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Byolante: Mar 23, 2008; by Cyrano4747

Frijolero posted:

Corbyn/Bernie are loved precisely because they're 70 year old lefties.

A young lefty upstart can't have the same gravitas, recognition, legitimacy as an old red who's been harping about the same stuff, putting his career on the line time and time again for decades.

I think there can be a good transition, both in the US and UK between the newfound power of old lefties and the younger anti-austerity types.

I think anybody between the Tony Ben boys and the current London riots massive would have stuff on their record that would make them perceived as reactionary blairite scum. gently caress it, just give the kids a chance.

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Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Frijolero posted:

Corbyn/Bernie are loved precisely because they're 70 year old lefties.

A young lefty upstart can't have the same gravitas, recognition, legitimacy as an old red who's been harping about the same stuff, putting his career on the line time and time again for decades.

I think there can be a good transition, both in the US and UK between the newfound power of old lefties and the younger anti-austerity types.

They framed it correctly on Chapo, when they said that young people saw these old leftists who refused to sell out and ruin the world like everyone else in politics, and knew they're worth getting behind.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 03:58

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Crossposting from UKMT

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/09/how-labour-left-triumphed-inside-story

# ? Sep 24, 2017 16:45

Bryter: Nov 6, 2011; but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Bryter posted:

It's not a remotely hot take, Corbyn's personal popularity is nothing like Sanders'. Sanders is among the most popular politicians in the US, whereas the best net favourability polling that I've seen for Corbyn is 0%

Those numbers would change sharply if Sanders were ever nominated. He's currently benefiting from Republicans not seeing him as a major threat

# ? Sep 24, 2017 17:21

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

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I will agree that Sanders is probably the most popular politician to have lost to Hillary Clinton though

# ? Sep 24, 2017 17:22

Frijolero: Jan 24, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

Bryter posted:

It's not a remotely hot take, Corbyn's personal popularity is nothing like Sanders'. Sanders is among the most popular politicians in the US, whereas the best net favourability polling that I've seen for Corbyn is 0%

Aren't UK polls less reliable and less recurrent? I don't see any polls for the last couple of months.

Corbyn's popularity is solid if you look at how sharply it rose before the election and the size of crowds he gets at his events.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 17:42

Bryter: Nov 6, 2011; but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Frijolero posted:

Aren't UK polls less reliable and less recurrent? I don't see any polls for the last couple of months.

Corbyn's popularity is solid if you look at how sharply it rose before the election and the size of crowds he gets at his events.

He was back down from 0% to -13% in August

His popularity rising around the time of the GE would indicate to me that it's the manifesto providing a boost to his personal popularity rather than the reverse.

Personally I think it's a pretty good thing overall that a socialist Labour party is successful because of what they're saying rather than who's saying it

# ? Sep 24, 2017 19:12

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/912031054084657153

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:47

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Gum posted:

Those numbers would change sharply if Sanders were ever nominated. He's currently benefiting from Republicans not seeing him as a major threat

nah

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:49

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safely sodomized posted:

nah

Yah

# ? Sep 24, 2017 21:53

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bump_fn posted:

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/912031054084657153

n a t i o n a l i s e t h i s b o y

# ? Sep 24, 2017 22:17

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Gum posted:

Yah

They already see Bernie as the threat.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 23:27

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

They already see Bernie as the threat.

If they saw him as a threat they would be focusing their attacks on him instead of people like Clinton and Pelosi. Sanders has come up in the healthcare debate but only because he opposes obamacare and Republicans see it as a way of driving a wedge in the Democrats

# ? Sep 24, 2017 23:52

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Gum posted:

If they saw him as a threat they would be focusing their attacks on him instead of people like Clinton and Pelosi. Sanders has come up in the healthcare debate but only because he opposes obamacare and Republicans see it as a way of driving a wedge in the Democrats

Clinton is already a non-factor, and they're focusing on Pelosi because she's already a political liability for Democrats and they will exploit that as far as they can. They fear Bernie because they already know he's the real threat, and they want to let Hillary's cult keep trying to marginalize him.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 23:58

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https://twitter.com/immolations/status/801229033115631617

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:00

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Clinton is already a non-factor, and they're focusing on Pelosi because she's already a political liability for Democrats and they will exploit that as far as they can. They fear Bernie because they already know he's the real threat, and they want to let Hillary's cult keep trying to marginalize him.

Where are the attack ads? Where are the manufactured scandals? Why isn't the right wing media constantly screaming "Bernie Bernie Bernie"?

That's what opposition looks like and that's what Sanders is going to have to beat to become president

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:11

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

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You people seriously have no idea of the mountain you have to climb and that worries me

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:13

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Gum posted:

Where are the attack ads? Where are the manufactured scandals? Why isn't the right wing media constantly screaming "Bernie Bernie Bernie"?

