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Keetron posted:Nopers. I am from socialist Europe and one of the northern euro countries to boot so loads of taxes and a legal system that favors the working class. But from your side, the USofA did ratify that same document. And to be sure, the radical conservative folks in the US see that document as a sign of an impending UN takeover/New World Order that needs to be resisted with force.
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SubjectVerbObject posted:And to be sure, the radical conservative folks in the US see that document as a sign of an impending UN takeover/New World Order that needs to be resisted with force. Instead of a written set of rules to be, you know, decent human beings to each other.
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Keetron posted:Instead of a written set of rules to be, you know, decent human beings to each other. Sounds remarkably like something an Arab Communist would come up with.
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There's absolutely no real consequences for a government breaking an international convention, except if that government has already pissed off the US. So the US... poo poo you guys don't even bother signing most of them these days.
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Sorry for the derail, I know this thread is for complaining about the weird poo poo you put up with at work while trying to make a living of some sort and not for pointing out the political systems that exist in one country or the other. While some systems promote a lovely workplace more then the other, it is easy to critizise something that is different then what you are used to. While you guys have little worker protection, I pay 52% of tax for each Euro I make over 50k and before that I already payed about a third in income tax alone. Cars are crazy expensive here, housing and food as well and in general the society is flat meaning that there is not a big difference in the income of the several different groups and even that is flattened by progressive taxation and other benefits. Yes, this brings things as socialized healthcare (I pay 130 euro's a month and get awesome coverage for my entire family with a 350 yearly total deductible), no homelessness, affordable schooling and recently we had to close a bunch of prisons because we ran out of criminals as it turns out that most crimes are due to either mental problems so society is better of treating them or poor prospects so society is better of schooling them. There will always remain a small group of career criminals and those are locked up, the rest is treated, schooled and made into a contributing member of society. No, this does not allow me to make shitloads of money, excel at anything as the average is the norm or move around easily due to the tightly controlled everything any bond is a strong bond in jobs, houses and whatever. A high certainty, high security environment has the big downside of low flexibility. I have no real TPS stories to tell at the moment, only some recruitment hell things as I am trying to move jobs. My current workplace is boring my out of my mind and I thought getting involved in a project would make a difference, it did not. Again with the flexibility problem, finding a new and challenging place is hard, due to labor protection laws companies are unwilling to take a chance. Sometimes I receive recruiter calls or I apply to something, in the end there is very little response. What remains is running EvE online in the background, browse the internet, try to learn java and try to not get caught and not get fired. Don't judge me, these are the thrills I have left.
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Keetron posted:Sorry for the derail, I know this thread is for complaining about the weird poo poo you put up with at work while trying to make a living of some sort and not for pointing out the political systems that exist in one country or the other. While some systems promote a lovely workplace more then the other, it is easy to critizise something that is different then what you are used to. While you guys have little worker protection, I pay 52% of tax for each Euro I make over 50k and before that I already payed about a third in income tax alone. Cars are crazy expensive here, housing and food as well and in general the society is flat meaning that there is not a big difference in the income of the several different groups and even that is flattened by progressive taxation and other benefits. The ancient curse of Confucius says: "May you live in boring, predictable, safe times where you won't die on the street for the lack of society's compassion." Truly, you are cursed.
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First, thanks for the post. I appreciate learning a non-US perspective.Keetron posted:Again with the flexibility problem, finding a new and challenging place is hard, due to labor protection laws companies are unwilling to take a chance. And in other cases, "due to a moral distaste for hiring those who are unemployed".
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Keetron posted:Sorry for the derail, I know this thread is for complaining about the weird poo poo you put up with at work while trying to make a living of some sort and not for pointing out the political systems that exist in one country or the other. While some systems promote a lovely workplace more then the other, it is easy to critizise something that is different then what you are used to. While you guys have little worker protection, I pay 52% of tax for each Euro I make over 50k and before that I already payed about a third in income tax alone. Cars are crazy expensive here, housing and food as well and in general the society is flat meaning that there is not a big difference in the income of the several different groups and even that is flattened by progressive taxation and other benefits. Do you have to stay in your boring job because your health insurance is tied to it? No? Sounds more flexible to me.
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I don't want to get all political, but I think the available research says that social mobility is lower in the US than in Western European countries with a more comprehensive welfare state and more progressive taxes.
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If you are a first-worlder in non-America and you look at this thread and don't immediately think "hot drat did I get a lucky roll" you are delusional. TPS-wise, I have been getting poo poo from other PMs and accounting lately because sales keeps loving up and never takes the blame for anything. gently caress sales.
