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Every single person in this thread could probably write their own 5th edition VtM by winter of 2018. And should.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Well, then. I am looking forward to this for none of the reasons they intended.
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Sep 5, 2016 04:01
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Obligatum VII posted:I am looking forward to this for none of the reasons they intended. Same. When will people learn not to leave things up to the internet at large?
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Sep 5, 2016 04:08
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Kavak posted:Same. When will people learn not to leave things up to the internet at large?  I can't imagine where you get the idea that unrestricted access from the peanut gallery is in any way a bad thing.
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Sep 5, 2016 04:14
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I am also looking forward to the likely scenario where the malkavians outnumber all the other clans combined 2 to 1. And they're all fishmalks. Every last one of them.
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Sep 5, 2016 04:17
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Since everything is player driven, let me be the first to bow to our Lord and savior, Ravyn DarkShydyw and Lord Griffeth Blufwulf.
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Sep 5, 2016 04:24
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Soonmot posted:Since everything is player driven, let me be the first to bow to our Lord and savior, Ravyn DarkShydyw and Lord Griffeth Blufwulf. 
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Sep 5, 2016 04:43
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Oh my god it's full of stars.
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Sep 5, 2016 05:06
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I look forward to the newest Antediluvian, Fangy McFangFace
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Sep 5, 2016 05:54
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What I've heard has pretty much been covered, but my big gripes are less with players driving the metaplot (that's going to be a loving trainwreck, but hopefully a hilarious one) and more with them redefining and retooling concepts like the Camarilla and the Beast. To a degree it may be necessary these days, but it nonetheless makes me wary. I also both dislike and like the new disciplines thing. On the one hand, it's neat and it makes sense, but it also breaks away large parts of the purpose of clans and boons. It also means most Gangrel are going to develop obfuscate if that example is anything to go by - few clans spend more time as social outcasts or trying not to be seen than the gangrel do - and there's all kinds of balance issues that are going to result from that and things like a toreador learning in-clan potence by spending a few years in night-time MMA matches. EDIT: It occurs to me that the project should be finished (well, the oWod stage. I'm not sure I have it in me to do a nWoD one as well.) by 2018, and new-White Wolf is going to put together a setting bible to give out to all licensees. If I manage to finalized it in due time, it might actually dovetail very nicely with their timeframe - an encyclopedic database of all major events, known septs, principalities, etc more comprehensive and easier to use than any currently available other than internal documents we aren't privy to, sortable by source, timeframe, geographical location, etc. Exactly the sort of thing that's great to tack onto a setting bible to avoid inconsistencies. Need to know if declaring someone Prince of Exeter is going to clash (and if it does, is it a big clash that needs a note of explanation text or a one-note mention from a 1993 text?) Just check the database. It's still probably not going to happen, but the possibility of it actually being picked up is higher now with nWW's new priorities of a setting bible and a planned growing welcome to fan-produced work. Loomer fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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Sep 5, 2016 06:22
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"Humans are people and matter, so go seek out that one special snowflake that gives you dots of Potence so that someone else can kill him and make all those experience points you spent worthless." I can see no way in which this works, like, at all. For a LARP exclusively, maybe. but asking for LARP/Tabletop interaction from a metaplot perspective is ludicrous. Kurieg fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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Sep 5, 2016 08:17
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One suggestion about it that I liked was that your herd will inform your disciplines not just in terms of gaining them, but in maintaining them. So if you want to keep up your obfuscate or your potence or your protean, you have to eat the appropriate people. It's still not really what I want to see in VtM - as a variant rule maybe, but not core - but as a possibility it's interesting. You'd have to redesign the game ground up around it though.
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Exactly, it completely changes the kind of game that Vampire is. I really didn't see the sideways swerve from glorious highborne manchildren to Pikmin coming.
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So... okay. If players are driving the metaplot, do we just kind of assume then that LARP is the main format? Because that's the only universal format. If that's the case, I expect the metaplot to mostly be convoluted and piss boring. Because while Vampire can be very fun to play in a LARP, retelling the stories tends to lose something in translation and usually comes down to "and then we killed everyone" or "I somehow ended up holding the ball when everybody else quit." Basically what I'm saying is that writing anything by taking cliff notes from a LARP is a great way to end up with a cringy and frankly dull story. EDIT: Also what will that even look like? Vampire driven entirely by Instagram and Twitter? I have some predictions about that and it's ugly guys. It's real ugly. EDIT EDIT: Also also - 5th is starting to sound more and more like the fanfiction edition, with changes to the Beast and the Cam and other core concepts. So why would I play their version of White Wolf's winning formula when Requiem is right there? Mendrian fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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Sep 5, 2016 08:46
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My hope is it's more 'metaplot will no longer be Jan Pieterzoon taking everyone for a drive while ignoring their suggestions' and less 'I, Dracula LARPer, am now literally the Dracula'
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Mendrian posted:EDIT EDIT: Also also - 5th is starting to sound more and more like the fanfiction edition, with changes to the Beast and the Cam and other core concepts. So why would I play their version of White Wolf's winning formula when Requiem is right there? Yeah, this is really confusing me. I thought they went with Masquerade for nostalgia pandering, but they're throwing most of that out with this. Who does this appeal to besides them and people more into LARPing than any specific game? The oWoD diehards are probably going to be put off by the gameplay and setting changes, and the nWoD fans are just going to stick with 2nd edition.
