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We need to utterly shut our borders down to keep all these traitors from leaving to greener pastures. Bah, such cowards we are almost better off not having.
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MaxieSatan posted:Now, now, let's be positive about this. Now we have a reactionary tit on his deathbed, with his (hopefully) more liberally-minded son taking over all meaningful aspects of Sultanhood and Kingship. This is actually a common pattern with hereditary authoritarians: they present themselves as a reformer to blunt liberal attempts to disrupt their succession, until they consolidate power. Assad, in 2005, had a big campaign going that presented him as a liberalizer.
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Heck, just look at MBS right now. Tightening control over Saudi Arabia by imprisoning both his relatives and activists while presenting trinket reforms. ETA: We were not awful until we went full colonizing with the Khedive, but we're gonna have a whole lot of full on British Empire style apologists come the year 2000.
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I have a creeping suspicion that the SGA are not going to go gentle into that good night and am curious about whatever Hashim has cooked up for them over the next few years. Not much longer until fascism rears its ugly head. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Aug 19, 2018 19:34
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I dread to imagine Andalusian fascists considering how awful it already is to live in.
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The problem with modding the Upper House reform support is that the mechanics is barely working just as it is. The Liberal and Socialist unwillingness to work with each other is the only thing that prevents most countries from instantly becoming fully socialist liberal democracies. The AI countries pass reforms as soon as 2% of people want them and the UH permits them, which pretty much means a reform every year. This mechanics is pretty easy to gently caress up - either by changing the Upper House itself, or the values that make POPs support reforms (which makes them join movements, which is the thing that pushes Conservatives, Socialists and Liberals to accept stuff they normally wouldn't). An extreme example is Divide by Zero, a PDM submod, where even the Russian Empire usually becomes a country with full voting rights before 1890. Gantolandon fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Aug 19, 2018 19:41
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Honestly at this point fascism might be an improvement compared to the Majilis. Mechanically, its not like there's many freedoms they could remove.
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ChaseSP posted:I dread to imagine Andalusian fascists considering how awful it already is to live in. There’s really two options I see - Alt-Integralists, seeking to elide centuries of ethnoreligious conflict by promoting a pan-Iberian identity. - Intensely Sunni Andalusi fascists of the “the Mahdi did nothing wrong” variety. Lots of religiously justified war, deep oppression of the northern minorities, and attempted expansion into Occitania
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QuoProQuid posted:I have a creeping suspicion that the SGA are not going to go gentle into that good night and am curious about whatever Hashim has cooked up for them over the next few years. The silver lining is that we've retaken all of our cores, so that won't add to revanchism.
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habeasdorkus posted:The silver lining is that we've retaken all of our cores, so that won't add to revanchism. Until we lose said cores in a war, because the socialists are silly.
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Red John posted:Until we lose said cores in a war, because the socialists are silly. Honestly, at this point the Socialists might well be the safest option in terms of holding onto our cores. We finally have a decent navy and it's been pointed out that they're willing to invest in defensive miltech, which makes them better than the Imperialists and Moderates, and they're not going to get us into a stupid hellwar over the Pyrenees or the Straits like the Royalists would.
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Aug 19, 2018 20:20
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Make the Pyreenes our great bulwark against European aggression. Build a wall of forts!
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ChaseSP posted:Make the Pyreenes our great bulwark against European aggression. Build a wall of forts!
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Republics in Victoria 2 suck to play as solely because of all the election events that never make any difference.
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:Republics in Victoria 2 suck to play as solely because of all the election events that never make any difference. One of the side perks of the AzeriLP mod is that Wiz removed all of those.
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It all goes back to Plato's idealization of a "philosopher king." Theoretically, one person (like the player of a game) would better know how to accomplish any given objective than just stumbling around popular consensus between people who are often directly opposed. It's a pretty popular organizational structure outside of national politics for that reason. Just it so happens that in the real world, royalty seldom produces significant competence or empathy for most of the subjects, just like how an aristocratic legislative body can go off obsessing about colonial riches that the average joe sees jack diddly of. That's why most people in the real world would rather have some semblance of self-determination over their own faith than sucking the boss's dick and hoping it works out.
