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Your Computer posted:I'm really confused as to why they make you buy gambits. I'm 7 hours into the game and all I can really do is tell my team to autoattack you should be able to set up basic ones as soon as you get a three person party. Like healing and magic and attack order. E: buying gambits is not a great system, but at least they are dirt cheap.
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And didn't they make it easier in the re-release, anyway? iirc a lot of gambits were gated by like location or even found in chests. Aren't they all available to buy up front now?
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Feb 5, 2018 12:58
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MikeJF posted:It was also better that she was a pixelated sprite and I was free to just assume she had proper armour on. Or at the very least, pants. This is why the snes final fantasies will always be the best Final fantasies
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Feb 5, 2018 13:02
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Your Computer posted:I'm really confused as to why they make you buy gambits. I'm 7 hours into the game and all I can really do is tell my team to autoattack No that's the whole game, you'll be using auto attack + magic on the final boss
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Feb 5, 2018 13:30
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Sakurazuka posted:No that's the whole game, you'll be using auto attack + magic on the final boss To be fair though, any final fantasy where this isn’t the case? The actual combat in these never has much depth and it’s more about the setup.
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Feb 5, 2018 14:24
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All FFs are basically designed to be beaten by children but I thought FF13 had the better implementation of “party mostly does its own thing while you coordinate their attacks” combat system that FF12 was going for.
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Feb 5, 2018 14:29
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Avalerion posted:To be fair though, any final fantasy where this isn’t the case? The actual combat in these never has much depth and it’s more about the setup. Maybe it's just the illusion of having to push a button but no I never felt like the other games were on autopilot in the same way 12 was.
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Feb 5, 2018 14:35
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esperterra posted:And didn't they make it easier in the re-release, anyway? iirc a lot of gambits were gated by like location or even found in chests. Aren't they all available to buy up front now?
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Feb 5, 2018 14:51
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Yeah, they removed both the location gating and the chest gambits and it's all in Rabanastre's gambit shop five minutes in now. It was only after I got out of the dungeon that I could purchase all of them, so that's more like 7 hours than five minutes  I guess not everyone loves the game (at least on these forums) but for those of you who do; what do you enjoy the most about the game? The story? Characters? Mechanics? Music?
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Feb 5, 2018 15:25
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Probably setting, mechanics, and art direction in that order.
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Feb 5, 2018 15:28
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FFX has arguably the most complex battle system out of the gate (which is funny because it is also one of the most beginner-friendly). Between turn order manipulation, weapon/armour swapping, various ways to drive up the Overdrive gauge, swapping party members, Aeons and so on, its actually kinda impressive they dumbed it down to basically RPS for 75% of the game.
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Feb 5, 2018 15:34
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ApplesandOranges posted:FFX has arguably the most complex battle system out of the gate (which is funny because it is also one of the most beginner-friendly). Between turn order manipulation, weapon/armour swapping, various ways to drive up the Overdrive gauge, swapping party members, Aeons and so on, its actually kinda impressive they dumbed it down to basically RPS for 75% of the game. I started an NSG run however many years ago when you actually had to look at GameFAQs for that kind of stuff and I remember it being kind of challenging. Basically there are only two kinds of bosses in FFX, the ones you can beat in the 50-hour campaign with only a couple truly hard fights, and the ones that you can't beat until you put another 50 whole hours into the sphere grid.
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Feb 5, 2018 15:37
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Dragonatrix posted:I can't believe people manage to forget the librarian that tries to intervene in the hot dog love story. Shameful, really. They really just tacked her on for variety. Otherwise, the whole sub-plot was just a sausage-fest.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Zell x Hot Dog is a game-spanning arc, thank you very much I agree with this. Also, if you’re gonna play FFXV and want more character backstory than you’ll get in the game, the Brotherhood anime is both free and well worth your time.
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Feb 5, 2018 15:46
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Your Computer posted:It was only after I got out of the dungeon that I could purchase all of them, so that's more like 7 hours than five minutes I think it took me like 2 hours tops to get there.