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Given that "transmedia" is listed twice in the internal docs (were those internal docs?) I'm guessing they got snowed by the silicon valley cult of social media transformation. Lots of kids have probably had the idea that the way to take LARP to the next level is to connect it so that the vamps who gather in public parks after school can know what's going on at the public parks in the next town, and then your Cam / Anarch battles matter in the grand scheme of things! Because you know the kids in Albuquerque are just champing at the bit to incorporate last week's Santa Fe drama into their next session. So basically what I think they envision is something like EVE and how its masses of relatively uncoordinated players created a continuous metafiction out of nothing, but in real space rather than a virtual one. It's ironic given their history with CCP. And not especially smart given that EVE's metafiction is only interesting in the broad strokes, the actual details kind of ruin the illusion of it all. It's not Dune or Battlestar, it's griefers and weekend warriors calling each other slurs.
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But more to the point I just picture long-term LARP to be something like the weird RP message boards based on A Song of Ice And Fire (not Game of Thrones, they'll insist), where every poster is a member of a great house but all the fiction they create is fundamentally different from the source material, there's no mystery or suspense or irrevocable violence, it's just "court intrigue", which translates exactly into "hanging out in a chat room, describing feasts and parties you're throwing, and talking poo poo behind each other's backs"
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"Transmedia" is inexorably linked with Gareth-Michael Skarka's Far West in my mind, so I can't take anyone who uses it even a little bit seriously.
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Sep 5, 2016 17:03
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All I know is that I am trying to decide what anime to badly shop fangs onto for my upcoming viichan RP Twitter's avatar.
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Sep 5, 2016 17:05
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The first iteration of any given Paradox Interactive product is usually not worth playing, so I look forward to their vampire game after several rounds of patches and expansions.
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I mean the only coherent way I see this working is a message board where regional LARPs can upload their meeting minutes and some poor intern has to collate them all and make it presentable. But more or less immediately you'll have regions that don't report in because an IRL breakup happened during the Buffalo sesh and killed it, or everybody in San Diego got killed by a nuke because they were just having fun doing ludicrous poo poo and not taking into consideration that they're all collaborators on a grand project. After a few weeks it'll be clear that people liked metaplot on a conceptual level but rarely based their games around it, the whole thing will collapse and Scandinavian Dracula will go home with his dragon tail tucked between his legs to hire pro writers and bring things back to the old ways. Really though, this is a return to oWoD form in one way: Mary Sues and Marty Stus, miles wide and fathoms deep, as far as the eye can see. Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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Sep 5, 2016 17:21
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Mors Rattus posted:All I know is that I am trying to decide what anime to badly shop fangs onto for my upcoming viichan RP Twitter's avatar. The obvious choice is an anime that is already a vampire, just now with big novelty fangs.
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Sep 5, 2016 17:24
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BRB, writing a sheet for the Prince of my Home Town so I can skype call in every other game and just yell poo poo at people because 'what are you gonna do, fly downunder and fight me?' And then the Prince of my Home Town will go down in canon as an aggressive computer-face, and all will be as it should be. Transmedia, bitch!
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Sep 5, 2016 17:27
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Loomer posted:BRB, writing a sheet for the Prince of my Home Town so I can skype call in every other game and just yell poo poo at people because 'what are you gonna do, fly downunder and fight me?' I will fly down there and throw nerf balls at you to signify my attack. And no, I have no idea how MET is actually played.
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Sep 5, 2016 17:31
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This is how One World By Night and the Mind's Eye Society work. Or don't. The MES is basically a pbem with a vestigial LARP attached.
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Sep 5, 2016 17:32
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If you have a bunch of time and money to spend flying to conventions and driving around to other games every Saturday and being active on the mailing lists, you can be a real player in the MES. Otherwise hope those players don't take too close an interest in your local game.
