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Arist posted:The DCEU is not going for fantasy, is the thing. It's a serious setting for serious movies for serious people.
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twistedmentat posted:It's a serious setting for serious movies for serious people. Only the most serious films include jars of piss at dramatic moments.
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Dec 13, 2016 05:21
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Arist posted:The DCEU is not going for fantasy, is the thing. It's been confirmed that Diana and the Amazons in the DCEU have ties to the deities of the Greek pantheon though?
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Dec 13, 2016 05:25
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Also they keep specifically calling Aquaman a sword and sorcery movie.
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Dec 13, 2016 05:26
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teagone posted:It's been confirmed that Diana and the Amazons in the DCEU have ties to the deities of the Greek pantheon though? I meant tonally, though Aphrodite posted:Also they keep specifically calling Aquaman a sword and sorcery movie. I had not heard this.
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Dec 13, 2016 05:28
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BrianWilly posted:I think a moniker like "The Ocean Master" works perfectly fine in a fantasy setting. If a guy walked in during Lord of the Rings calling himself The Ocean Master you bet my rear end people would dunk on him for it.
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Dec 13, 2016 05:35
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There's a dude named Bilbo.
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Dec 13, 2016 05:38
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Aphrodite posted:There's a dude named Bilbo. He's a hobbit he was never going for dignity.
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Dec 13, 2016 05:42
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It works fine as a title or as a boast ("I am the master of the oceans").
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Dec 13, 2016 05:44
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Change it to the Ocean Baiter, because he keeps baiting out Aquaman to fight him.
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Dec 13, 2016 05:59
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I like Patrick Wilson -- he was Nite Owl! But I don't think of him as a villain or a threat; I think of him as the guy who plays nice, stable guys who women always abandon for the cooler, more dangerous guy. Kind of what Bill Pullman spent his career doing, aside from Spaceballs, Independence Day, and Zero Effect.
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Dec 13, 2016 06:09
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pee out my butt posted:Change it to the Ocean Baiter, because he keeps baiting out Aquaman to fight him. Ocean Baiter sounds dumb, call him the Master Baiter. 
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Dec 13, 2016 08:57
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Arist posted:I meant tonally, though What the hell is fantasy "tonally"? Fantasy isn't based on tone, either as a genre or as a mode of thought.
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Dec 13, 2016 10:55
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I like Patrick Wilson -- he was Nite Owl! But I don't think of him as a villain or a threat; I think of him as the guy who plays nice, stable guys who women always abandon for the cooler, more dangerous guy. Watch Hard Candy, you won't see him the same ever again.
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Dec 13, 2016 11:31
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Ocean Master doesn't seem that far from Super Man and Wonder Woman.
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Dec 13, 2016 13:23
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I feel as though I would like the DCEU (as it stands) better if they were building up to Luthor and the Injustice Gang as the villains rather than Darkseid. I'm just a bit bored with Darkseid as the main villain who's behind everything, I suppose.
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Dec 13, 2016 13:49
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Electromax posted:Ocean Master doesn't seem that far from Super Man and Wonder Woman. They have downplayed "Superman" a bit too. Marvel does it as well; lots of the SHIELD agents get called by their actual names (Romanov, Barton, Morse) over their codenames (Black Widow, Hawkeye, Mockingbird) and the same goes for some villains. Iron Monger and Leatherjacket get references but they aren't used directly, and Vanko is Vanko rather than Whiplash or whatever. The times when it does happen are generally where there's a separate persona; Iron Man is a corporate mascot, Hulk is a different person to Banner, Captain America and The Mandarin are explicit propaganda, Ant Man is a legacy character, etc.
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Dec 13, 2016 13:54
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X-O posted:Surely they won't call him Ocean Master, even in a world of heroes and villains with dumb names that one's a step up in stupidity. It still doesn't sound as stupid as "Aquaman"
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Wheat Loaf posted:I feel as though I would like the DCEU (as it stands) better if they were building up to Luthor and the Injustice Gang as the villains rather than Darkseid. When has he been? This would be the first time he's ever been in a live action movie or even referenced in one.
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Dec 13, 2016 13:59
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greatn posted:When has he been? This would be the first time he's ever been in a live action movie or even referenced in one. I meant in the comics and the cartoons.
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Dec 13, 2016 14:25
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Wheat Loaf posted:I meant in the comics and the cartoons. On that front, I stopped reading around Final Crisis and started again at Rebirth. He doesn't seem that involved anymore. Last time I saw him in a cartoon he was voiced by weird Al.
