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Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

I hope she's wearing Burberry when the walls come tumbling down.

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PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

Spice World War II posted:

https://twitter.com/bretgustafson/status/1291116672250793985

So, this guy was the head of the same paramilitary fascist group Camacho stems from...

And someone on twitter was saying he is more-or-less proudly descended from Ustasa exiles.

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004
Great latin america news from the Biden campaign!

https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/1291534705997893633

https://twitter.com/ananavarro/status/418459436907511808

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Flatlander woman

littleorv
Jan 29, 2011

420... nice

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Cat Mattress posted:

Flatlander woman

How did you know...

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


https://twitter.com/MacheteyMate/status/1292602736505233409

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004
Social movements and unions have been protesting and blockading much of the country with road blocks in Bolivia for more than a week. Including the COB which "liberal" coup apologists always like to cite as "totally on board with the totally not a coup regime"

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1288184667867353090

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1293968098295533574

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1293732369329983489

The coup regime reacted by openly asking for support/violence from their fascists paramilitaries backers

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1293603656143642624

They do like saying the quiet part out loud:

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1293552586541465608

(Just kidding, that part was never quiet in Bolivia, it was just curated out of the reporting for the benefit of the liberal western media, because it doesn't play well if you want to justify the coup)

Our darling regime change activist @JhanisseVDaza and heir to a dictators fortune of course is properly curating the protests for western audiences with the help of her friends like Yascha Mounk at the Atlantic:
https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/1293203397299118081 (amazing thread, American liberal cannot decide what's possibly worse, MAS getting reelected or some more fascism. After all, this is not a clear cut thing like in the American elections with Biden or Trump!)

The good news is that even though the fascist paramilitaries tried their best,

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1293300989550886913

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1294125070990938112

the strike and blockades seem to have won out for now:

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1293748548794748928

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1294026550229303298

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1294062023114973189

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

if they manage to turn this into an actual revolution i will laugh and laugh, it would be the biggest self-own of reactionary elites since cuba's revolution

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
The people of Bolivia seem to know what people in rich countries have forgotten, which is that a general strike is an immensely powerful political weapon. They might be able to shoot you and bomb you and throw you in prison, but they actually can't force you to work, and if nobody works then the country stops functioning no matter who's in charge.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/8/13/bolivia_general_strike_ollie_vargas

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

vyelkin posted:

The people of Bolivia seem to know what people in rich countries have forgotten, which is that a general strike is an immensely powerful political weapon. They might be able to shoot you and bomb you and throw you in prison, but they actually can't force you to work, and if nobody works then the country stops functioning no matter who's in charge.

Yeah, it works. But challenge is convincing enough people to join it when they are poor and vulnerable and unemployment is high, as often happens in poor countries

Kal-L
Jan 18, 2005

Heh... Spider-man... Web searches... That's funny. I should've trademarked that one. Could've made a mint.
Meanwhile, in Mexico...
https://twitter.com/SinEmbargoMX/status/1295446549267279872

The PAN-PRI kept saying that the whole Emilio Lozoya (part of Peņa Nieto's cabinet) case was just a distraction, that things weren't clear...

I don't know how much more clear you can get than a video showing a now former secretary from a PAN senator getting bags and bags of money, which was :airquote: allegedly :airquote: used to buy votes to pass the Energy Reform in the Senate.

Baka-nin
Jan 25, 2015

Seems like Maduro has fallen out with his coalition partners, so far the Venezuelan communist party has withdrawn support and its hq has armed troops stationed outside it. And I've seen Tupamaro announce its leaving the Patriotic Pole, and some of its leaders have been detained and/or arrested.
https://twitter.com/libcomorg/status/1296177892670484481?s=19

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004
Surely this is fine and just shows how committed the interim government is to democracy:

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1296177631117938688

https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1296177708158914561

I am looking forward to future president Joe Biden working hand in hand with the democratically confirmed no-longer-interim government (after they win the election by default because all the MAS candidates are in prison). I am sure Ana Navarro and her contra buddies can advise on how to pacify the uppity natives

Edit: See, regular bolivians agree!

https://twitter.com/LUISSALINASSAN1/status/1296178556767281153

https://twitter.com/LUISSALINASSAN1/status/1296199996828786695

Spice World War II fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Aug 20, 2020

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1296663344422834176?s=20

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
They're playing the Julian Assange card I see.

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004
The regime is going to sell off national assets so that when MAS inevitably win the election again, President Biden and the European Union can add the new MAS government to the Axis of Evil again when they try to re nationalize things. The NYT and WaPo can write hand wringing op eds about how these socialist authoritarians haven't learned anything and groups like Extinction Rebellion can host vigils in front of the Bolivian embassies again to protest the horrible native extractivist agenda

https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1297173118411210753

Oh, also about Morales under-age girlfriend:

https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1296938599418662917

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol at everyone who defended this coup

https://twitter.com/ViscidKonrad/status/1297958919357304833?s=20

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Any academic making that mistake would be laughed out of their institution and likely not work again but if you cheerlead for neocon/conservative causes (remember Reinhart and Rogoff?) you get to be the voice of countless liberal hawks while facing no consequences whatsoever even when you're exposed.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

mortons stork posted:

Any academic making that mistake would be laughed out of their institution and likely not work again but if you cheerlead for neocon/conservative causes (remember Reinhart and Rogoff?) you get to be the voice of countless liberal hawks while facing no consequences whatsoever even when you're exposed.

