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Grey Hunter posted:
Why do these three Jills think they're attacking an Allied BB?
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Nov 15, 2017 19:43
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Leperflesh posted:Why do these three Jills think they're attacking an Allied BB? They skipped class.
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Nov 15, 2017 20:19
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That strike wave from the fleet at Jaluit looked big enough to account for not one, but two fleet carriers. Are the KB's air groups in good enough shape to engage that?
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Nov 15, 2017 20:30
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At least a fleet and a CVL, probably two CV, maybe more if they weren't throwing everything into that wave.
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Nov 15, 2017 22:59
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15 November 1943 The British destroyer Quail strikes a mine at the entrance to the harbor at Bari and is beached, later capsizing under tow during salvage operations.
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Nov 15, 2017 23:06
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Grey Hunter posted:I have literally no idea what this task force is doing here. Not a clue! That's our Grey Hunter! *laugh track*
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Nov 16, 2017 00:30
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Jobbo_Fett posted:They skipped class. Surely if they skipped a ship class, they would have said they were attacking a BC? 
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Nov 16, 2017 20:59
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I have a feeling this is down to the fog of war thing again. The pilots may have indeed thought it was a cruiser because they misidentified it, but it is actually a BB and the game reports what is happening accurately.
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Nov 17, 2017 04:45
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   Boom! Good sub!   We gun down a couple more planes.  We gun down more in the next wave.   A strike on Tarawa loses us a lot of planes for no gain.  Here is our carrier – but why do I have troops on a troop ship here? I have no idea what is going on in this front it seems!   I can almost taste that carrier..... 
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Nov 17, 2017 05:31
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Claudes in November 1943? Oy vey. 16 November 1943 The Japanese minelayer Ukishima is
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Nov 17, 2017 05:44
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are those ships hauling troops from New Caledonia, maybe?
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Nov 17, 2017 07:46
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:Claudes in November 1943? Oy vey. Its in one of the squadrons that refuses to have anything useful in the upgrade paths.
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Nov 17, 2017 09:06
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P39s? Really? The grapefruit catapults?
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Nov 17, 2017 14:27
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  One of our subs is savaged.  I take it you've not spotted any flattops? Because we're taking losses for little effect here.  Unescorted? No no no!  We get a hit on the carrier, but these losses are going to take a long time to replace!  Target. The. Bloody. Carrier.  We get a small measure of revenge.   The Pompon is being very annoying.  We trade planes over Magwe.  Those are some bloody losses from my air core.  All that and a tanker.
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Nov 17, 2017 19:08
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It is a goddamned shame US subs are no longer named after fish.
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Nov 17, 2017 19:12
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these air losses definitely seem sustainable
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Nov 17, 2017 23:07
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Seems like Japanese fighters just aren't capable of going toe-to-toe with equivalent numbers of US fighters by this point, unfortunately for Grey. As his pilot core gets whittled down this will just keep getting worse.
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Nov 17, 2017 23:29
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I’m reminded that in ‘44, the Japanese had carriers sitting empty because they couldn’t find air crews.
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Nov 18, 2017 00:44
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Grey Hunter posted:Its in one of the squadrons that refuses to have anything useful in the upgrade paths.  those poor guys17 November 1943 Japanese naval aircraft manage to torpedo the American fast transport McKean, a converted Wickes-class four-piper first commissioned in 1919, near Empress Augusta Bay.
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Nov 18, 2017 02:36
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  Here is your daily invasion report.  So, someone jokingly mentioned airbases in the thread, and me not having any there. I though, heh, I did that months ago. Then I checked – there is a air command unit on Ndeni, but I never reallocated the planes to it! This was because it arrived when I shipped the men out of China and I didn't have the political points. I sorted that before running this turn. I also stripped china of pilots.  There seems to be a difference. Ahh the stupid things you miss in a game this complex.  I give chase to the wounded Cowpens, imagine my surprise when I find she is not alone – although this is not many planes for three light carriers! They must have been on a delivery mission or something – which is why I took such heavy losses at Tarawa.  Literally the last plane in their strike gets a hit in.  These pilots may need more experience though.  The afternoon attack finds only one carrier.  Look at that – over 50,000 points and a ton of operational losses and destroyed on the ground!  So far we're only claiming the Cowpens as well.  Once again American torpedoes fail to sink one of our ships!
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Nov 18, 2017 21:19
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Gotta say, I hadn't considered the possibility of three CVLs. I don't think that would be enough capacity for that massed strike a few days ago. They'd only be carrying about a hundred planes between them.
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Nov 18, 2017 21:31
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goatface posted:Gotta say, I hadn't considered the possibility of three CVLs. Ominous music plays as a full CV battlegroup steams out of the fog
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Nov 18, 2017 21:33
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Grey Hunter posted:
That's Japanese Damage Control's job.
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Nov 18, 2017 21:44
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Crazycryodude posted:Ominous music plays as a full CV battlegroup steams out of the fog BY GAWD THATS ESSEX'S MUSIC! NIMITZ DON'T, OH YOU SON OF A BITCH
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Nov 18, 2017 21:57
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Crazycryodude posted:Ominous music plays as a full CV battlegroup steams out of the fog
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Nov 18, 2017 21:59
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18 November 1943 USS Bluefish torpedoes and sinks the Japanese escort destroyer Sanae 90 miles south of Basilan Island in the Philippines. Around the world, U-515 blows the stern off the British sloop Chanticleer with a homing torpedo between the Azores and Portugal. Chanticleer is towed to Horta in the Azores, renamed Lusitania, and used as a base ship, never being repaired.