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Feb 5, 2018 15:52
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12 has a nice aesthetic to it, and it has a more "grown up" story than the earlier FFs. FF4: Adults save the world from an ancient sorceror FF5: Teenagers save the world from an ancient sorceror FF6: Teenagers save the world from a newly-manufactured sorceror FF7: Teenagers save the world from an alien FF8: Teenagers save the world from a far-future sorceress FF9: idk haven't played it FF10: Teenagers save the world from an ancient sorceror In FF12, you're not saving the world. There's a tiny kingdom in between two empires and you barely even see a few bits of one of them. There are no sorcerors or sorceresses, ancient or otherwise, trying to destroy the world. There's a couple of teenagers along for the ride, but they don't drive the plot forward. You've got Ashe and Basch who are grown-rear end adults who are actually shown to be the competent leaders and warriors everybody says they are. Balthier acts like an anime self-insert but actually manages to pull it off, which is really impressive. Well, ok, and then you have Fran. But then the clothing design is by far the weakest part of FF12 and even so her presence helps a lot with the world-building at various parts in the plot. The antagonist is also the best in the entire series imo, because he isn't insane, has a goal that he pursues without just being evil for the hell of it, and, again, is shown to be as competent with his scheming as he is made out to be.
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Feb 5, 2018 15:58
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I wouldn't really call Ashe a 'competent leader' right off the bat. She's impulsive and passion-driven, and it takes her the length of the game and influences from Basch, Balthier and Larsa, among many others, to finally give up her main purpose for the journey. She's a decent protagonist, but I'd say Garnet/Dagger did the 'princess with heavy responsibilities' better.
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Feb 5, 2018 16:03
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Avalerion posted:I think it took me like 2 hours tops to get there. Uhh... congratulations? My complaint was from the point of a person who's playing the game blind for the first time, and as a person playing this game blind for the first time that's how long it took me. v  v I assume the reasoning is that they don't want to overload the player with choices, but then again they immediately do that with the license boards so idk
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Feb 5, 2018 16:04
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Wasn’t supposed to come of as snippy, sorry if it did. Have you been using the fast forward function at all? Parts of the game would be really tedious without it I imagine so that might be where your frustrations are coming from.
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Feb 5, 2018 16:10
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Your Computer posted:I'm really confused as to why they make you buy gambits. I'm 7 hours into the game and all I can really do is tell my team to autoattack Welcome to ff12, buddy.
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Feb 5, 2018 16:16
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ApplesandOranges posted:I wouldn't really call Ashe a 'competent leader' right off the bat. She's impulsive and passion-driven, and it takes her the length of the game and influences from Basch, Balthier and Larsa, among many others, to finally give up her main purpose for the journey. She's a decent protagonist, but I'd say Garnet/Dagger did the 'princess with heavy responsibilities' better. Ashe's is supposed to be a much longer version of Garnet's arc where all her decisions kind of just gently caress things up and she just has to keep moving forward which could be interesting but that game's character writing isn't there so what you get really is "Failed, Is Betrayed, Gets Ancestral power, realizes power is bad (For no real in character reason), Wins". Her character moments are just so separated in both context and just the amount of time between them it all comes across really bare bones. FF12 really would have been better off being made like 2 years later so they could make incidental dialogue of party members thing Or steal skits from Tales of cause GOD drat the vast majority of that game everyone is kind of a silent robot. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Sapozhnik posted:FF7: Teenagers save the world from an alien Yuffie's the only teen in the party, and she's optional. Unless you also count Red Thirteen :iamafag:
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Feb 5, 2018 16:27
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His name is Nanaki you rear end in a top hat
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Avalerion posted:Wasn’t supposed to come of as snippy, sorry if it did. Oh, sorry. Yeah I haven't really used the fast forward much except for backtracking, though I'm sure I'll use it more as the game opens up. Pretty certain they put it there for a reason Honestly my biggest frustration with the game is how zoomed in it is and how big the UI is. It's probably fine on a TV as you're sitting on the sofa across the room but on a monitor that you're sitting right in front of it's pretty unpleasant.the port runs well and all, but look at how much space the gigantic UI is taking up  it's also really frustrating how the camera only zooms out if you look down and zooms in if you look forward. I just... I just want to be able to look ahead without my character's butt taking up 1/3 of the screen. Since I'm on PC, perhaps someone will figure out how to mod these things though.
