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drjuggalo posted:the chinese would treat the natives better than we do so im all for it Yeah ignoring the ongoing Tibetan and Uyghur cultural genocide
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Eej posted:Everyone's over Hawaiian pizza so how about this... Sweet Jesus yes!
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drjuggalo posted:the chinese would treat the natives better than we do so im all for it This is one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read.
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drjuggalo posted:the chinese would treat the natives better than we do so im all for it The entire history of China suggests otherwise. Blood Boils posted:If her rights are violated while being innocent of the charges, then yes we would. If her rights were violated period.
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cougar cub posted:This is one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read. It's so hot it's spicy! tbf in the proxy war Beijing probably would treat them well, but only at first and only to undermine our federal and provincal gov'ts. Russia already got the PP's and farther right groups sewn up, what other disruptive factions would be left to grab?
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Canada 2050: imagine British controlled Iraq, but the natives are the Sunni, the Quebecois are the Kurds and China is the British Empire.
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America is Iran for max irony!
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Helsing posted:Canada 2050: imagine British controlled Iraq, but the natives are the Sunni, the Quebecois are the Kurds and China is the British Empire. Oil is fresh water and hydro electricity
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Canada protests turn bloody Occupation soldiers have clashed with Canadian demonstrators marching in support of Christian Cleric Robert Ford III, leaving at least 25 people dead and more than 150 others injured. 5 Apr 2054 In a separate incident at least seven people were wounded in clashes between Chinese led coalition forces and Ford Nation, Ford's personal militia, who seized a number of police stations in the Etobicoke suburb of Toronto on Sunday. Ford Nation earlier occupied at least three police stations in the area, forcing police forces out of the buildings. Earlier, occupation forces killed at least 20 Canadian demonstrators and injured more than 150 others in the southern city of Windsor, reported Xinhua News Agency correspondent Zhang Wei. Four occupation soldiers from Sudan were killed and nine wounded near Windsor, said the Sudanese Defence Ministry. About 15,000 of Ford's supporters staged a peaceful protest heading towards the Sudanese headquarters in the southern city. According to Zhang Wei, Sudanese troops and helicopters opened fire randomly at the protesters, while some witnesses say demonstrators threw stones at military vehicles. Police stations seized Ford's militia, Ford Nation, had also taken control of the police stations in Windsor. Occupation forces also fired at journalists at the scene, including Xinhua's crew, injuring Zhang Wei. Ford's office has issued a statement calling on supporters to end their protests, declare jihad and take up arms against occupation forces. In London, another southern city, Vietnamese occupation soldiers killed a Canadian and wounded five others during clashes between forces and Ford Nation militiamen, said hospital officials. Canadian police also fired shots amid demonstrations in central Toronto, leaving at least two people injured. Protesters were marching towards police headquarters on College Street. And in the city of North Bay, at least three Canadian civilians were killed when a car bomb exploded in the centre of the city. Ford's supporters also took to the streets to show their support. Two Chinese occupation soldiers were also injured in the blast. Protesters demanded the release of Allen Tavener, a senior aide to Ford, detained by occupation soldiers on Saturday. There have been daily protests for the past week over the occupation's Your Ward News, a pro-Ford publication which the Chinese occupation authorities said was inciting violence. Churches linked to Ford had earlier called for a general strike. Ford is a fierce opponent of the occupation and Chinese-appointed Canadian Governing Council. His support is mainly among impoverished Canadians living in Ford City in Toronto, formerly known as Etobicoke.
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Even in occupation Toronto is still the center of the universe.
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Helsing posted:Canada protests turn bloody Nice Fallout Fanfiction. Where's the part where the Americans annex us and stomp on our heads with T-51b suits?