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I'd pay 52% if it meant I got proper worker protections and unemployment/welfare/UHC. Hell, once you add up all the little taxes (my paycheck has deductions for federal, state, county, district, town, and municipality income taxes, social security, unemployment insurance, medicare/medicaid, worker's comp, etc), you pay ~40% in the USA as it is for pretty much nothing. My biweekly paycheck is just over $5,000. My post-tax/health insurance is $2,400, out of which another $800 is taken for retirement contributions. $1,600 per paycheck remaining. Sure, that's easy to live on, but it's not like we're sitting here paying no taxes in the end. We just don't seem to get anything for what we do pay. Sundae fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Sundae posted:I'd pay 52% if it meant I got proper worker protections and unemployment/welfare/UHC. Hell, once you add up all the little taxes (my paycheck has deductions for federal, state, county, district, town, and municipality income taxes, social security, unemployment insurance, medicare/medicaid, worker's comp, etc), you pay ~40% in the USA as it is for pretty much nothing. What the gently caress.
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Solkanar512 posted:What the gently caress. I can't find the article now, but a study found that most (non-wealthy) Americans actually pay close to 40% in taxes once you account for all the things that aren't explicitly "federal income tax." Of course, now that I've gone and posted that, damned if I can find the article. It was either CNN or CBSNews or something like that. =\ Edit: If I pull my paycheck as an example, here's what I have: (In the process of typing this, 1 sec...)
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That...that can't be right. You're paying ~4,800 per month for health insurance? Or ~4,800 a month in taxes and insurance?
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After all taxes my (~35k) pay gets taxed at ~33%. No retirement at the moment as its in the process of being set up & health insurance is covered by my company.
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Pleads posted:If you are a first-worlder in non-America and you look at this thread and don't immediately think "hot drat did I get a lucky roll" you are delusional. Or a selfish rear end in a top hat, but six of one and all that.
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Tide posted:That...that can't be right. You're misinterpreting that. I'm saying that $2,400 is what is left AFTER insurance and taxes, but before retirement contributions. If I pull my paycheck as an example, here's what I have: Federal Income Tax Federal EE/SS Tax Federal Medicare PA Withholding PA Unemployment Withholding PA Local Services, [Home town] (Where I live) PA Local Services, [Work Town] (Where I work) PA County Withholding PA [Work Town] Commuter Levy (Tax on out-of-town commuters not paying work town income tax) PA [Home Town] Withholding, Income Tax That's my tax withholding. If I take those, my pre-tax income of approx $5K drops to approx $2,800, per the post-tax income line. From there, my health insurance costs another $375 per paycheck post-tax, so down to $2,425 per paycheck. About $750 comes out for retirement, and the way all the pre-tax contributions work out, I land at my super-fancy $1697.15 paycheck at the end. I'm certain that I'm not overwithholding, because I ended up owing several thousand at filing this year when it was all said and done, with these same withholding levels. Again, not like it's a hardship or anything, but I really have to wonder what the gently caress that $2,200 in taxes went to. Sundae fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Sundae posted:Again, not like it's a hardship or anything, but I really have to wonder what the gently caress that $2,200 in taxes went to. Poorly thought out invasions of other nations. It's worth noting that I say this as a UK citizen. Our government is currently moaning that it needs x-billion to keep the NHS running, whilst simultaneously spending many, many times that amount pretending that we're still a major military power by doing exactly the same thing.
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Pleads posted:If you are a first-worlder in non-America and you look at this thread and don't immediately think "hot drat did I get a lucky roll" you are delusional. Every day I'm glad I didn't stay in America. Sundae posted:I'd pay 52% if it meant I got proper worker protections and unemployment/welfare/UHC. Hell, once you add up all the little taxes (my paycheck has deductions for federal, state, county, district, town, and municipality income taxes, social security, unemployment insurance, medicare/medicaid, worker's comp, etc), you pay ~40% in the USA as it is for pretty much nothing. Holy poo poo you need a good tax attorney stat. Just doing the math on to put us on matching salaries, I would still pay 250 dollars less a month for my gold-plated retirement package and take home more then you.
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Sundae's health plan is mega hosed for what it's worth. $750 a month and I believe he said it doesn't cover spouse.
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I think we need a title change "TPS reports: At least I don't have Sundae's Job"
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Actually, I do want to get political: our economy performed much, much better when the marginal tax rate was much, much higher.
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Something about that health insurance is hosed up. My company's PPO pays 80% of projected costs on average and the total bill for a single adult male who doesn't smoke is only $400 ($100 from my paycheck). Even unsubsidized his plan is like 2x our plan. I can't imagine what the employer portion would be.
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Sundae posted:You're misinterpreting that. I'm saying that $2,400 is what is left AFTER insurance and taxes, but before retirement contributions. I don't understand how this is working. I guess you're in a higher tax bracket but 2200/5000 is 44% which seems really high to me. Does your wife also make a good salary? And have you adjusted your tax withholding at your job to reflect on your side income as well? That's the only thing I can think of. I live in PA as well and am at least one tax bracket below you but when I added in all the state, local, and other taxes in my paycheck I'm only paying a total of 26%.
