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Smiling Jack posted:Yeah but it doesn't randomly explode when you try to fire the main gun. I'm sure it might if you had used ammunition that had been improperly stored for four decades.
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McNally posted:I'm sure it might if you had used ammunition that had been improperly stored for four decades. Or if the pilot was gay. And lets be honest here, the airforce is pretty gay.
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mlmp08 posted:What are you referring to? The Navy's explanation that a "gay" saboteur stuck a detonator in the powder which caused the explosion, I think.
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MrYenko posted:That's like keeping all four of the Iowas in commission until we built enough Jet Skis to overwhelm Switzerland's coastal defenses. You're gonna need a whole bunch of jet skis then   (.50 cal not pictured)
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Davin Valkri posted:The Navy's explanation that a "gay" saboteur stuck a detonator in the powder which caused the explosion, I think. They even made up a story about how he did it to get back at an officer who had broken up with him. Oh, and the guy they framed died in the explosion, too.
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ArchangeI posted:Or if the pilot was gay. And lets be honest here, the airforce is pretty gay. Can we submit all of "Top Gun" into evidence to support this claim?
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ArchangeI posted:Or if the pilot was gay. And lets be honest here, the airforce is pretty gay. The Navy and especially the Marines would like to talk with you.
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PhotoKirk posted:Can we submit all of "Top Gun" into evidence to support this claim? Top Gun was about Navy pilots 
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mlmp08 posted:What are you referring to? The Navy attempted to cover up the gross incompetence of several senior officers by smearing one of the victims as a gay saboteur who committed a massive murder-suicide. Basically everyone involved in actually firing the guns was absolutely terrified of the loving things, and repeatedly warned that a catastrophic failure was imminent. Senior leadership responded by not refurbishing the guns and then attempting to fire for a distance record with predictable results. The Navy then blamed the resulting deaths on a dead enlisted guy. Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Nov 28, 2013 |
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I remember being 16 or thereabouts when this happened. The whole GAY SABOTEUR angle was pretty slimy, even back then.
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Figured this thread would be the best place to ask this. Does anyone here know what this thing is called or it's model number? I keep seeing them in MIGs and some MI-24s. My best guess is that it's some gyroscopic gunsight, but I'm not sure. 
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Subtuna posted:Figured this thread would be the best place to ask this. Does anyone here know what this thing is called or it's model number? I keep seeing them in MIGs and some MI-24s. My best guess is that it's some gyroscopic gunsight, but I'm not sure. You might also try this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3276654
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Subtuna posted:Figured this thread would be the best place to ask this. Does anyone here know what this thing is called or it's model number? I keep seeing them in MIGs and some MI-24s. My best guess is that it's some gyroscopic gunsight, but I'm not sure. Why is some of that in a weird language while the rest of it is in Cyrillic? 
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I love the way old Soviet cockpits look. It looks like someone shoved a bunch of knobs, switches and levers up their nose, sneezed, and wherever things ended up is where they stayed.
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Oxford Comma posted:Why is some of that in a weird language while the rest of it is in Cyrillic? The only things I see not in a Cyrillic alphabet (presumably Russian) is some English on the transponder? (And maybe the paper, I can't tell).
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:I love the way old Soviet cockpits look. It looks like someone shoved a bunch of knobs, switches and levers up their nose, sneezed, and wherever things ended up is where they stayed. In the Soviet military, "human factors" was a measure of how many men would die assaulting a fortified position.
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Smiling Jack posted:The Navy attempted to cover up the gross incompetence of several senior officers by smearing one of the victims as a gay saboteur who committed a massive murder-suicide. My Google-fu is weak today, got a link to more information?
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Shooting Blanks posted:My Google-fu is weak today, got a link to more information? Here's the whole wikipedia article about it, check the sources for more scholarly notes. Also the Navy never officially recanted on it's version of events after being proven wrong by a subsequent investigation.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I swear to god we are going to ship the first 187 F-35s directly to A-10 units and fly the F-16 until the wings fall off just to spite you fuckers. poo poo, we might end up doing that anyway because we only got 187 F-35s total. Dead Reckoning posted:In the Soviet military, "human factors" was a measure of how many men would die assaulting a fortified position. "By the way, who won the air war?"
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Don't forget the Russians did and do make some pretty good ejection seats. Comfort may not be their prime priority but they are no more interested in losing expensively selected and trained flight crews than the West is. The azure interiors prevalent in Soviet/Russian cockpits was apparently picked based on some study that determined it was the color most conducive to calm pilots during stress. Dunno about that, academic inbreeding in the USSR led to a lot of questionable science.