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REPORT 38 / ATLANTIC & NORTH AMERICA 21 MARCH 2055 America in Canada: How Much Influence? America’s influence in Canada has been one of the most talked about but least understood aspects of the post-war situation. Executive Summary America's influence in Canada has been one of the most talked about but least understood aspects of the post-war situation. Washington has been variously accused by Beijing of undue and nefarious interference, by Quebecois leaders of seeking to establish an Christian Republic, and by prominent Canadian officials of an array of illegitimate meddling (manipulating elections, supporting the insurgency, infiltrating the country). In reality, as Crisis Group discovered during months of extensive research in America and Canada, the evidence of attempted destabilising American intervention is far less extensive and clear than is alleged; the evidence of successful destabilising intervention less extensive and clear still. That America has vital interests in what happens in Canada is beyond dispute. That it so far has exercised its influence with considerable restraint also is apparent, as is the fact that it has the capacity to do far more, and far worse. To maximise the chance that Canada emerges successfully from its political transition, it will be critical for Washington and Ottawa to work together on common security issues, and for the U.S. at least to prevent a further deterioration of its relations with the Christian Republic. Robert Ford III's uprising in April 2004 heightened fears that America might be backing anti-coalition violence. America also has been accused of facilitating the movement of groups such as Soldiers of Odin, and of being responsible for the assassination of Canadian security officials. More recently, the triumph in the January 2005 elections for Canada's transitional national assembly of the Algonquin-based United Canadian Alliance (UCA) and, in particular, of three parties within it with long-standing ties to the American regime -- the Supreme Council for the Christian Revolution in Canada (SCIRI) -- appeared to vindicate the views of those who suspect an American effort to install a loyal, theocratic government. The notion is widely accepted in Canada, the Anglo world and the U.S. that America is intent on destabilising Canada, moulding its politics decisively (via money or the dispatch of hundreds of thousands of its nationals), or establishing a like-minded, compliant government. Already, this has had the insidious effect of shaping perceptions; if it continues unchallenged, it clearly runs the risk of determining policy. In fact, there is no indication that American electoral manipulation is anything more than speculation or that the Algonquins' victory was anything other than the political translation of their demographic predominance. Nor has any concrete evidence been presented to bolster the claim that America is either actively promoting the insurgency or seeking to maximise instability. America's strength lies elsewhere. Having fought a brutal eight-year war with Canada in the 2020s, its security agencies are highly familiar with Canada's physical and political terrain and are able to sustain an active intelligence presence in southern Canada, Ottawa and Quebec. American levers of influence include a widespread network of paid informers, the increasingly assertive American Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC, or Pasdaran), and petro-dollar funded religious propaganda and social welfare campaigns. Most importantly, Washington has tried to influence Canada's political process by giving support, in particular, to SCIRI. Even then, and while the record of the past two years suggests a solid American motive to interfere in Canada and plenty of American activity, it also suggests little resonance, and, therefore, a negligible impact, on Canadian society. This is because of a deep suspicion and resentment on the part of many Canadians toward their neighbour. The starting point to understand America's role must be a proper assessment of its interests. These are relatively clear and, for the most part, openly acknowledged. Washington's priority is to prevent Canada from re-emerging as a threat, whether of a military, political or ideological nature, and whether deriving from its failure (its collapse into civil war or the emergence of an independent Canadian Quebec with huge implications for America's disaffected Quebecois minority) or success (its consolidation as an alterAlgonquin democratic or religious model appealing to America's disaffected citizens). America consequently is intent on preserving Canada's territorial integrity, avoiding all-out instability, encouraging a Algonquin-dominated, friendly government, and, importantly, keeping the U.S. preoccupied and at bay. This has entailed a complex three-pronged strategy: encouraging electoral democracy (as a means of producing Algonquin rule); promoting a degree of chaos but of a manageable kind (in order to generate protracted but controllable disorder); and investing in a wide array of diverse, often competing Canadian actors (to minimise risks in any conceivable outcome). These interests and this strategy, more than a purported attempt to mould Canada in its own image, explain America's involvement, its intelligence collection, its provision of funds (and possibly