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sbaldrick posted:I think we need a title change "TPS reports: At least I don't have Sundae's Job" Seconding this So yesterday we released our 3rd quarter numbers, the stock went to poo poo and apparently are now getting sued by our shareholders. The reason for this is that supposedly wonderful company we bought for ~110 Million was overpriced and may even be a sham. The best part of this to me was that in front of the entire company; the CEO and other executives said they really researched the company we bought and they knew that we were going to grow into a billion dollar company with this acquisition. I'm hoping I hear back real soon about the job I interviewed for because something tells me staying here is a bad idea.
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I work in Switzerland and feel somewhat embarassed by how little the tax is yet how good the services are, things are pretty expensive though not noticably more so than London.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Sundae's health plan is mega hosed for what it's worth. $750 a month and I believe he said it doesn't cover spouse. That's starting next year. I'm dropping my employer coverage at the end of our enrollment period and going to the public market next year when they no longer subsidize any spouse coverage. I'd be paying $1,100 per month next year, if I included my spouse. quote:don't understand how this is working. I guess you're in a higher tax bracket but 2200/5000 is 44% which seems really high to me. Does your wife also make a good salary? And have you adjusted your tax withholding at your job to reflect on your side income as well? That's the only thing I can think of. I live in PA as well and am at least one tax bracket below you but when I added in all the state, local, and other taxes in my paycheck I'm only paying a total of 26%. My federal withholding alone was over 20%, and there's no tax withholding adjustment for my Self-Employment income. My employer doesn't permit its employees to make any withholding changes except for spousal/dependent allowances.
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Sundae posted:I'd be paying $1,100 per month next year, if I included my spouse.  $1,100. Per month. Seriously, what the actual gently caress?
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My company pays 100% of employee health insurance but if we have a spouse we pay 100% for them, which is over $1,000 a month...
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Renegret posted:I used to do it too but it really helped a lot when I just stopped giving a poo poo. I highly recommend not giving a poo poo. (And by not giving a poo poo, I'm not talking about failing doing your job. Do your loving job people This. This is what you do to survive when you're salaried in the corporate world. You come in, do your job, and go home. I used to be a tryhard who came in every day thinking about how I could improve X process or write Y documentation or produce Z JIRA cases on broken functionality, but year after year and time after time watching the items I brought up ignored, the processes discarded or halfway implemented and the schizophrenia about what needs to be documented, I've just...stopped. I told my boss I was dropping my hours from 9-6 (which is already 45 hours a week, even though that does include an hour I take for lunch) to 9-5 to help my parents with a medical issue (which is true), I don't take incoming support anymore (by my own choice and having never been talked to about it), and most days I do my pre-scheduled walkthroughs with clients, the project/fire/issue du jour, and go home. My life is much better than it was even 6 months ago because of it. Meanwhile, three people I would characterize as caring a lot and having been employed with the company for 3 years or less have quit in the last month.
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MJBuddy posted:It would probably go a lot further if 1/3 of our budget wasn't spent on killing people in other countries. Now that's a TPS problem to have!
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a shameful boehner posted:This. This is what you do to survive when you're salaried in the corporate world. You come in, do your job, and go home. I quit not because I couldn't stop giving a poo poo, but rather because I refused to. I'm the type who tries to find meaning in work. I don't want to become a mentally checked-out bare-minimum-performer because that fundamentally clashes with my personality. I was checked out towards the end, but I sensed that it was slowly rotting my soul inside. I'd rather be a troublemaker, get burned out and go out in a blaze of glory than become a well-behaved cog.
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enraged_camel posted:I quit not because I couldn't stop giving a poo poo, but rather because I refused to. This hits me pretty hard. I have become that mentally checked-out bare-minimum-performer. My sense of being a hard working, over performer with strong ethics is just about gone. I have got to get the gently caress out...
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Sundae posted:You're misinterpreting that. I'm saying that $2,400 is what is left AFTER insurance and taxes, but before retirement contributions. This still doesn't seem right. Your retirement and health insurance should be deducted pre-tax, especially your retirement. This lowers your taxable income. There are very few cases wherein your retirement should ever come out pre-tax. So you take your $5,000 biweekly paycheck, deduct your retirement of $750 and health insurance of $375, and you are left with a taxable income amount of $3,875.00. Do you get any company match on your 401K? After running your salary through ADP's online calculator, you should be bringing home $2888 but it doesn't take into consideration your commuter taxes and such. It amazes me that those taxes take out an additional $1,100 per bi-weekly paycheck. You need deductions dude. Plus, for an extra $2,200 or so a month, I would live closer to work. Then again I might be wrong because I've been drinking beer on a golf course all day long at an industry function.
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Ashcans posted:Based on Sundae's other posts, I am prepared to believe that his company is simply defrauding him of a significant amount of his paycheck because they are evil and will do anything to meet stockholder expectations. I mean, it is big pharma...
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