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You know we need to bring our glory to the parts of europe that use to belong to us.
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I’m leaning towards social political reforms ASAP but we really should build a fortress line in the Pyrenees. I think the imperialists would recognize that now that there is a clean perfect border with no foreign land in Iberia that it’s time to zip up the borders with lots of manpower/fortresses, safety in Andalus proper means freeing up resources for colonial ventures
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I don't think the socialists would exactly be against making a defensive fortress line either. Just against actively making a large army and sending them into other people's countries.
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ChaseSP posted:I don't think the socialists would exactly be against making a defensive fortress line either. Just against actively making a large army and sending them into other people's countries. Unless those people are black...
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Aug 19, 2018 23:01
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Hasn't Hashim confirmed that the Socialists would decolonize?
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Those parts of the world are unclaimed grey spots on the map. You're not marching into anyone's country, its free real estate.
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Rodyle posted:Hasn't Hashim confirmed that the Socialists would decolonize? Sounds good to me. They can raise their own army so we can focus more on home defense
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Rodyle posted:Hasn't Hashim confirmed that the Socialists would decolonize? Decolonizing would mean turning them into dominions and satellites, which, really, is pretty much as good as holding actual colonies
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Mantis42 posted:Those parts of the world are unclaimed grey spots on the map. You're not marching into anyone's country, its free real estate. #Fuckthenatives
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Pakled posted:Decolonizing would mean turning them into dominions and satellites, which, really, is pretty much as good as holding actual colonies So what you're saying is we can gently guide them into the light of Islamic Socialism.
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Full throttle decolonization this early could cause...unusual effects
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The solution is enough people need to remain Imperialists even if the majority flip socialist. Also shoot all the moderates and reactionaries.
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Jack2142 posted:The solution is enough people need to remain Imperialists even if the majority flip socialist. Also shoot all the moderates and reactionaries. Yeah, that's the thing - I highly suspect that even if the Socialists want to decolonize, they won't be able to actually do much on that front in their first term. Though, again, that might be getting a bit too gamey about it.
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We should actually finish colonizing before we start to think of dominions.
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I'm a moderate and i want to decolonize. I never even wanted to colonize in the first place!
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Frionnel posted:I'm a moderate and i want to decolonize. I never even wanted to colonize in the first place! We must protect these poor natives from the horrible Moroccans. They would gladly enslave them if it were not for our demands.
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ChaseSP posted:We must protect these poor natives from the horrible Moroccans. They would gladly enslave them if it were not for our demands. 
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I think it's safe to say that whatever we were doing, the Moroccans were doing worse. And they were also being Moroccan while doing it, which makes it even worse still.
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:We should actually finish colonizing before we start to think of dominions. Yeah it would be kind of lame to just leave massive chunks of central Africa uncolonised for the Moroccans.
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I feel like narratively Al-Andalus actually has very little control over its African colonies and the petty despots in charge of them would keep expanding the borders and mistreating the locals regardless of who gets elected, unless a significant amount of resources were expended bringing them to heel or removing them from power.
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vyelkin posted:I feel like narratively Al-Andalus actually has very little control over its African colonies and the petty despots in charge of them would keep expanding the borders and mistreating the locals regardless of who gets elected, unless a significant amount of resources were expended bringing them to heel or removing them from power. It will be where all the reactionaries and petty nobility flee to when the glorious Communist revolution breaks the chains of Iberia!
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vyelkin posted:I feel like narratively Al-Andalus actually has very little control over its African colonies and the petty despots in charge of them would keep expanding the borders and mistreating the locals regardless of who gets elected, unless a significant amount of resources were expended bringing them to heel or removing them from power. Maybe the Great Imperialist/Socialist Coalition will agree to off the Khedive.
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sounds like a great flashpoint to set off the first great war. we try to remove the khedive, who gets morrocan support, which then sets off a chain of alliances
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Could someone more versed in 19th century European warfare tell me if there are OTL parallels to the years-long occupations that SGF and the Celtic Union went through last update and how exactly that might've functioned? Would it be like the occupying army would leave local bureaucracy to run the day to day stuff or? That kind of question.
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