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Sep 5, 2016 17:34
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Also, git gud at Rock Paper Scissors.
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Sep 5, 2016 17:36
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I feel like, to get the most accurate experience, I need to somehow have an emotional and sexual affair with someone's wife as ScreamPrince McComputerface that starts as 'oh it's just IC honey' and winds up full of weird fat sweaty sex. How accurate an impression of VtM/CtD LARPing is that?
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Sep 5, 2016 17:38
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...Yeah, good point.
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Pope Guilty posted:If you have a bunch of time and money to spend flying to conventions and driving around to other games every Saturday and being active on the mailing lists, you can be a real player in the MES. Otherwise hope those players don't take too close an interest in your local game. But this is my point. The "game" those people play is quite enjoyable to them, but tedious to anyone who is listening to their stories - sort of like listening to someone recall a particularly rousing game of Risk. And it's also, from a narrative perspective, dumb as hell. I met a completely socially broken person once who claimed to be the Prince of an entire US state, the Sheriff of a major city, the highest ranking Gangrel in an entire region... and all he did was sit around Elysium all night checking people for Diablerie and 'waiting for plot', as he put it. Real narratives have conflict and character development. LARPs are exciting because it's you against the world; you can take as much as you can get away with and bargain for, and it's fun, but it's not coherent at all from anyone else's point of view.
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On an unrelated note, I started up on Apocalypse - the end times stuff is always my favourite so it goes fast. The first chapter is, as always, 'common' to all scenarios and in this case is specified as being more or less officially how it goes down, which means this is a default option for every scenario. That default option is, as a sign of the end, every single volcano on earth exploding. It isn't specific to all be at once, but it's implied to happen in fairly short order. I'm not going to go into too much detail because there's no point because if that happens, everyone loving dies. The sun gets blotted out for years, temperatures plummet, massive amounts of infrastructure basically vanish, acid rain and toxic ash coat the world. Then it heats up, and anyone who isn't already dead dies. And then everything but the most robust and simple life dies. So that's a wrap on Apocalypse, I guess, since it's hard to beat a warning sign that literally kills every single thing on the planet. More seriously, they do say some of the events may not suit subtler games but that one precludes even the most extreme endgame option and I'm still going to do a write-up, but we can sub in a Tier 3 for all of them if that sign goes off as written.
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Mendrian posted:But this is my point. The "game" those people play is quite enjoyable to them, but tedious to anyone who is listening to their stories - sort of like listening to someone recall a particularly rousing game of Risk. And it's also, from a narrative perspective, dumb as hell. I met a completely socially broken person once who claimed to be the Prince of an entire US state, the Sheriff of a major city, the highest ranking Gangrel in an entire region... and all he did was sit around Elysium all night checking people for Diablerie and 'waiting for plot', as he put it. LARP stories are fun when, and only when, they are recounted with a degree of separation from what usually happens in a LARP and you're describing the highlights, and not the reams of dead air or plot points that went nowhere or confusing and ultimately pointless side-stories. So, basically the same as 99% of tradgame stories.
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An app lime Pokemon GO, except it's people to drink to gain Disciplines. "Oh man, I just got a Thaumaturgy! Aww gently caress, Path of Oneiromancy." Loomer posted:On an unrelated note, I started up on Apocalypse - the end times stuff is always my favourite so it goes fast. The first chapter is, as always, 'common' to all scenarios and in this case is specified as being more or less officially how it goes down, which means this is a default option for every scenario. I thought that was the Red Talon's master plan, not a sign of the end times.
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MonsieurChoc posted:An app lime Pokemon GO, except it's people to drink to gain Disciplines. "Look, there's a Sascha Vykos over by the 7-11, let's catch it... Oh poo poo, it's the Eternal Hearts version. Run!"
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Well, then. I respect them for having a whole bunch of money and deciding to burn it all in the most Pyrrhic geek out in history. Live the dream, you misguided fools.
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Mors Rattus posted:All I know is that I am trying to decide what anime to badly shop fangs onto for my upcoming viichan RP Twitter's avatar. You could always do the obvious thing and join the legion of Dios. On a side note, I could just see the whole mess devolving to straight up SS13 levels. Push down the brujah elder and fart on them.
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Cabbit posted:I respect them for having a whole bunch of money and deciding to burn it all in the most Pyrrhic geek out in history. Live the dream, you misguided fools. I didn't expect Paradox to make terrible, geeky business decision after they became publicly traded. I just want my Crusader Kings Vampire DLC already.
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Obligatum VII posted:You could always do the obvious thing and join the legion of Dios. Finally, a reason for the True Brujah to exist. Also the Salubri being taken from 3X3 Eyes.
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