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Nov 18, 2017 22:12
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I'm praying the Enterprise shows up if only for Grey's reaction. "No! You're dead! I killed you!"
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Nov 18, 2017 22:14
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"I DON'T HAVE YOUR CV BATTLEGROUP. AND gently caress YOU ANYWAY!" -US AI
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Nov 18, 2017 22:56
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Not bad! One dead CVL, likely to be two more joining it soon with any luck!
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Nov 19, 2017 09:19
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The Shokaku Air-group looks ... messy.
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Nov 19, 2017 13:31
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  Their night bombers continue to be better than my night fighters.  We do better by day.  It's not a torpedo, but it's better than nothing.  This one is a hit – and overkill.  The afternoon strike does more damage.  Gun them down.  Wildcats? They do another number on our planes.  More air losses, but another possible carrier. 
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Nov 19, 2017 19:01
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FM-1s would suggest escort carrier. Possibly their entire flight.
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Nov 19, 2017 19:21
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BurningStone posted:I’m reminded that in ‘44, the Japanese had carriers sitting empty because they couldn’t find air crews. The Japanese were stubbornly insistent on their slow training pipeline. Shattered Sword has a good section on the naval aviation school and how it brutalised recruits, producing very good pilots but at a rate entirely unsuited to wartime conditions. Then there were other dumb decisions. Zuikaku was unscathed after the Coral Sea, but her air groups were mauled. Instead of loading her up with Shokaku's air groups or other squadrons they had on hand, they left her empty and didn't send her to join the Midway operation.
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Nov 19, 2017 20:36
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Wait, wasn't there some posts a little while back that claimed the exact opposite? That Japanese pilots were barely trained and might be doing their first combat sortie with hilariously few flight hours logged? Or was that something that happened afterwards when they realized they didn't have much of a choice?
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Nov 19, 2017 20:52
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Wait, wasn't there some posts a little while back that claimed the exact opposite? That Japanese pilots were barely trained and might be doing their first combat sortie with hilariously few flight hours logged? Or was that something that happened afterwards when they realized they didn't have much of a choice? Yeah, in 1944 their pilots were not as well trained as they were in 1941. Pre-war, it was like 3 years training to make a carrier pilot. By 1945, they were pulling students out of college and throwing them in planes with one-way tickets.
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Nov 19, 2017 20:56
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Grey, you keep talking about your 'night fighters' getting mauled. You do know that 'night fighter' typically means fighters which have specialized equipment (such as radar, cannons sighted upward, etc) with which to spot night bombing attacks? And that the A6M2 is absolutely not one of those?
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Nov 19, 2017 21:29
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Basically, the Japanese finally realized that their production rate of pilots was far, far too low but, given this didn't happen until '43, it was far too late by then to make a difference, especially as they were already experiencing many other shortages. Here's a brief article on the subject: http://www.historynet.com/japans-fatally-flawed-air-forces-in-world-war-ii-2.htm If you don't feel like reading the entire thing, here are two paragraphs from it that pretty well sum up the situation at this point. quote:Another limitation was that Home Island flight instructors were faced with too many students to train them effectively. The urgency of training pilots overwhelmed the curriculum. “We couldn’t watch for individual errors and take the long hours necessary to weed the faults out of a trainee,” Sakai recalled in 1943. “Hardly a day passed when fire engines and ambulances did not race down the runways, sirens shrieking, to dig one or more pilots out of the plane they had wrecked on a clumsy takeoff or landing.” The decision to press for quantity over quality meant that poorly trained fliers graduated to combat units. “We were told to rush men through,” Sakai said, “to forget the fine points, just teach them how to fly and shoot.”
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Nov 19, 2017 21:51
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Wait, wasn't there some posts a little while back that claimed the exact opposite? That Japanese pilots were barely trained and might be doing their first combat sortie with hilariously few flight hours logged? Or was that something that happened afterwards when they realized they didn't have much of a choice? It's both. Their "regular" pilot training program produced pilots so slowly that by the end of the war, they had run out of experienced, or even decently-trained pilots. They switched to an abbreviated (to say the least) training program constrained by the lack of available planes and gas, and that resulted in the other effect described where pilots were going up in the air for the first time and flew directly into American task forces.
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Nov 20, 2017 02:38
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Velius posted:Grey, you keep talking about your 'night fighters' getting mauled. You do know that 'night fighter' typically means fighters which have specialized equipment (such as radar, cannons sighted upward, etc) with which to spot night bombing attacks? And that the A6M2 is absolutely not one of those? I mean my fighters set to night missions. Afaik japan has no dedicated night fighters.
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Nov 20, 2017 07:26
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Grey Hunter posted:I mean my fighters set to night missions. Afaik japan has no dedicated night fighters. The Irving (aka J1N) can operate as one, if they are in this game. So can the Nick and the Dinah. ugh its Troika fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Nov 20, 2017 |
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