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Oxxidation posted:kankri was a bullying rear end in a top hat who used woke rhetoric as a shield for his cruelty. those people are real and they’re common, they’re just kind of quaint in light of all the contemporary Nazis right like you genuinely cant exist in a broad queer space online without tripping over ten of these assholes spread across the bad-good faith spectrum, everything from the maybe-mostly-well-intentioned baby gays who have just absorbed half a perspective and are ready to tell you everything they know as if it was everything at all, all the way down to the legitimate actual neonazis who figured out that if enough of your rhetoric is social justice buzzwords then an idiot class of peoples brains will just slide off the repackaged, again, literal nazi talk because its for the kids or safe spaces (for different opinions [further nazi talk]) or whatever. i wont pretend kankri was handled fabulously well but thats just definitely a type of person floating around lol floofyscorp posted:I swear there was a browser extension going around at the time that would un-quirk the trolls pesterlogs. Probably long gone by now though. i'm seeing this for chrome right now, i assume within the week someone will have one for the unofficial collection right 
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I just can't say I see it as that nuanced of a critique. It felt more like "this is the kind of feminist I find obnoxious, because they talk about things like microaggressions and cultural appropriation that I personally think are not a big deal, unlike this equally strawman feminist I've constructed over here, who focuses on things I perceive to be REAL issues". Very "lol you're talking about sexist video game designs when women are SUFFERING in SAUDI ARABIA" kind of vibe. Like, yeah, bad faith feminists who weaponize social justice poo poo are absolutely a problem, now more than ever. But in like 2013 or whatever it was, coming from someone who at the time presented as a white cishet guy (don't know what his status is nowadays) it just felt very "hmm I see, ok" especially combined with the handful of trolls that were mostly there to make fun of mentally ill teenagers on the internet. Most of the queer circles I ran in could not root out those types for the longest time and took a long time to reflect on how much damage they'd done (such as community figureheads like monetizeyourcat, if anyone remembers that old chestnut), let alone folks outside of it. Especially on the tail of things like "I feel so CAUCASIAN" or the part where he tried to claim the humans weren't even a little race-coded and had to go back and edit out the bit about beta-Dirk being a white rapper. I appreciate the other takes on it, but it definitely didn't feel good at the time and I feel like it would have aged even worse if I went back to read it. It just feels like a few reddit centrist jokes wrapped up into one character, "lol triggered!!11" being at the top. Also has there been any news on Homestuck 2 finishing or anything? Or is that just sort of in development hell forever?
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there’s no nuance about it, it’s just a fact. it’s part of the text. it becomes undeniable when he essentially tells the most severely handicapped member of their party that his existence is itself problematic, and the fact that this guy happens to be dating the girl kankri’s crushing on is, of course, strictly coincidental it’s not like we didn’t see the exact same thing on these forums, with a handful of malcontents screaming “transphobe” and “racist” at everyone who looked at them side-eyed while literally drawing up enemy lists and secret plans to coup the admin team e: like in the very same walkaround karkat outright says he’s just a prick who sticks to a calm and reasonable voice. kankri’s problem wasn’t that he used Social justice rhetoric, it’s that he used it strictly for his own self-aggrandizement (and occasionally as a way to demean others). I wasn’t surprised to see this comic’s waning discourse retcon him as a critique of the perfidious SJW’s Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Feb 17, 2022 |
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Oxxidation posted:there’s no nuance about it, it’s just a fact. it’s part of the text. it becomes undeniable when he essentially tells the most severely handicapped member of their party that his existence is itself problematic, and the fact that this guy happens to be dating the girl kankri’s crushing on is, of course, strictly coincidental I totally forgot about that part in the walkaround. It's been a lot of years since I read it. Mea culpa.
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Feb 17, 2022 22:40
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The idea that Kankri written nowadays would be a TERF is spot on.
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Tiny Myers posted:I just can't say I see it as that nuanced of a critique. It felt more like "this is the kind of feminist I find obnoxious, It's maybe only tangential, but a notable thing about Kankri is that he was not much of a feminist. Gender inequality in his society was a blind spot for him and something he played down when it was pointed out.
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And Porrim called Kankri out on it and he just kept right on going.