That's what opposition looks like and that's what Sanders is going to have to beat to become president

Opposition isn't that difficult to overcome when you're not a garbage candidate who thinks they can coast into the oval office on their bonafides.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:13

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Opposition isn't that difficult to overcome when you're not a garbage candidate who thinks they can coast into the oval office on their bonafides.

Yes it loving is. You are fighting a rigged contest against people with far greater resources than you. Please don't take this lightly

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:15

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

this isn't the suck zone gently caress off

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:18

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Gum posted:

Yes it loving is. You are fighting a rigged contest against people with far greater resources than you. Please don't take this lightly

*knees knocking, palms are sweaty, mom's spaghetti*

The Republicans might call Bernie a s-s-s-s-socialist! :qq:

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:22

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

*knees knocking, palms are sweaty, mom's spaghetti*

The Republicans might call Bernie a s-s-s-s-socialist!

Get ready for it because right now you aren't

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:29

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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Gum posted:

Get ready for it because right now you aren't

Remember how afraid people were that Jezza would get destroyed by the Tory media machine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJsYKhEV6o0&t=36s

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:31

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

take it to the suck zone this thread is for honoring the boy

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:36

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Remember how afraid people were that Jezza would get destroyed by the Tory media machine?

The Tory media machine is why May is still Prime Minister despite Labour having by far the better platform, candidate and campaign

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:39

Gum: Mar 9, 2008; _{oho, a rapist

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Silver lining- the Republican media machine is a piece of crap compared to what the Tories have

# ? Sep 25, 2017 00:42

Gorn Myson: Aug 8, 2007

Lastgirl posted:

https://twitter.com/immolations/status/801229033115631617

I remember this. There was a moment where one of them had this brief moment of "I've made a huge mistake" when he talked about how he felt ashamed at being mocked so badly by other Tories that he felt that he had to shun his working class Northern roots by hiding the fact that his parents were divorced and that said parents did struggle financially when he was young and then forcing himself to change his accent. For a moment I actually felt sorry for him and thought that maybe, given time, he would just nudge slowly over to the realisation that the group of people hes decided to join up with are obviously incredibly hostile to people that have his social and economic status.

Then I saw him in some segment online just before the 2015 election where he talked about how awesome David Cameron has been as Prime Minister and I thought "you can gently caress off you pea-brained oval office, I hope you feel ashamed of where you come from, forever".

# ? Sep 25, 2017 01:15

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

hill shills raus

# ? Sep 25, 2017 03:04

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bump_fn posted:

this isn't the suck zone gently caress off

t h a t s w h a t y o u t h i n k

# ? Sep 25, 2017 08:19

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Gum posted:

Silver lining- the Republican media machine is a piece of crap compared to what the Tories have

True. A lot of Americans like me really underestimate just how right-wing the British press is. It's like if all TV news was Fox News and the position our magazines Newsweek and Time occupied were instead filled by the Enquirer.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 08:52

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more like BOLLOCKnese

Jeb! Repetition posted:

True. A lot of Americans like me really underestimate just how right-wing the British press is. It's like if all TV news was Fox News and the position our magazines Newsweek and Time occupied were instead filled by the Enquirer.

Then came the realisation on election night that it doesn't matter, because Theresa May is so incompetent and unlikeable that even the full force of the British media couldn't get her an increased majority

Also the Express is being bought out by the Mirror, I would love it if the Mirror people subtly start turning Express readers left wing

# ? Sep 25, 2017 08:59

UrbicaMortis: Feb 16, 2012; Hmm, how shall I post today?

Jeb! Repetition posted:

True. A lot of Americans like me really underestimate just how right-wing the British press is. It's like if all TV news was Fox News and the position our magazines Newsweek and Time occupied were instead filled by the Enquirer.

Eh, I wouldn't say our tv news is especially right wing, although they sure ain't left wing. However, the news cycle tends to be set by the paper press, so the tv news end up reporting on that stuff anyway.

# ? Sep 25, 2017 09:00

Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

all the current party leaders' approval rating are pretty terrible, corbyns might get a little worse as his position on brexit (he's rock hard for it) becomes more and more obvious; it directly conflicts with the opinions of most of his base. he's currently trying to justify hard brexit by claiming that the EU might prevent him from propping up heavy industry because of strict anti-subsidy rules that i guess nobody told france about. that said labour is handling brexit in a pretty smart way, that is pray like hell the torys pull it off so they can be blamed when the economy collapses

# ? Sep 25, 2017 10:45

Fallen Hamprince: Nov 12, 2016

https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/912244668955594752

super reassuring considering what a great decade for british leftism the 80s were. prepare your rear end for Thatcher II: Electric Moggaloo

# ? Sep 25, 2017 11:02

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# ? Sep 25, 2017 11:14

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