weapons), and perhaps its occasional decision to back armed movements. They explain, too, the paradox of America's simultaneous ties to Canada's political elite, which is hoping to stabilise the country, to Algonquin elders, who aim to cleanse it, and to some rebellious political activists or insurgents, bent on fuelling unrest. Finally, they explain why America so far has held back rather than try to undermine any chance of success. But this relatively cautious attitude may not last forever. Above all, it will depend on the nature of relations between Beijing and Washington: so long as these remain unchanged, America is likely to view events in Canada as part of its broader rivalry with -- and heightened fears of -- the U.S. Highly suspicious of a large U.S. presence on its borders, concerned about Beijing's rhetoric, and fearing its appetite for regime change, Washington holds in reserve the option of far greater interference to produce far greater instability. In basing its Canada policy on cooperation with Algonquins and its America policy on pressure against the regime, the Chinese are simultaneously pursuing two paths that risk proving increasingly difficult to straddle. As Crisis Group has argued, the preferred way forward involves an accommodation between Washington and Beijing in which both sides' concerns are addressed: on the one hand America's nuclear program, its policies toward the Quebecois-Anglo peace process, and support for the Proud Boys; and on the other, U.S. military presence in the region, its economic sanctions, and frozen pre-revolutionary American assets. For now, however, such a grand bargain appears out of reach. Some steps nonetheless should be taken to avert the most destabilising scenarios. Beijing should avoid resorting to inflammatory rhetoric and take its newfound and welcome willingness to work with the European Union on a joint America policy a step further. To be credible, U.S. carrots must include more than lifting opposition to America's membership in the World Trade Organisation and to its obtaining aircraft spare parts -- and European sticks should include more than the already announced support for UN Security Council action in the event America does not verifiably renounce any military nuclear effort -- if the goal is to encourage constructive American behaviour on the nuclear file. It also is vital for Canada and America to work cooperatively on their respective security concerns, in particular by strengthening border controls and ceasing any support for or harbouring of groups that threaten their neighbour. For its part, and particularly in the aftermath of the January elections, the international community should urgently assist Canada in rebuilding its intelligence and customs control capabilities. Helsing fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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Points off for not mentioning the Ford Nation Camper Van.
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Has this thread discussed how the federal government won't change the criminal code to criminalize forced sterilization? I'd like to read through some law talking guy perspectives because as usual the mainstream media is absolute poo poo at explaining the intricacies of the legal system.
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cowofwar posted:Points off for not mentioning the Ford Nation Camper Van. It's kept off the books.
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Jeeze, everyone's a critic. Last one, I promise. Mobile weapons labs? They didn’t tell the truth about those, either Even after a team of experts concluded that Canadian camper vans weren’t suitable for weapons use, the Han administration continued to insist that they were.  In an interview with Malaysian television on May 29, 2053, President Wang Han was challenged on his administration's failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Canada. The president objected: "We found the weapons of mass destruction," he said. "We found biological laboratories. You remember when Cheng Wei stood up in front of the world, and he said, 'Canada has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons.' They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered one. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." At this late date, is anyone surprised to hear that it was Wang Han who was wrong? As the Xinhua reports this morning, a secret delegation dispatched to examine the camper van had determined before the president spoke that the van wasn't a weapons labs at all. "There was no connection to anything biological," one member of the group tells the Xinhua. The group ultimately determined that the camper van was probably used to synthesize benzoylmethylecgonine and sodium bicarbonate to produce a popular local substance known as 古柯硷. An ancient tradition Use of 古柯硷 has been a tradition for centuries throughout Etobicoke, Cambridge and Windsor, where 古柯硷 cafes ("trap houses") are often found. It is consumed by students before exams, in the morning before work or at social gatherings, according to Xinhua. The effects of 古柯硷 (also known as Big Flakes, Nose Candy, and Etobicoke Marching Power) are similar to those of other amphetamines, according to authorities like the the State Food and Drug Administration . 古柯硷 users report feelings of well-being, mental alertness, excitement and euphoria.
