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fishmech posted:0 states have a ban on buying cars online. "you can't buy cars online" is a completely bogus complaint. In many countries ford just runs ford stores and you walk in and buy a ford, or go to the ford website and order a ford. In the US that isn't available and is illegal in some states. So you always have to to jimmy's ford dealership or his website to buy your car. Like you you can 'buy a car online" but people in other countries find it surprising that the US uses such a backwards system compared to what they use and are surprised that if you want an audi you don't go online and buy a car from audi but instead have to find joe bob's audi emporium and taco shack and get him to sell you one, possibly online if his son is done finishing the website he was going to put up.
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But you can go to Ford.com and they tell you the inventory at dealerships. Then you call all the dealers that have a car you want at the end of the month when they are trying to get their numbers. Bonus points for pitting the dealers against each other. You could just buy online but thats dumb. If buying used I have had great success using online dudes who buy straight from the auction for you though.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:In many countries ford just runs ford stores and you walk in and buy a ford, or go to the ford website and order a ford. In the US that isn't available and is illegal in some states. So you always have to to jimmy's ford dealership or his website to buy your car. It's not always as amateurish as that. But if you do order a Ford from ford.com, your order is usually sent to the nearest dealer (often still independently owned but in a special manufacturer-affiliated network) who either has a car matching your specs or will take delivery of a special order from Ford. You technically buy the car from that dealership. anonumos fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Aug 11, 2018 |
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Maybe one of you could post sources on direct sales restrictions because you can't both be right. Thread moved faster than I realized I meant Owlofcreamcheese or fishmech Like if there are bans on direct sales in 12 states that should be a pretty easy thing to c/d
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DrNutt posted:Maybe one of you could post sources on direct sales restrictions because you can't both be right. Fischmech argued against "you can't buy cars online", he didn't argue against the fact there are restrictions against direct sales in many states. The latter is a fact that's easily verifiable. Lambert fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Aug 11, 2018 |
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DrNutt posted:Maybe one of you could post sources on direct sales restrictions because you can't both be right. It comes up mostly about Teslas because everyone else has established dealers you'd buy from. Tesla initially struggled how to sell things because it was illegal to just sell them and making deals everywhere was hard before they had started selling anything https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:In many countries ford just runs ford stores and you walk in and buy a ford, or go to the ford website and order a ford. In America you can order a Ford online. Easy as hell. Might as well say Amazon doesn't sell anything because it comes out of a warehouse leased nearby to you instead of being shipped directly from Jeff Bezos' office.
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fishmech posted:In America you can order a Ford online. Easy as hell. Let's settle on "the US has really dumb laws that amount to socialism, but for corporations" that make cars more expensive for consumers.
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Lambert posted:Let's settle on "the US has really dumb laws that amount to socialism, but for corporations" that make cars more expensive for consumers. No, because that isn't true here.
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fishmech posted:No, because that isn't true here. Substitute "some states have" for "the US has".
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Lambert posted:Substitute "some states have" for "the US has". The entire premise is wrong: there is no inherent better price you'd get as the customer because the local car storage was owned by Ford directly.
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fishmech posted:The entire premise is wrong: there is no inherent better price you'd get as the customer because the local car storage was owned by Ford directly. Adding more middlemen has never increased prices anywhere, I understand.
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Lambert posted:Adding more middlemen has never increased prices anywhere, I understand. This is what you aren't getting, companies have no obligation to give you any savings. Let alone the whole aspect of the dealers being that they take on a bunch of risks and costs that corporate doesn't need to worry about. Particularly in outlying areas.
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fishmech posted:This is what you aren't getting, companies have no obligation to give you any savings. Let alone the whole aspect of the dealers being that they take on a bunch of risks and costs that corporate doesn't need to worry about. Particularly in outlying areas. That I do understand. But better to let ~*~The Market~*~ decide on things organically instead of creating ridiculous laws based on lobbying by car dealerships.
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Lambert posted:That I do understand. But better to let ~*~The Market~*~ decide on things organically instead of creating ridiculous laws based on lobbying by car dealerships. Is it though? Certainly seems organic enough when there's quite different laws between the states yet little difference in the costs you pay for a car.
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fishmech posted:Is it though? Yes, it is.
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Lambert posted:Yes, it is. Surely we'd see savings and changes from the radically different laws, if that mattered.
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fishmech posted:Surely we'd see savings and changes from the radically different laws, if that mattered. Mobile right now so can't go into detail, but to put you onto the right track to do your own research, the two main factors are dealers associations leveraging against manufacturer's setting up their own shops, and the fact that there is not a huge markup on most cars sold, and dealerships make a big portion of their money on the service center.
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fishmech posted:In America you can order a Ford online. Yes I'm sure every independent dealership in Oklahoma has exactly as good and useable website as a major car company.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yes I'm sure every independent dealership in Oklahoma has exactly as good and useable website as a major car company. What are you on about now? You assured us cooking up diabetes and cancer medicine at home was practical, but you sob over your car ordering involving ugly css?