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Sapozhnik posted:There are no sorcerors or sorceresses, ancient or otherwise, trying to destroy the world. I gotta be honest though I don't think there's much weight to these arguments about FF12 being some uniquely mature game for the series. It feels like a pretty bog-standard FF story to me, but without any interesting characters. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 16:44
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Being irrational for your favorite game is why the internet exists
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Raxivace posted:The only way this doesn't describe Dr. Cid is if you think there's any meaningful difference between being a sorcerer and a scientist in a setting like this. Also the occuria are weird evil sorcerers and you fight one as the final boss
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Hey guys FF9 is the bestest FF ever made just thought I should remind everyone, ok bye
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Feb 5, 2018 16:53
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Sapozhnik posted:12 has a nice aesthetic to it, and it has a more "grown up" story than the earlier FFs. This might be the most disingenuous post I’ve seen on these dead gay forums
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Pureauthor posted:Hey guys FF9 is the bestest FF ever made just thought I should remind everyone, ok bye Shame that they couldn't give it more than 30fps for the pc version
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Pureauthor posted:Hey guys FF9 is the bestest FF ever made just thought I should remind everyone, ok bye I just can't get over the character designs  and also that it runs at like 15 fps
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Feb 5, 2018 16:57
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ROFL Octopus posted:This might be the most disingenuous post I’ve seen on these dead gay forums Nearly every point it makes is wrong, it’s kind of impressive.
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Feb 5, 2018 16:58
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Tae posted:Being irrational for your favorite game is why the internet exists i am quite rational about my love of final fantasy tactics advance (thats not really my fav cause how could i pick a fav out of the many games ive played but it is def the game ive played most in my life so whatever close enough)
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I’m mainly playing XII for the nostalgia yea. Don’t remember much of the story itself but remember liking the characters except Vaan, and the hunts. Fran’s voice already gave me a surprise, not what I remember her sounding like at all.
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I think ff14 has ruined my expectations for 12. I got excited to see all these cool jobs but they don’t really have any flair or flavor; it just determines your stats, your weapons, and what spells/technics you get to use, the aesthetic doesn’t change much. Being a red mage isn’t gonna make me a flip wizard for this one Or at least that’s my impression so far. Maybe the classes get cool unique poo poo farther in to the license board It’s alright, I still like the setting, I’ll make my own fun
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Feb 5, 2018 17:05
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Yeah since the job system was basically tacked on after the fact there isn't really any visual diversity for the jobs which is a shame.
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Sapozhnik posted:12 has a nice aesthetic to it, and it has a more "grown up" story than the earlier FFs. source your quotes
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MMF Freeway posted:Yeah since the job system was basically tacked on after the fact there isn't really any visual diversity for the jobs which is a shame. I'll be real, half of the reason why I love job systems is because of the costumes  Though the job system in FFXII just seems really weird in general. There's so much overlap, and with everyone mostly just smacking things with their weapon anyway it doesn't feel that much like a job system.
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I’m not sure I love the license board. It feels like if the sphere grid gave you the opportunity to make mistakes. Well, there’s always cheating if I gently caress it up
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Ainsley McTree posted:I’m not sure I love the license board. It feels like if the sphere grid gave you the opportunity to make mistakes. Well, there’s always cheating if I gently caress it up My suggestion is to hold off on unlocking quickenings until you have two boards you can cross-reference, since there are four quickening squares but characters only have three quickenings, and the square you don’t choose gets wiped off the board, potentially locking you out of some skills. The shikari board is uniquely terrible since you have to give up a ninja swords license.
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