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LP97S posted:Here's the whole wikipedia article about it, check the sources for more scholarly notes. Also the Navy never officially recanted on it's version of events after being proven wrong by a subsequent investigation. Man, I had forgotten what a shitstorm of politics that the investigations ended up being. As usual, the brass got off easily.
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I'm sure some of you remember the Time-Life 'Great Fighting Jets' documentary series. As far as I can find it was never released on DVD, but I have five of the VHS tapes. The F-86, F-84, F-5, F-104 and F-105 documentaries. I uploaded them to YouTube, http://www.youtube.com/user/Qres80/videos I posted those in the AI Airplane thread already, but since I only just found out about this thread I thought I'd drop it in here in case some of you don't read that thread.
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Q_res posted:I'm sure some of you remember the Time-Life 'Great Fighting Jets' documentary series. As far as I can find it was never released on DVD, but I have five of the VHS tapes. The F-86, F-84, F-5, F-104 and F-105 documentaries. I uploaded them to YouTube, http://www.youtube.com/user/Qres80/videos Just FYI these are great watches and pretty clean for VHS caps. Thanks Q_res!
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On the phone right now with my baby sis, who is currently on duty in a nuke LCC  happy thanksgiving sister!
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Sjurygg posted:Don't forget the Russians did and do make some pretty good ejection seats. Comfort may not be their prime priority but they are no more interested in losing expensively selected and trained flight crews than the West is. The azure interiors prevalent in Soviet/Russian cockpits was apparently picked based on some study that determined it was the color most conducive to calm pilots during stress. Dunno about that, academic inbreeding in the USSR led to a lot of questionable science. Huh, I heard it was because that colour would allow for more light in low-light conditions, while not being blinding during the day.
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Plinkey posted:I thought someone made an effort post on that color a few months ago in either this thread or the AI thread. Or was it an effort post on on color of US cockpits? The difference will be that the soviet cockpits are the colour determined as most stress-reducing by a pseudoscientist supported by Stalin and whose planes were as dangerous to the pilot as to the enemy; while US planes are the colour determined to be the favourite of whichever congressman or senator the aerospace company bribed to have their plane adopted, and it will be more dangerous to the pilot than the enemy. British cockpit colours are determined by what colour hat Queen Elizabeth is wearing and therefore are objectively best. That is all, thank you. Shell Zanzibar.
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Vindolanda posted:Shell Zanzibar. Is this a Cato the Elder thing, and if so what do you have against Zanzibar?
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Cyrano4747 posted:Is this a Cato the Elder thing, and if so what do you have against Zanzibar? They've had it easy for too long. And all the best wars have sequels. Zanzibaro delenda est e: Actually the answer is I stayed up all night editing my housemates dissertations, and in my sleep deprived state it made the shape of the overall text nicer. Vindolanda fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Nov 29, 2013 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Is this a Cato the Elder thing, and if so what do you have against Zanzibar? Because Big Boss was a dick? 
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iyaayas01 posted:"By the way, who won the air war?" This one always gets me because the Soviets were pretty drat aware of just how bad it would be to lose the air war, and poured a shitload of resources into preventing just that from happening.
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I recently had the thought wondering if simple AT-rifles such as the PTRD could be useful in an insurgency situation. The weapon's firing report, while huge, still doesn't compare to that of an RPG, and would be effective against humvees, trucks and even stykers*. The ammunition is also much lighter so many more shots can be carried. Assuming a two man team, the weapon could be designed to be broken down into two pieces, the barrel and the rest which would aid in fading away from the engagement. poo poo, the barrel would even be long enough that assuming you added on some bits to it, it could be concealed as a crutch. *As I recall the applique ceramic tiles on the front for this level of protection was found to be ineffective a few years ago
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Xerxes17 posted:I recently had the thought wondering if simple AT-rifles such as the PTRD could be useful in an insurgency situation. The weapon's firing report, while huge, still doesn't compare to that of an RPG, and would be effective against humvees, trucks and even stykers*. The ammunition is also much lighter so many more shots can be carried. Assuming a two man team, the weapon could be designed to be broken down into two pieces, the barrel and the rest which would aid in fading away from the engagement. poo poo, the barrel would even be long enough that assuming you added on some bits to it, it could be concealed as a crutch. IEDs are cheaper, easier to create/acquire and more effective.
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