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GunnerJ posted:It's maybe only tangential, but a notable thing about Kankri is that he was not much of a feminist. Gender inequality in his society was a blind spot for him and something he played down when it was pointed out. You could argue Kankri was a bit unrefined, given how many people (regardless of personal opinions) interpret as just generic complaining about tumblr kids or whatever. That whole scene is now a very interesting time capsule of social media circa 2013. Like horse ebooks homages before we all learned it was just an esoteric ad.
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dipwood posted:The idea that Kankri written nowadays would be a TERF is spot on. Ayuh
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been listening to a newer podcast recently called Homestuck Made This World (by two of the ranged touch guys, who I had heard to be good listens but do not rly know otherwise) that's part read-along (one guy an mspa fan since problem sleuth, the other brand new to it) part lit crit kinda tying some homestuck stuff to larger trends in media and citing books about it, part historically looking at the community and how it grew and changed with the comic. the one guy been looking thru the archived SA threads to get a vibe check on how everyone was doing and it's been cool to listen to as someone who only started before game over and found the thread either some time after the comic ended or in the wake of the epilogues. they just started act 5 and been consistent with updates every other friday, been a great listen so far
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Lol I was just coming here to ask if anyone else here was listening to Homestuck Made the World. I'm really enjoying it so far! I'm not reading a long but it is a fun way to revisit things and I'm absolutely loving the bits of fandom history and recontextualizing of parts of the comic with what was going on online at the time
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one observation about kankri i liked is that he sucks at even being performatively woke because he puts trigger warnings after the potentially triggering subjects in his interminable monologues
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paranoid randroid posted:one observation about kankri i liked is that he sucks at even being performatively woke because he puts trigger warnings after the potentially triggering subjects in his interminable monologues Yeah, Kankri wasn't the one of the things which aged the worst in the comic.
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Happy Landfill posted:Lol I was just coming here to ask if anyone else here was listening to Homestuck Made the World. I'm really enjoying it so far! I'm not reading a long but it is a fun way to revisit things and I'm absolutely loving the bits of fandom history and recontextualizing of parts of the comic with what was going on online at the time Yeah, I'm enjoying it, too. It's also making me want to glance through the previous MSPA threads. Anyone have links to those? I don't seem to be able to find them in the archives.
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maltesh posted:Yeah, I'm enjoying it, too. It's also making me want to glance through the previous MSPA threads. Anyone have links to those? I don't seem to be able to find them in the archives. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3185668 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3364012 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3407458 those are all the ones i could find
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Oxxidation posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3185668 Quoting this for secret reasons
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Happy Landfill posted:Lol I was just coming here to ask if anyone else here was listening to Homestuck Made the World. I'm really enjoying it so far! I'm not reading a long but it is a fun way to revisit things and I'm absolutely loving the bits of fandom history and recontextualizing of parts of the comic with what was going on online at the time I've been LOVING this podcast, infact it's why I came back to check on the thread! In one of the recent episodes they really struck on something I never noticed until recently. Specifically Hussie's tendency to abdicate the more problematic elements to their characters, like Equius/Aradia issue (rather that admitting fault or that they were somewhat out of their depth), while certain elements they would claim authorship over without a second thought. Even in more recent work like the commentary in the books are given "the ole ironic two-step". And I suppose those issues are only going to continue to be sticking points in the podcast, and frankly I can't wait to see their read on later acts when the relationship between Author/Fanbase becomes even more strained with issues like The Kickstarter and mega/gigapauses. Another Note: I was around during the beginning threads and even I totally forgot the whole "Oh yeah Hussie reads the thread" reaction. It was kind of cool to hear the breakdown of forum cultures between MSPA/SA, and how even SA's tried and true ironic detachment couldn't save folks from just unironically becoming fans. Fancy Hat! fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Feb 23, 2022 |
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They actually touch on that in the second episode, where they talk about the use of "Octoroon" on page 69 in the Colonel Sassacre book. Hussie using it as something the character of 'racist old Sassacre' would have used. They go into how using it as a punchline is problematic. Its not really the punchline though, the punchline is that its a bunch of words and John just doesn't want to deal with reading a giant book right now. Maybe its the decades of internet poisioning, but I almost find it more acceptable to present caricatures as they are rather then pretend those sort of people don't exist in real life. It is faithful to lived experience and allows us to look back and say "wow those people are trash I'm glad they were an example of what not to do". Even if you recreate them in a modern depiction.
