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Barudak posted:Quistis's Limit Break Devour does the eating Devour is a GF skill any character can get if they junction Eden. Quistis' Limit is blue magic acquisition, but she's not eating the monsters.
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JRPGs can start slow mechanically (time to core gameplay loop and time to last tutorial) and start slow narratively. Narratively I'd sort FF into "quiet" openings, where the player explores the environment and builds to a climax without immediate danger, and "loud" openings where the player is immediately put in a mostly scripted but thematically life-or-death scenario. I, III, V, VIII, IX, and XV have quiet openings. II, IV, VI, VII, X, XII, and XIII have loud openings.
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voltcatfish posted:FF15 newbie here Final Fantasy 15 is two different movies. One is Harold & Kumar & Noctis & Gladio & Prompto & Ignis go to Lestallum. The other is Final Fantasy XV starring Keanu Reeves. Your enjoyment of the game will depend on how much you like both genres
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NikkolasKing posted:The weird thing about the FFVIII Concert is there are two songs the band can serenade Squall and Rinoa with. There is a recurring motif throughout the game that is basically their love theme and that is one of the options for the band to play. HOWEVER, if you have the band play this song, Squall and Rinoa get into a fight and she runs away. I watched a bit of some dude's first time VIII playthrough a while ago and he messed up the concert in a wonderful fashion. Every other character plays Eyes on Me but in the end Quistis comes in and starts playing that goddamn jig on a flute, ruining the concert and the date. Funnily enough Quisty still being thirsty for Squall and sabotaging his date would have been more characterization than she actually got.
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The White Dragon posted:Final Fantasy 15 is two different movies. One is Harold & Kumar & Noctis & Gladio & Prompto & Ignis go to Lestallum. The other is Final Fantasy XV starring Keanu Reeves. I loved both of these aspects of the game but this split really kills the pacing of the game. Not much really happens in Lucis plotwise and once you get to Altissia things move way too quickly and become way too linear and it feels like a completely different game. This makes sense thematically, but I still think it would have been better if they had made Lucis smaller and increased the size of the other locations instead (maybe like they did with Insomnia in the Royal Edition). A lot of the side content and even parts of the main quest could have happened anywhere, when you think about it, and apparently they already had a second continent prepared that they just needed to fill with things to do. This would have made the different parts of the game feel more connected and made for a better experience IMO.
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Microcline posted:JRPGs can start slow mechanically (time to core gameplay loop and time to last tutorial) and start slow narratively. Narratively I'd sort FF into "quiet" openings, where the player explores the environment and builds to a climax without immediate danger, and "loud" openings where the player is immediately put in a mostly scripted but thematically life-or-death scenario. The whiplash from loud to suddenly quiet that then stays quiet for way too long is one of the bigger issues with XII, I think.
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lobster22221 posted:Oh, I thought we were talking narrative. Yeah that would definitely change my list. In that case 13 is probably the slowest game ever. You don't unlock the full system until halfway through the game. Magic takes a long time to access too. You get the ravager role (the main role that uses magic) 2 hours into the game, most of it is cutscene. All the given parties you have to control up until the game lets you make your own include at least 1 ravager. That's not really a long time tbh.
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Gologle posted:If you guys liked Suikoden II so much, why didn't you buy it back then I did  Microcline posted:JRPGs can start slow mechanically (time to core gameplay loop and time to last tutorial) and start slow narratively. Narratively I'd sort FF into "quiet" openings, where the player explores the environment and builds to a climax without immediate danger, and "loud" openings where the player is immediately put in a mostly scripted but thematically life-or-death scenario. IX has my favorite opening in the series because it's a little fast-paced comic adventure where you jump around between the perspectives of several main characters and it all ends with a big explosion.
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I'd argue that every FF game, including FF1, starts in medias res to some extent except for 8. 8 is interesting because there's a really obvious Final Fantasy opening sequence right up near the front - the Dollet mission - but you have to go through waking up in the clinic and that GF tutorial with Ifrit. I wouldn't be surprised at all if, at some point, the game wasn't supposed to open with landing on the beach in Dollet.
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The White Dragon posted:Final Fantasy 15 is two different movies. One is Harold & Kumar & Noctis & Gladio & Prompto & Ignis go to Lestallum. The other is Final Fantasy XV starring Keanu Reeves. Yeah but its the good Keanu from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
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Mar 29, 2018 15:26
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The White Dragon posted:Final Fantasy 15 is two different movies. One is Harold & Kumar & Noctis & Gladio & Prompto & Ignis go to Lestallum. The other is Final Fantasy XV starring Keanu Reeves. It was a little weird when Noctis decided to cosplay as John Wick.
