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RPATDO_LAMD posted:when people talk about exclusives they mean console exclusives I guess I'm not people 
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Sapozhnik posted:sony release bloodborne on pc you utter cowards It sold ok for a Sony title and then the Demon's Souls remake was softer than expected, so it isn't as worth it for Sony to pay to do that work or for From Soft to stop rolling in their Elden Ring grace
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Barudak posted:It sold ok for a Sony title and then the Demon's Souls remake was softer than expected, so it isn't as worth it for Sony to pay to do that work or for From Soft to stop rolling in their Elden Ring grace Modern consoles use PC hardware. It would be trivial to port these titles to PC. Keeping them exclusive is a decision made purely to bolster the Playstation brand.
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Apr 6, 2023 06:36
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Devils Affricate posted:It would be trivial to port these titles to PC. My absolute favorite phrase from the entitled gamer. "It's a port Michael, what could it cost? A weekend and a case of Monster?"
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Apr 6, 2023 06:53
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Devils Affricate posted:Modern consoles use PC hardware. It would be trivial to port these titles to PC. Keeping them exclusive is a decision made purely to bolster the Playstation brand. tell us how you know jack poo poo about game programming without telling us you know jack poo poo about game programming.txt holy poo poo
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Apr 6, 2023 07:01
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PinheadSlim posted:My absolute favorite phrase from the entitled gamer. tango alpha delta posted:tell us how you know jack poo poo about game programming without telling us you know jack poo poo about game programming.txt Every recent Fromsoft game, other than the ones Sony directly commissioned, was ported to PC. They use the same game engine, the heavy lifting has already been done. You guys seriously have no idea what you're talking about.
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Apr 6, 2023 07:11
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Devils Affricate posted:Every recent Fromsoft game, other than the ones Sony directly commissioned, was ported to PC. They use the same game engine, the heavy lifting has already been done. You guys seriously have no idea what you're talking about. you know what, you are totally right. You should start calling dev teams around the world right now and give them the good news.
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Apr 6, 2023 07:17
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tango alpha delta posted:you know what, you are totally right. You should start calling dev teams around the world right now and give them the good news. What's the good news?
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Apr 6, 2023 07:18
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Devils Affricate posted:Modern consoles use PC hardware. It would be trivial to port these titles to PC. Keeping them exclusive is a decision made purely to bolster the Playstation brand. it's far from trivial, look at how lovely the latest last of us game's pc port was that said it's still 100x easier than porting a game from like SNES to DOS
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Apr 6, 2023 07:27
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Devils Affricate posted:What's the good news? That porting console games to PC is easy.
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Apr 6, 2023 07:30
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Devils Affricate posted:What's the good news? lmao, it should be as trivial for you to infer my meaning as it apparently is for developers to simply click the 'make PS4/PS5/XBone game into PC game' button. e:Let me help you out here, on a modern console, memory reads and writes happen at the same speed, but on a PC, memory writes take longer than memory reads. So what? Well, you can do some pretty cool tricks on a console when you know the memory timing is going to be exactly the same during draw calls or input scanning or physics updating. This is why some console emulators have taken so long to port to PC, because no PC can guarantee exact low level cycle timing. This barely scratches the surface of serious engine development, but memory timing is very important in console game development. tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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Apr 6, 2023 07:35
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Waltzing Along posted:That porting console games to PC is easy. It is! That's why so many dev teams do it, except for the ones whose hands are tied because of exclusivity deals.
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Apr 6, 2023 07:35
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tango alpha delta posted:lmao, it should be as trivial for you to infer my meaning as it apparently is for developers to simply click the 'make PS4/PS5/XBone game into PC game' button. Unity literally has a button for this lmao
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Apr 6, 2023 07:41
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Devils Affricate posted:Unity literally has a button for this lmao Oh, word?
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No expert, but as I understand it consoles can guarantee shared CPU and GPU access to memory, which opens a bunch of optimization paths not practically possible on PC where memory is a lot more segmented. Access to graphics hardware is also lower level in general, moreso than Vulkan or DX12. Given an engine designed to take explicit advantage of those features, porting them to more generalized APIs without creating bottlenecks is probably challenging. That said Iron Galaxy clearly sucks rear end at porting games to PC. Nixxes should grow clones of their entire staff instead.
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Devils Affricate posted:Unity literally has a button for this lmao Oh well then, problem solved. Like I said, you should let everyone know that all the hard work of game development is done! Good job finding that button! Hey, everybody, we've been totally overthinking this whole game development thing! Hey, you should go into the game development threads and tell them about the button, too! tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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Apr 6, 2023 07:43
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tango alpha delta posted:Oh well then, problem solved. Like I said, you should let everyone know that all the hard work of game development is done! Good job finding that button! Give me a list of popular games that are only available on one console and haven't been ported to PC, not because of exclusivity deals, but because the developers said gosh darnit we just don't have the resources to port it to PC
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Apr 6, 2023 07:50
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all of them at this point, sony realized that pc doesn't really matter for exclusivity wars and has been slowly porting over all its big ticket exclusives like horizon zero dawn and uncharted but they are going slowly and not doing them instantly all at once because yeah it does take effort MS realized that porting xbox games to windows is good for windows which they also own so they don't GAF either but even when you can just flip a flag in your build tools and get it to compile and technically-run-without-crashing on a new platform, you still need to do a lot of other poo poo to make it an actual good port.