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I'm definitely anticipating the Kickstarter and Hiatus eras and I'm curious how much Tumblr is going to factor in to their discussion of the comic's popularity. I kind of wonder if they'll be able to pinpoint the moment when the relationship between Hussie and the audience becomes more...fraught, I guess is the word you could use. They point out specific moments here and there but I wonder where the line is where you can confidently say, "Yeah, from here on out things were kind of different" The one quote that really stuck out to me was the bit about Homestuck being the swansong of personal web pages as we enter the era of platforms being the norm (not direct quote). It's kind of my favorite thing about this show, being able to go back and go, "Oh yeah, that's what the 'net was like back then" Wish I had Plat so I could go and try to find the Which Troll is the Goon Troll discussion  I'm not sure why Michael recounting that had me laughing so hard, but it did.
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Happy Landfill posted:I wonder where the line is where you can confidently say, "Yeah, from here on out things were kind of different" trickster mode
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Valentin posted:trickster mode Honestly? Yeah. I had that part earmarked in my head, I just wasn't sure if maybe there was a point sooner than that.
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M_Gargantua posted:They actually touch on that in the second episode, where they talk about the use of "Octoroon" on page 69 in the Colonel Sassacre book. Hussie using it as something the character of 'racist old Sassacre' would have used. They go into how using it as a punchline is problematic. Its not really the punchline though, the punchline is that its a bunch of words and John just doesn't want to deal with reading a giant book right now. You (or at least the average reader) wouldn't have spoilered, or even put it into quotes, if you were discussing it at the time that was written, which sort of undercuts your point.
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M_Gargantua posted:They actually touch on that in the second episode, where they talk about the use of "Octoroon" on page 69 in the Colonel Sassacre book. Hussie using it as something the character of 'racist old Sassacre' would have used. They go into how using it as a punchline is problematic. Its not really the punchline though, the punchline is that its a bunch of words and John just doesn't want to deal with reading a giant book right now. Another thing they bring up is that the rest of the text contextualizes that caricature. The comic is full of casual bigotry, so when Sassacre is casually bigoted but in an old-timey way the joke isn't about the racism, it's about the funny words.
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Happy Landfill posted:Wish I had Plat so I could go and try to find the Which Troll is the Goon Troll discussion god it totally made sense to me, this was peak Self Loathing Goon era, everyone constantly insisting that all goons including and especially themselves know how to do was stay inside eat potato chipe and argue lmao
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Death Bot posted:god it totally made sense to me, this was peak Self Loathing Goon era, everyone constantly insisting that all goons including and especially themselves know how to do was stay inside eat potato chipe and argue lmao Yes... It is... Good we no longer... Do that.
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Please GOD let this be a fake https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/t1f13j/aita_for_accidentally_revealing_that_someones/ AITA for accidentally revealing that someone’s husband named their baby after a Homestuck character which directly resulted in their pending divorce quote:Trust me I KNOW this sounds ridiculous and if it wasn’t happening to me I wouldn’t believe it either.
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I really hope those 'other things' she left him for are uh More substantial Regardless Jesus Christ please be fake
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multiple people irl have changed their own names fully into homestuck names so It Is A Possibility
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lol lmao honesty if its true good the guy sounds like a scumbag for pulling that extent of lying bullshit
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Wait, a baby? So someone was naming their child after a Homestuck character in, like, 2021, ten years after the comic peaked?
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Tenebrais posted:Wait, a baby? So someone was naming their child after a Homestuck character in, like, 2021, ten years after the comic peaked? This is the most (maybe only) implausible part.
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it being vriska gives it away shouldve gone with kanaya or eridan, those could read as weird bad baby names
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Varinn posted:shouldve gone with kanaya or eridan, those could read as weird bad baby names
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If true it reads more like the husband already being on thin ice and that was the final straw.
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I can't imagine what other red flags he could be on thin ice for...
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Four letters if human. Six if troll. That's how you have an OC child
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AITA and r/relationships are basically creative writing forums at this point, or people attempting to craft scenarios that would totally validate their desire to be overtly racist and/or transphobic. (the real giveaway is no cis heterosexual man would claim Vriska as a waifu; she is exclusively the property of queer folks) That said, I'm naming all my kids Vriska and they'll have to learn to tell each other apart by the varied distinct inflections with which I call each of their names Plom Bar fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Feb 26, 2022 |
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Ah, the George Foreman solution.
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