get a more moderate candidate and this way they can avoid the heat of not confirming. Plus he's also a decade older than most progressives would like.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:08
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The nomination needs to be withdrawn before the election if the GOP doesn't back down. Once Clinton wins, especially if the senate flips, it's time to ram a justice they actually don't like down their throats. McConnell doesn't get an old moderate if he successfully obstructs until the election.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:16
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cheese posted:Would it be fair to say that most likely scenario now is a lame duck confirmation of Garland once Hillary wins? Surely Republicans won't get a more palpable candidate from Hillary than the already-kinda-old and super centrist white guy Garland? That's like 8 months from now.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:16
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gohmak posted:http://nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-merrick-garland-push-supreme-court-article-1.2566551 The only area of Scalia's jurisprudence that normal people liked was his stuff regarding the fourth and fifth. Scalia was loving awesome in that regard alone. It makes sense that he's all about privacy when he belonged to some weird rear end secret society.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:17
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I don't feel enough has been made about the circumstances of Scalias death.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:19
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cmon man plenty of people die while on hunting trips on a business tycoon's ranch with your old world secret hunting society from the middle ages.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:20
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euphronius posted:I don't feel enough has been made about the circumstances of Scalias death. The strange circumstances kind of got lost in the political scuffle afterwards, and the general jubilation that the old bastard finally croaked
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Mar 17, 2016 00:22
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Mr. Nice! posted:So I'm thumbing through some senate rules, and it seems like the president of the senate (one Mr. Diamond Joe Biden) sets the order of business for the day. Is there any reason he can't just roll in and skip the committee hearings and go straight to floor debate? I mean, it's kindof his job constitutionally and the senate rules seem to grant him that authority as well. John Adams probably could have gotten away with it once, but his antics ruined it for everyone else.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:32
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euphronius posted:That's like 8 months from now. Guess we'll see how long they can hold their breath during this temper tantrum. David Blaine did it for almost 18 minutes. McConnell has to do it until Nov. 8 just to see if he can breathe again.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:35
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Mr. Nice! posted:So I'm thumbing through some senate rules, and it seems like the president of the senate (one Mr. Diamond Joe Biden) sets the order of business for the day. Is there any reason he can't just roll in and skip the committee hearings and go straight to floor debate? I mean, it's kindof his job constitutionally and the senate rules seem to grant him that authority as well. The President in the rules refers to the Chair I believe, which is usually designated by majority leader. The actual President of the Senate, the Vice President of the United States, only has one enumerated power and that is to cast tie breaking votes.
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Mar 17, 2016 00:45
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Garland looks very judicial (old and white) so maybe it will be harder to parade him as a marxist islamic communist and a few people will finally see how useless and obstructionist republican senators are for no good reason. If Obama keeps up the pressure and gets news time, eight months is a long time even for Americans to ignore what is essentially a childish tantrum thrown by their elected representatives.
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Mar 17, 2016 01:09
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mdemone posted:Oh my God is there any way they could be loving this up harder?!? After that Toomey tweet there is very little room left for them to gently caress up harder. Maybe a sound recording of Republican leadership going on a racial epitaph filled tirade on how they don't give a poo poo about anything but keeping that black guy from replacing a white hero like Scalia.
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Mar 17, 2016 01:52
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Stallion Cabana posted:I really can't even grasp what McConnell is trying to do. Like I legitimately can't comprehend any of his actions at this point. He's trying to break the world record for how many bottles of bourbon one man can down in a month.
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Mar 17, 2016 01:53
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Rygar201 posted:The strange circumstances kind of got lost in the political scuffle afterwards, and the general jubilation that the old bastard finally croaked I mean he obviously did not die the way he was found and the coroner did a cause of death by phone conference so.. What the gently caress.
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Mar 17, 2016 02:04
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You see the American people need to have a say in the selection of the nominee because everyone who elected the current president and legislature is dead. Also it is sensible to elect judges, or something. Also Jonah Goldberg on his usual A-game http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/17/o...&pgtype=article
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Mar 17, 2016 02:08
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The medical mystery of why a fat old man who smokes all day died in his sleep.
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Mar 17, 2016 02:15
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Kazak_Hstan posted:The medical mystery of why a fat old man who smokes all day died in his sleep. That's not what happened.
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Mar 17, 2016 02:15
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euphronius posted:That's not what happened. was it some kind of sex thing? maybe a gross sex thing?
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Mar 17, 2016 02:17
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:was it some kind of sex thing? maybe a gross sex thing? If he died jerking off I hope it was before he finished.
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Mar 17, 2016 02:19
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Rygar201 posted:The President in the rules refers to the Chair I believe, which is usually designated by majority leader. The actual President of the Senate, the Vice President of the United States, only has one enumerated power and that is to cast tie breaking votes. Which is why the absolute best comedy option involves just enough republicans breaking ranks to pass cloture, then all of them coming down with the flu and causing a tie... BY GOD THAT'S JOE'S MUSIC
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Mar 17, 2016 02:21
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icantfindaname posted:*appoints a tough-on-crime centrist who's worked as a lawyer for big banks* Is this the new "she defended a rapist"?
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Mar 17, 2016 02:34
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Subjunctive posted:Is this the new "she defended a rapist"? But you repeat yourself.
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Mar 17, 2016 02:36
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Subjunctive posted:Is this the new "she defended a rapist"? Defending accused rapists is good, as accused rapists have civil rights like everyone else and are entitled to a fair trial. Defending big banks is bad and should be called out, though
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Mar 17, 2016 02:38
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Deteriorata posted:They wouldn't even need to vote him down, just slow-walk him through the process and stall without ever admitting they were. It's how Grassley and Nelson almost got the PPACA killed. This is the downside of driving turnout by ceaselessly terrorizing your voters with tales that the president is Demon Hitler Stalin Beezlebub X bin Laden who must be stopped by any means necessary before he destroys America and apple pie forever. It closes off the strategy of keeping up the appearance of reasonable cooperation with the president while secretly obstructing behind the scenes to get what you want.
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