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Apr 6, 2023 08:00
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Devils Affricate posted:Give me a list of popular games that are only available on one console and haven't been ported to PC, not because of exclusivity deals, but because the developers said gosh darnit we just don't have the resources to port it to PC You have to let people know about the 'make game' button in Unity instead of letting them waste money on some stupid STEM degree! Save us!
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Apr 6, 2023 08:00
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tango alpha delta posted:You have to let people know about the 'make game' button in Unity instead of letting them waste money on some stupid STEM degree! Save us! You can build your project for different platforms in Unity. You're saved! https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/BuildSettings.html
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Apr 6, 2023 08:10
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:all of them at this point, sony realized that pc doesn't really matter for exclusivity wars and has been slowly porting over all its big ticket exclusives like horizon zero dawn and uncharted Yeah exactly, there's some work involved but it's trivial since everything's more or less running on the same hardware at this point. The thing keeping popular console games off of PC is 100% exclusivity deals, though thankfully those seem to be getting less popular.
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Apr 6, 2023 08:12
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Devils Affricate posted:You can build your project for different platforms in Unity. You're saved! https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/BuildSettings.html Thanks! So this will work flawlessly with The Unreal Engine, The RE Engine and id Tech 7? Cool! What a huge time saver! e:you remind me of a manager that would call me up with all of his great ideas to improve Sharepoint 365, a platform I built literally hundreds of client sites in. We used to make a game of transferring him from team member to team member because he was so loving exhausting to listen to. tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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Apr 6, 2023 08:24
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Devils Affricate posted:Yeah exactly, there's some work involved but it's trivial since everything's more or less running on the same hardware at this point. The thing keeping popular console games off of PC is 100% exclusivity deals, though thankfully those seem to be getting less popular. So, what do you do for a living?
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Apr 6, 2023 08:25
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Waltzing Along posted:So, what do you do for a living? lol, idea guys don't actually 'do' anything.
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Apr 6, 2023 08:27
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Almost every game engine I've ever played with has had some kind of platform conversion button, but every single one of them has always been in a forever beta status with a warning that poo poo will probably be broken.
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Apr 6, 2023 08:31
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Waltzing Along posted:So, what do you do for a living? Dev ops engineer, you?
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tango alpha delta posted:Thanks! So this will work flawlessly with The Unreal Engine, The RE Engine and id Tech 7? Cool! What a huge time saver! I don't know, maybe? How many examples do you need?
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Devils Affricate posted:Dev ops engineer, you? oh are we measuring now? lol, before I retired I was one of the systems administrators for the entire build and deployment pipeline for one of the largest ISPs in the country. I used to fix the poo poo that you clowns break. Before that I was the systems administrator for a company that manufactures parts for nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons. I also worked for the Department of Defense as a civilian contractor providing technical support to active duty combat soldiers. Game engine development is just a hobby. tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Apr 6, 2023 |
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Apr 6, 2023 08:47
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Devils Affricate posted:Dev ops engineer, you? In the games industry?
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nerd combat itt
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Caesar Saladin posted:nerd combat itt thread is pure nerd spice rn
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Apr 6, 2023 08:52
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I am God's IT guy and the reason math is even comprehensible to computers.
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drat u guys are hard core. im just a neet who makes games because it's the only thing i've ever known. like jetstream sam but replace the line about "bloodshed" in that one song with "final fantasy". the part about mountains not giving back what they take, however, remains constant
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Caesar Saladin posted:nerd combat itt They asked me, and now they're angry that I answered 
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But back to the original point, where are all these great games that couldn't make to to the PC just because of technical constraints?
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Apr 6, 2023 08:58
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Devils Affricate posted:But back to the original point, where are all these great games that couldn't make to to the PC just because of technical constraints? Now that you mention it, God of War 3 has been ported to PS4, which means it's closer to being ported to PC. I still don't like you, though. I have bad memories of fixing Dev Ops Engineering screw ups, though to be fair, I loved working with the Dev Ops Engineers in Triage during Pre-Production and Production roll outs because to work in Triage you have to know your poo poo really well.
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Apr 6, 2023 09:05
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Lmao at people in this claiming that technical limitations are stopping games being ported rather than lisences and petty human squabbles over rights
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Lmao at people in this claiming that technical limitations are stopping games being ported rather than lisences and petty human squabbles over rights If I'm being totally honest instead of contrarian for the sake of an argument, I'd suggest it's probably a little of column a and a little of column b.
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tango alpha delta posted:Now that you mention it, God of War 3 has been ported to PS4, which means it's closer to being ported to PC. Ok
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What the gently caress are you arguing about? This is so loving stupid. Just tell the AI to port the game and it will push the button for you.
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