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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the baseline system for the byte unix benchmark is a sparcstation from the early 90s. people only ran it on old systems for shits and giggles, which is probably why it's hard to find results. nobody was running this benchmark when the hp9000 400 series was a current product BYTE was, the NeXTstation vs SPARCstation IPC comparison was from their review. the IPC scored 9.4 vs the NeXTstation's 11.5 overall compared to a 386/33 running Xenix. it also beat a 486/33 that performed comparably to the IPC, though there weren't any details on what Unix that was running.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i'm just quoting this to point out this ui is way, way, way better than osx is today This is very true. I ended up using windowmaker (a nextstep clone) well into the 00s, because it was just nice to use. I might still be using it today if e17 wasn't better at arranging my terminal windows.
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*upgrades system* *NAT breaks* *cursing and googling ensues* https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89509 lol systemd why am i not surprised it's systemd it's sort of my fault for using networkd while it's still in development but not really because what the gently caress lennart you don't just loving change the default configuration of your software without even putting a note in the changelog anyway the sysctl ought to take precent by default since the administrator is explicitly expressing an intent for all capable interfaces to support routing by default
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May 6, 2015 04:31
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Mr Dog posted:*upgrades system* systemd....219?! 
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ah there we go that's the traditional and valid reason to hate lennart good idea: copy what apple did to make Unix useful to non neckbeards bad idea: have the only guy with the insight and stubbornness to push the good idea be a guy who cannot resist adding too many features and implementing random breaks-the-world changes on a whim
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May 6, 2015 04:47
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BobHoward posted:ah there we go that's the traditional and valid reason to hate lennart this is why Linux and BSD should've just taken launchd and used it, instead of letting Lennart reinvent it also why management exists, who exactly is letting him get away with this poo poo? it warmed my heart to see that Intel's OS for Edison just used mDNSResponder instead of the Avahi reimplementation for Bonjour. more of Linux and BSD needs to be like that.
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May 6, 2015 05:22
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mishaq posted:systemd....219?! 
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May 6, 2015 05:42
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well to be fair its os IS a piece ofshit
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it's no surprise that every single GUI for linux look like dog poo poo lol
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May 6, 2015 14:01
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eschaton posted:BYTE was, the NeXTstation vs SPARCstation IPC comparison was from their review. the IPC scored 9.4 vs the NeXTstation's 11.5 overall compared to a 386/33 running Xenix. it also beat a 486/33 that performed comparably to the IPC, though there weren't any details on what Unix that was running. that review is from 1991 the unix vendors weren't shipping 68k systems anymore. hp had moved on to hppa, sun to sparc, etc etc
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May 6, 2015 14:11
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eschaton posted:this is why Linux and BSD should've just taken launchd and used it, instead of letting Lennart reinvent it speaking of mdnsresponder how the gently caress did apple break their own re-implementation so badly? what i'm saying is that your discoveryd is a piece of poo poo
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May 6, 2015 14:55
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Power Ambient posted:it's no surprise that every single GUI for linux look like dog poo poo lol Ubuntu Gnome is supremely ownage
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May 6, 2015 17:02
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*uses experimental bleeding edge release* *complains*
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May 7, 2015 05:36
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how's a linux laptop like a healthy person? the first thing they do after wake up is breakfast
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May 7, 2015 11:54
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ruby idiot railed posted:*uses experimental bleeding edge release* Don't forget the part before that, where they ask why all the software on linux is so old
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May 8, 2015 23:50
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:how's a linux laptop like a healthy person? i just got this, goongrats sire manbaby
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i read in this thread that gome 3 was bad but it turned out to be good when i used it. i think nbsd was saying it was too far from, like, nextstep or lisp workstation or some poo poo, and he doesnt want to learn a whole new ui. ive never used that poo poo so maybe i just dot know what im missing. but for me it just works
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its actually poo poo
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:unix desktops, then and now, are plagued by the fact that most of the users mostly want to arrange a bunch of terminal windows. if the graphical ui is half-baked no one really cares, as long as the core task of organizing xterms works out This is true but only if you add in a browser window with the terminals.
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this is why xmonad without gnome or anything else is the best choice
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May 9, 2015 04:09
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ruby idiot railed posted:*uses experimental bleeding edge release* Linux is about Choice* *the choice between stability or working hardware
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Salt Fish posted:This is true but only if you add in a browser window with the terminals. the only thing that has really changed since 1985
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the only thing that has really changed since 1985 that and everyone having enough RAM to run GNU emacs without swapping why is it all the hipsters are obsessed with vi these days? there's almost zero reason to use it, ever. even my Edison could run emacs well. (my NeXTstation and BeBox do, though emacs 18 & 19 respectively, not 24 or whatever is current)
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May 9, 2015 23:33
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cuz vi is a text editor and emacs wants to be an operating system
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May 10, 2015 03:34
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Eight-hundred-thousand Megs And Constantly Swapping
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May 10, 2015 03:54
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eschaton posted:that and everyone having enough RAM to run GNU emacs without swapping emacs has done a good job limiting bloat over the years excluding shared libraries, it's using 20 mb of RAM on my PC right now
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May 10, 2015 04:09
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eschaton posted:that and everyone having enough RAM to run GNU emacs without swapping I've never bothered to learn emacs because vi is on every single distribution without having to install anything extra and it works perfectly and has a shallow learning curve except for a basic lesson about insert and control modes. I mean, dvorak has been around for a long time but there will be zero percent chance that I'll use it instead of qwerty.
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Mr Dog posted:*upgrades system* Solution: fork systemd and just freeze it. Apply only bugfixes. It's open source, right? I hope it becomes some sort of funny situation like Python 2 and Python 3 where people don't bother migrating because Python 2 just works and people are lazy.
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celeron 300a posted:Solution: fork systemd and just freeze it. Apply only bugfixes. It's open source, right? This is literally what distros with releases and package maintainers do for you. *installs gentoo arch funroll loops linux*
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pram posted:Eight-hundred-thousand Megs And Constantly Swapping eventually mallocs all core storage
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Cocoa Crispies posted:eventually mallocs all core storage eventually mucks all critical systems ruby idiot railed posted:*installs gentoo arch funroll loops linux* Seeing as I have participated in multiple decade old jokes, I can't make a joke about you using a decade old reference, but really, Gentoo is the best way to escape systemd entirely. Gentoo and Funtoo (among a few others) are some of the only popular(ish, in the case of Funtoo) distros that don't push systemd on you. You can be entirely systemd free with eudev and openrc. Not trying to provoke a systemd war (and don't quote me and start talking about how poo poo or good systemd is in relation to my post because I don't care), simply responding to your context of freezing systemd and then applying security patches. You don't need to worry about freezing and applying patches when you forgo it entirely and just keep another init system/daemon manager updated. nosl fucked around with this message at 21:02 on May 13, 2015 |
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nosl posted:eventually mucks all critical systems source your loving quotes you lunatic VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 04:58 on May 14, 2015 |
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May 14, 2015 04:54
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nosl posted:eventually mucks all critical systems you're a goddamned idiot
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nosl posted:eventually mucks all critical systems 
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pram posted:anyone who uses gentoo is an idiotic masochist anyway like seriously why would anyone ever use it unless they want to waste time. its great for that but if not that then ?
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Crushable Object posted:like seriously why would anyone ever use it ever heard of science and logic you loving vapid reject?
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