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Dec 13, 2016 14:34
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I hope he's called "The Ocean Master." gently caress all y'all haters. 
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Dec 13, 2016 18:37
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:What the hell is fantasy "tonally"? Fantasy isn't based on tone, either as a genre or as a mode of thought. I was gonna argue this but then I realized you had just changed your avatar so nope.
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Dec 13, 2016 18:41
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:It still doesn't sound as stupid as "Aquaman" Ocean Master would be a better name for Aquaman. ...Or a cruise ship.
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Dec 13, 2016 18:56
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Arist posted:I was gonna argue this but then I realized you had just changed your avatar so nope. I think this might be one of BotL's stopped clock moments, because I have no idea what you're trying to argue. The DCEU is absolutely fantasy, it's just really lovely fantasy that neither understands nor respects the characters that sustain it.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:42
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Chaos Hippy posted:I think this might be one of BotL's stopped clock moments, because I have no idea what you're trying to argue. The DCEU is absolutely fantasy, it's just really lovely fantasy that neither understands nor respects the characters that sustain it. What I'm trying to say is that the actual fantastical elements are either heavily downplayed or treated with grim seriousness. Man of Steel has maybe one scene that actually tries to lean into those parts of itself, the flying scene, and it's the best scene in the movie. I'm not saying that it doesn't have the right parts to be considered fantasy, I'm saying DC's universe, from what I had seen, anyway, wants to avoid that label as much as it can.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:50
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Based on the three movies currently available, I can see where you're coming from.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:55
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Arist posted:What I'm trying to say is that the actual fantastical elements are either heavily downplayed or treated with grim seriousness. Man of Steel has maybe one scene that actually tries to lean into those parts of itself, the flying scene, and it's the best scene in the movie. I'm not saying that it doesn't have the right parts to be considered fantasy, I'm saying DC's universe, from what I had seen, anyway, wants to avoid that label as much as it can. Actually the movies are pretty over-the-top comic book fantasy. In Mos for example the fantastical scenes tend to be either cathartic (the flight, the school bus being pushed out of the river) or apocalyptic (Krypton's dystopia, the invasion) or both (the Metropolis fight). It's a bit seroius, but a really grimly serious superhero movie is something like the Dark Knight, which states that all heroes are doomed to failure. A clearly more potent fantasy is fans imagining DC/Snyder/Warner Bros mistreating the characters and denying them respect. Fictional characters are actually just storytelling devices and can't be denied "respect".
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Dec 13, 2016 20:07
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Shut up, though
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Fictional characters are actually just storytelling devices and can't be denied "respect". So, to you, the phrase "The director showed great respect to the source material," is nonsensical?
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Dec 13, 2016 23:50
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Ayer and Robbie's SS follow-up is Gotham City Sirens. Screenplay not by David Ayer. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/gotham-city-sirens-movie-david-ayer-margot-robbie-reteam-all-female-dc-villains-project-
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Dec 14, 2016 00:08
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I guess you can see how the Birds of Prey rumors could come from that.
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Dec 14, 2016 00:53
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Welp, there goes Margot Robbie's hopes she won't be grotesquely sexualised in HQ's next movie.
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Dec 14, 2016 02:04
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I can't help but think this will be gross
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Dec 14, 2016 02:12
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Daphnaie posted:Welp, there goes Margot Robbie's hopes she won't be grotesquely sexualised in HQ's next movie. From what I remember when that stuff was first announced she's getting some control over stuff by being made a producer on it. Edit: Yeah, the article mentions she's an executive producer on the movie so she'll have some say on how she's portrayed.
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Dec 14, 2016 02:24
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I'm imagining Sucker Punch with Batman villains and that doesn't sound very appealing to me.
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Dec 14, 2016 02:26
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Teenage Fansub posted:Ayer and Robbie's SS follow-up is Gotham City Sirens. Screenplay not by David Ayer. There's also a SS sequel almost certainly happening and talk of a Deadshot spinoff as well. But LOL Suicide Squad was a flop right?
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Dec 14, 2016 05:15
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No, it wasn't a flop financially at all. It's not a good movie though. I'd say it's the worst of the DC movies by a fairly wide margin. And it was supposed to be the best after the lukewarm reception of the first two. At this point every DC movie is supposed to be the one that gets it right though. Let's just hope that Wonder Woman is finally the one.
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Dec 14, 2016 05:19
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They got movies right the first time.
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Yup. It's still the best comic book movie ever made.
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