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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stop getting fishmeched you morons
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fishmech posted:What are you on about now? You assured us cooking up diabetes and cancer medicine at home was practical, but you sob over your car ordering involving ugly css? America and Europe just do things differently, in europe it's legal to buy a ford truck from ford, in america it's legal to charge someone 84,000 dollars for a dose of hepatitis medicine so they just die if they can't find an alternate source.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:America and Europe just do things differently, in europe it's legal to buy a ford truck from ford, in america it's legal to charge someone 84,000 dollars for a dose of hepatitis medicine so they just die if they can't find an alternate source. It's legal to buy a Ford truck from Ford in the US too.
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fishmech posted:It's legal to buy a Ford truck from Ford in the US too. Illegal in some states, impossible in the other states because of the large number of states where it's illegal. Fords gotta sell it to someone else before they can sell it to you, not like normal countries.
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Malcolm XML posted:stop getting fishmeched you morons how do I not emptyquote?
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Malcolm XML posted:stop getting fishmeched you morons Just for everyone who now actually think you can buy a car online in all US States, enjoy this Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes) and let's move on.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Illegal in some states, impossible in the other states because of the large number of states where it's illegal. Fords gotta sell it to someone else before they can sell it to you, not like normal countries. It's illegal nowhere, it is impossible nowhere. It is simply not done in the one exact way you only care about because Elon Musk said something about it once. RagnarokZ posted:Just for everyone who now actually think you can buy a car online in all US States, enjoy this Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes) and let's move on. You can buy cars online dude. Did you even read any of that or do you just read Elon Musk tweets and take them as law?
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what if my last name is ford and i open a dealership, does that count as buying a car from ford directly?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Illegal in some states, impossible in the other states because of the large number of states where it's illegal. Fords gotta sell it to someone else before they can sell it to you, not like normal countries. It is legal to buy a car directly from the manufacturer ONLINE in any state and have it delivered(many choose not to offer this option). There are a number of states where it is not legal for a manufacture to setup their own retail outlet and sell it to you in person. Want to buy a Tesla in Texas? You go to a Tesla showroom, you can even take a test drive. However, since Texas is one of those states that requires a dealer middleman for retail sales, a Tesla rep will literally walk you through purchasing a Tesla via a computer in their store, to be delivered to you. Edit: Tesla'Musk's messaging around it is simplified to "We can't sell directly to people" because it's easier than having a multi-page D&D debate about it every time they want to bring it up. Doom Rooster fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Aug 11, 2018 |
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Doom Rooster posted:Want to buy a Tesla in Texas? You go to a Tesla showroom, you can even take a test drive. However, since Texas is one of those states that requires a dealer middleman for retail sales, a Tesla rep will literally walk you through purchasing a Tesla via a computer in their store, to be delivered to you. I mean, you are technically correct that nothing stops you from buying a tesla online in any state. In that you can freely leave a state and go to a state over then leave that state and go to the next state over from that and buy a car to get your car. You can also buy weed in any state because you can just buy weed then go to a state it's legal to go pick it up. https://www.tesla.com/support/how-ordering-works quote:Ordering your Tesla is just like any buying experience on the Internet. Simply choose your options and enter your contact information. Your Tesla will be custom built at our factory in California and delivered to your nearest service center for pickup. If you live more than 160 miles from the closest service center, your vehicle can be shipped directly to your home or business. service centers:  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean, you are technically correct that nothing stops you from buying a tesla online in any state. In that you can freely leave a state and go to a state over then leave that state and go to the next state over from that and buy a car to get your car. You can also buy weed in any state because you can just buy weed then go to a state it's legal to go pick it up. You sure are dense. It says right there that you choose whether to pick it up or have it delivered to you instead. If you don't like that concept, why do you want to buy a car online? Your entire complaint of online car sales being illegal is fake, and your attempts to defend it make no sense. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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This is like watching two hot air balloons joust.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean, you are technically correct that nothing stops you from buying a tesla online in any state. In that you can freely leave a state and go to a state over then leave that state and go to the next state over from that and buy a car to get your car. You can also buy weed in any state because you can just buy weed then go to a state it's legal to go pick it up. You don't seem to understand the concept of delivery. It is completely legal to purchase a car online directly from Ford, as an example, and have Ford deliver it to you, in any individual state, with absolutely zero other states involved. All taxes, fees and registration all are only for your state. What is NOT legal (in some states), is Ford setting up a dealership/retail outlet where you purchase a car directly in person and drive it off the lot. Your weed analogy also has absolutely nothing to do with the current discussion.
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This is like watching two hot air balloons poo poo.
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I hate both of them.
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Appoda posted:This is like watching two
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That sure was a thing. Sort of on topic: overstock is in the blockchain business https://www.ft.com/content/f9651eb6-9c13-11e8-ab77-f854c65a4465 quote:The internet-focused furniture retailer has a side-hustle in blockchain technology, and said it had signed a term sheet with GSR Capital for a full investment up to $404m via an equity investment in the tZero subsidiary and purchase of Overstock common stock as well as digital tokens in both businesses.
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