Here's the director of the OAS' Department of Electoral Cooperation and Observation, after someone pointed out the analyst's error to him on twitter:

https://twitter.com/gerardodeicaza/status/1296565811092566016?s=20

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

mortons stork posted:

Any academic making that mistake would be laughed out of their institution and likely not work again but if you cheerlead for neocon/conservative causes (remember Reinhart and Rogoff?) you get to be the voice of countless liberal hawks while facing no consequences whatsoever even when you're exposed.

actually I think you'll find that this guy is one of the absolute best statisticians to ever live despite making an incredibly basic error that was used to justify a fascist military coup and then covering it up by not releasing his data for nine months

https://twitter.com/gerardodeicaza/status/1296538818745704449

uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011

vyelkin posted:

actually I think you'll find that this guy is one of the absolute best statisticians to ever live despite making an incredibly basic error that was used to justify a fascist military coup and then covering it up by not releasing his data for nine months

https://twitter.com/gerardodeicaza/status/1296538818745704449



lol limiting replies is pretty much pre-ratioing yourself

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004
It's fine, the coup regime just has to make it to November, then with a proper President elect with Joe Biden, the US can make sure it sticks. And as the current election date is already delayed until October 13th, that seems doable!

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

can we get squalid back to explain how the latest news regarding the OAS audit is fake news actually

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




So I had an interesting conversation with my dad last night about right-wing paramilitary groups, which were and are responsible for a lot of the violence in Latin America, most famously in Colombia, but also in Mexico and Brazil among others.

I had asked if my parents had thought about arming themselves due to the pro-Trump paramilitary groups that seem to be both on the rise and actively aggressive these days. He said they wouldn't regardless since that was one of the things that he abhorred in Colombia was the easy violence created by the easy access to guns, and I can't disagree.

What I found most interesting in the conversation was learning how these groups were created, usually by the rich and wealthy landowners to protect their property and from there once armed those gangs pretty much devolved into criminal gangs that attacked left-wing guerillas/sympathizers with impunity, which... well is kind of what we're seeing in the streets of the US to some growing extent.

Anyway, I know he's a divisive figure but we're all happy that some beginning of justice has moved against Uribe.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

100YrsofAttitude posted:

What I found most interesting in the conversation was learning how these groups were created, usually by the rich and wealthy landowners to protect their property

In a lot of cases, it'd be more accurate these groups were created by the rich and wealthy landowners to murder indigenous tribes and small landowners so as to steal their lands.

It's an open secret that a lot of land claims in Brazil and other Latin American countries have been forged.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




Cat Mattress posted:

In a lot of cases, it'd be more accurate these groups were created by the rich and wealthy landowners to murder indigenous tribes and small landowners so as to steal their lands.

It's an open secret that a lot of land claims in Brazil and other Latin American countries have been forged.

Oh yeah for sure, that too. The land they didn't own already anyway.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Cat Mattress posted:

In a lot of cases, it'd be more accurate these groups were created by the rich and wealthy landowners to murder indigenous tribes and small landowners so as to steal their lands.

It's an open secret that a lot of land claims in Brazil and other Latin American countries have been forged.

In the US I'm pretty sure they just call those 'the police'.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
I was under the impression that the police in Colombia aren't that bad relative to other Latin American countries.

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011

punk rebel ecks posted:

I was under the impression that the police in Colombia aren't that bad relative to other Latin American countries.
Even assuming the reporting is on-point, that data is from 2017.

I assume that if one could even make it, that chart would be very different for the 80s and 90s.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




punk rebel ecks posted:

I was under the impression that the police in Colombia aren't that bad relative to other Latin American countries.

This is very anecdotal, but I get the impression that the police in Colombia, until perhaps recently weren't the ones using state-sponsored violence against its people. My relatives down there seem to appreciate the police all things considered.

Previously, it was primarily the military and the associated right-wing paramilitaries that would ally themselves with the government against the guerillas. Though I wouldn't be surprised if members from one easily transferred to the other at the drop of a hat.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

100YrsofAttitude posted:

This is very anecdotal, but I get the impression that the police in Colombia, until perhaps recently weren't the ones using state-sponsored violence against its people. My relatives down there seem to appreciate the police all things considered.

Previously, it was primarily the military and the associated right-wing paramilitaries that would ally themselves with the government against the guerillas. Though I wouldn't be surprised if members from one easily transferred to the other at the drop of a hat.

Thing is, I'd presume right-wing paramilitaries in South America might have a chance of being remotely competent.

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




Ghost Leviathan posted:

Thing is, I'd presume right-wing paramilitaries in South America might have a chance of being remotely competent.

If by competent you mean murderously effective, then yes. And yet no, because they never did eradicate the FARC or the ELN.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/anyaparampil/status/1304832247170846720?s=19

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1305177821866729472

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Bay of Pigs Award is for the biggest idiot gently caress up, right?

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
i don't even know if such a stupid thing exists, but anyway

just in case he deletes that

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013




He was endorsed by the Bay of Pigs Brigade in 2016. He's probably referring that but since he's a pathological liar, it's now an award.

Article on the endorsement in 2016.

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Baudolino
Apr 1, 2010

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Strange thing to brag about for a man who hates losers.

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