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Another great, but weird thing about FF8 was when you were at Galbadia Garden, one of the areas you walk through is a hockey rink, and the random encounter there is the Galbadian Hockey Team, which I inevitably grinded so that I could get my average level up high enough so that I could draw triple from Cerberus.
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*comic book panel with a giant pile of bloody student athlete corpses in the background* "Squall er, are we the baddies?" At least in XV a bunch of wildlife has a "herbivore" flag or something like that which makes Prompto occasionally go "man, why are we going around slaughtering these guys anyway" and Noctis is pretty much like "kill or be killed lol" Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Mar 29, 2018 |
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I'd say the least "insane" Final Fantasy (outside of the MMOs that I haven't played) is XII. I mean, the craziest part is some gods give people magic stones, which is like the most mundane part of a lot of the FF series.
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XIV is pretty sane for the most part. The big main thing is a giant mega evil magitek empire bent on world domination while beast races have the ability to summon their gods via lots of magic crystals and wishes. The first expansion Heavensward is all about the nation Ishgard's centuries long war with dragons. The second expansion Stormblood is about the liberation of nations under control of the evil empire.
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FFXI is also comparatively tame of a game, especially just like...vanilla.
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I have been convinced and am excited for the disappointment I will feel come disk 3, thanks thread.
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Barudak posted:Yes. One of you other party membes who is otherwise a regular 20ish year old woman can eat just about any non boss monster in the game. Angelo is used as part of Rinoa's limit breaks, not her weapon. No one has Devour as a limit. Everyone can use it, because it's just a normal ability. Propagator's matching color gimmick is optional. You can just kill 'em in any order you like and they just all despawn after a while. It doesn't even take that long.
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seiferguy posted:Another great, but weird thing about FF8 was when you were at Galbadia Garden, one of the areas you walk through is a hockey rink, and the random encounter there is the Galbadian Hockey Team, which I inevitably grinded so that I could get my average level up high enough so that I could draw triple from Cerberus.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:XIV is pretty sane for the most part.  
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DACK FAYDEN posted:It's canon that those guys are human-shaped monsters and Galbadia just has monsters on their hockey team because why the hell not - it comes up in their Scan data. In that case VIII missed a chance to have a minigame even better than triple triad. 
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YoshiOfYellow posted:XIV is pretty sane for the most part.[...] The first expansion Heavensward is all about the nation Ishgard's centuries long war with dragons. [...] "We Dragons made peace with the elves because I ate one of them. Then the war started again because they ate my sister and her boyfriend got pissed."
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Sanity report: 1: warriors time travel to beat a big monster. It's be done. Sane. 2: orphaned friends lead a rebellion against an empire. Also been done. Sane. 3: orphaned warriors go fight a man who was really controlled by a dominatrix. Also, you're on a floating island. Losing a little sanity. 4: turns out you're half moon-man and the baddie is your brother. Losing more sanity. 5: evil tree and it's gay lover fight a (probably) gay protagonist and his harem of princesses from different planets. Insane. 6: nihilistic magical clown destroys the planet, then you kill him and restore it. Teenage protagonists learn about love and suicide. Pretty sane. 7: eco-terrorists recruit man who faked his resume to take down capitalism. Protagonist fakes it till he makes it. Kind of insane. 8: orphaned friends who can't remember their childhood time travel to beat a witch. Protagonist's girlfriend shoots people with a dog and was previously banging boyfriend's bully. Full blown insane. 9: lead characters are clones or princesses. Evil tree makes a reappearance. Pretty insane. 10: summoners create a world with their own headcannon including a sports star with serious daddy issues. Also, religion is a sham. Pretty insane. 12: this plot is literally ripped from Star Wars. Sane. 13: probably insane. 15: it's like the beginning of Very Bad Things where a bachelor party goes wrong, but instead of a hooker being impaled by a coat hanger, it's the protagonist's fiancee. Kind of insane?
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bloom posted:In that case VIII missed a chance to have a minigame even better than triple triad. god I FUKKKKKKING LOVE MUTANT LEAGUE HOCKEY AND (to a lesser extent) FOOTBALL Why have those never made it to the 3ds or a virtual console or something?!!??!
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DACK FAYDEN posted:It's canon that those guys are human-shaped monsters and Galbadia just has monsters on their hockey team because why the hell not - it comes up in their Scan data. The first time you go to Galbadia garden to get Irvine if you wander around there's also a dude hanging around the locker room who'll say some stuff about monster hockey players which is a very impressive amount of consistency for FFVIII.