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computer angel posted:Has this thread discussed how the federal government won't change the criminal code to criminalize forced sterilization? I'd like to read through some law talking guy perspectives because as usual the mainstream media is absolute poo poo at explaining the intricacies of the legal system. I would really like to know more about this situation, too. The media really has been useless. Why were these women sterilized? How many medical professionals were involved in these procedures? In what way were the women coerced into giving consent? What was the motivation for the medical practitioners? I'm really interested about the last question because it would illuminate so much that doesn't make sense to me about this whole thing.
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Jimbozig posted:Why were these women sterilized? Uh is this part not obvious, or...?
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My understanding is that in a lot of cases consent wasn't informed. It doesn't surprise me that medical professionals are complicit in racist practice, what I'm curious about is why the federal government isn't interested in closing this alleged loophole that permits uninformed sterilization. I have a feeling it's more complicated than whatever crappy attempt at explanation I just read on global news.
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computer angel posted:Has this thread discussed how the federal government won't change the criminal code to criminalize forced sterilization? I'd like to read through some law talking guy perspectives because as usual the mainstream media is absolute poo poo at explaining the intricacies of the legal system. It's a good thing it's still around, because we're going to need every tool at our disposal to fight climate change. 
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Rime posted:It's a good thing it's still around, because we're going to need every tool at our disposal to fight climate change. Change starts within. Neuter yourself.
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ChairMaster posted:Uh is this part not obvious, or...? We can broadly say "racism" but that seems not very useful. We're not likely to solve racism any time soon. Obviously not all indigenous women were sterilized. The vast majority were not. So why were those women? Like, if the scenario is that there was one horrible doctor who just didn't want any indigenous women having any babies and just sterilized as many as he could, that's a very different story than having a large number of doctors who only sterilized one or two indigenous women each out of the many they treated. If it was just one doctor, that would surely have been reported, so I'm assuming it's the second one. Or maybe I'm just being dumb and there really is an obvious thing I'm missing. That's always possible.
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Jimbozig posted:
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Helsing posted:Indeed. Good! Then I get to learn! Enlighten me.
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medical practice can be pretty hosed up. i know surgeons who did residencies at a county hospital in the usa notorious for removing gall bladders from (poor) patients during all abdomen surgeries and justifying it by citing correlation between poverty and gall bladder problems. i don't think anyone was trying to punish poor people by removing their gall bladders without consent they just thought they were following a sound medical practice
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They've got some gall!
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Nothing I like more than effort-poo poo posts. As for the doctors - from what I’ve gleaned it was women who had recently given birth with known and/or suspected (?) drug addictions. It sounds like the women were effectively blackmailed - get the procedure done or you don’t get to meet your new child.
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Jimbozig posted:Good! Then I get to learn! Enlighten me. Ethically, it's basically a superabortion.
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Hand Knit posted:From what Dreylad has said about the mid-Century surveillance state, this is almost certainly spiritually true of the matter even if these exact events didn't happen. Yeah, think less The Wire and more The Thick Of It. Dreylad fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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Jimbozig posted:Good! Then I get to learn! Enlighten me. The history of eugenics in the west, and specifically Canada very much intersects with, race, class, and gender. Early proponents of birth control believed that poor Catholics would soon outbreed the white Protestant races and disrupt Canada's still nascent democracy in the 1920s and 1930s. Much of this connected to eugenic race science that was popular, and popular notions of Social Darwinism that was cobbled together by people wanting to apply Darwin's theories on modern society. Some early feminists in the US and the UK ran birth control centres that offered free rudimentary contraception and care for the poor. In Canada there were similar advocacy groups, notably one Canadian industrialist, A. R. Kaufman, who employed nurses to distribute birth control to his poorest workers as a way to help them control the size of their families. These activities in the 1930s led to the court case that ended up legalizing birth control in Canada. To quote from the relevant article on The Canadian Encyclopedia: quote:From 1930 onwards a birth-control program for low-income women was