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NikkolasKing posted:I mean, if the tournament arc is interesting in terms of establishing the battle system or introducing characters, I could see it being kinda fun. Corn neglected to mention it’s a tournament arc where you don’t participate bc it’s for your sister’s hand in marriage lol Also you have a couple temporary bases before you finally get your main base, which is a big deal in suikoden I love suikoden v to death but it’s phenomenally slow
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MikeJF posted:The whiplash from loud to suddenly quiet that then stays quiet for way too long is one of the bigger issues with XII, I think. Xenoblade going from the Battle of Sword Valley to a slow buildup to the inevitable destruction of your idyllic hometown is the same plot structure as XII's going from the Raid on Nalbina to a slow buildup to robbing the palace. The difference isn't the suddenness of the transition but that quiet sections are where characters and environment get a chance to shine and the first quiet section of XII is Vaan in a sewer level slowly autoattacking rats.
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Bruceski posted:"We Dragons made peace with the elves because I ate one of them. Then the war started again because they ate my sister and her boyfriend got pissed." Also the dragons are actually space aliens.
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Mezzanon posted:god I FUKKKKKKING LOVE MUTANT LEAGUE HOCKEY AND (to a lesser extent) FOOTBALL Because the universe is cruel and unfair. 
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kirbysuperstar posted:Also the dragons are actually space aliens. Man I need to get caught up on Stormblood, evidently
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Ciaphas posted:Man I need to get caught up on Stormblood, evidently That was a Heavensward plot twist, made known when you're talking with Tiamat, I think?
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kirbysuperstar posted:That was a Heavensward plot twist, made known when you're talking with Tiamat, I think? That they aren't from Eorzea at all? I sure don't remember that but it has been a while, so okay 
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Ciaphas posted:That they aren't from Eorzea at all? I sure don't remember that but it has been a while, so okay Not native to Hydaelyn at all. Midgardsormr arrived from space with the eggs for the First Brood and the Twelve ended up putting him in charge of protecting Silvertear. Bahamut and Tiamat went off to Meracydia and the others (Hraesvelgr, Rattatoskr, Nidhogg) mostly stayed in Eorzea.
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Mezzanon posted:god I FUKKKKKKING LOVE MUTANT LEAGUE HOCKEY AND (to a lesser extent) FOOTBALL http://store.steampowered.com/app/529520/Mutant_Football_League/ there is this, supposedly by the main guy behind the original ones. Dunno how good it is, though
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I remember Mutant League had a Saturday morning Cartoon where the mainguy was a skeleton dude who looked like Bret Hart. I remember one episode he was accused of murder by pushing someone into a car. Keep in mind this show had sports where the players would usually decapitate or dismember each other.
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ROFL Octopus posted:Corn neglected to mention it’s a tournament arc where you don’t participate bc it’s for your sister’s hand in marriage lol Also it has a sewer level because why the gently caress not.
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Red Red Blue posted:http://store.steampowered.com/app/529520/Mutant_Football_League/ there is this, supposedly by the main guy behind the original ones. Dunno how good it is, though The reviews look extremely positive! Microcline posted:Xenoblade going from the Battle of Sword Valley to a slow buildup to the inevitable destruction of your idyllic hometown is the same plot structure as XII's going from the Raid on Nalbina to a slow buildup to robbing the palace. The difference isn't the suddenness of the transition but that quiet sections are where characters and environment get a chance to shine and the first quiet section of XII is Vaan in a sewer level slowly autoattacking rats. Yeah, there's really no comparison. Xenoblade is incredible. FF XII starts off with a forced tutorial, a sewer level, boring desert, back to the sewer level, more desert, and then prison. I am a fan of FF XII, but the first 10 hours are certainly something.
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Die Sexmonster! posted:The reviews look extremely positive! One thing I'll give FF XII credit for was having at least a bit of variety in the desert, even if the color scheme wasn't too great outside of rabanastre. Oil platforms, and plains that flashflood are not something you see in most jrpgs. Even the more generic desert maps mostly looked distinct from each other(other than the westersand and the estersand). I just wish it was a bit more colorful. And that individual zones were unique. lobster22221 fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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Hoo boy Comrades is a bit of a slog. Also thanks for all the FF8 chat earlier, hearing about all that sure brought back a lot of memories. Still my favourite final fantasy.
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Die Sexmonster! posted:Yeah, there's really no comparison. Xenoblade is incredible. FF XII starts off with a forced tutorial, a sewer level, boring desert, back to the sewer level, more desert, and then prison. And all with a nobody character that leaves you wondering what's the point. Nobody characters that get caught up in something big are fine, but you have to put them actually getting involved close enough to the start to engage you, otherwise you're just wondering 'why the hell am I a random person wandering around running errands for hours'.
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