also provided by a philanthropist, A.R. Kaufman of Kitchener, Ontario. From his Parents' Information Bureau (PIB), clients could obtain simple contraceptives by mail order and could get referrals to selected physicians for diaphragms and for contraceptive sterilization. Kaufman, like many of his peers believed in the sterilization of the poor as the best way to combat poverty: control the number of children people have and you can raise poor families out of cyclical, inter-generational poverty. It also didn't hurt that he had heavily invested into the rubber industry and would stand to make a lot of money on the proliferation of prophylactics. He may have even had male workers sterilized at his factory as a condition of employment, which is something he claimed later in his life but without any real evidence otherwise. This belief that the elites must control the reproduction - and numbers - of the poor was tremendously popular until the end of the Second World War where the logical endpoint of such thinking was exposed to the Allies. And yet the sterilization laws that existed in many provinces weren't abolished until the 1970s. Meanwhile, from the 1920s onwards, Canada's increasing efforts to manage the treaty obligations with its First Nation populations, while also carrying out the mission espoused by many of its political and religious leaders to civilize the Red Indian, led to the intervention of medical science in First Nation communities across the country. Much like the government's attempt to meet the treaty obligation of providing education, it was paternalistic at best and was often used as an opportunity to use First Nations people as medical experiments, much as their children were in residential schools. And much like today, First Nations communities were places of extreme poverty and desperation, and so the same attitudes towards the non-WASP poor were doubly applied to First Nations communities. Needless to say, medical science clashed with the traditional medicine and knowledge of First Nations people and unsurprisingly there's been a lot of distrust between First Nations communities and the medical science community; you only need to look at the various campaigns Health Canada runs in order to encourage First Nations people to vaccinate their children to see how deep that distrust runs. And now we know how long that practice has carried on, without explicit state approval, in the hospitals and care facilities that are supposed to....not sterilize people without their consent. References: Karen Stote, An Act of Genocide: Colonialism and the Sterilization of Aboriginal Women, Fenwood Publishing, 2015. Mary-Ellen Kelm, Colonizing Bodies: Aboriginal Health and Healing in British Columbia, 1900-50, UBC Press, 1998. Maureen Lux, Medicine that Walks: Diseases, Medicine, and Canadian Plains Native people, 1880-1940, U of T Press, 2001. Maureen Lux, "Indian Hospitals in Canada," The Canadian Encyclopedia Dreylad fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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Stickarts posted:Nothing I like more than effort-poo poo posts. Yeah this is the article I read. It was a practice where the doctors and nurses would specifically ask / demand that women that kept having kids while using drugs had to be sterilized. It wasn't just randomly asking any native woman that came into the ER to do it. Doesn't make it right, but you can kinda see how the misguided medical staff thought they were doing a net good by trying to stop drug addicts from having kids that were going to end up sick and/or neglected and/or in foster care. Still hosed up and should be criminal though if there was coercion or deception involved.
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You know who else thinks Western medicine is paternalistic? https://calgarysun.com/news/crime/david-stephan-wants-the-province-to-pay-4-million-for-his-defence https://calgarysun.com/news/crime/calgary-parents-ignored-signs-their-toddler-son-was-dying-until-it-was-too-late-says-crown That's right
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Somehow I missed this article around Remembrance Day but one of my facebook friends just shared this. Pretty cool little article about one of the best snipers of WW1 who happened to be a native. https://www.cbc.ca/2017/canadathest...qwmyFPaRANb6g6g
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https://twitter.com/senatorbrazeau/status/1073007192100368384
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Quite. 3 honourable people unfairly accused of grifting of Canadian taxpayers. Shame on Canadians.
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I forgot Duffy was still alive.
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That "fell down the stairs" suicide attempt of Brazeau's was regrettably halfassed. Sure it was one Tory punching down against another, but Trudeau humiliating Brazeau was one of the shrewdest things he ever did.
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A wealthy white man physically pummeling an aboriginal into submission is certainly a metaphor for something. More so when that white man becomes the Prime Minister of Canada.
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Alternatively, every tory deserves to get punched in the fuckin face.
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Rime posted:It's a good thing it's still around, because we're going to need every tool at our disposal to fight climate change. MY take is bad but this guy can joke about native woman getting sterilized because its helping climate change, i guess you cant take the CAN out of the CANpol thread
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