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there wolf posted:They got shut down, so something wasn't legal. There was some deal with a local prison for day passes or an early release program... or maybe that was a different shady chicken plant. This reminds me... there was some big thing a few years back (I think in Florida) where some sports team was employing convicts at their concessions stands. The issues were that not only were they contracting through some grifter employment agency that itself was paying the convicts something around minimum wage, but they were also doing things like sticking recovering alcoholics in the beer stands so they had to pour a few hundred beers per night. Nothing coming up on google, oddly enough
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Regular Nintendo posted:This reminds me... there was some big thing a few years back (I think in Florida) where some sports team was employing convicts at their concessions stands. The issues were that not only were they contracting through some grifter employment agency that itself was paying the convicts something around minimum wage, but they were also doing things like sticking recovering alcoholics in the beer stands so they had to pour a few hundred beers per night. It was the Tampa Bay Bucs, and I believe it was mentally handicapped people from a group home, not cons.
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California pays prison inmates $1-$2 an hour to fight California's largest wildfire in it's history! They're also exempt from worker's comp if they get hurt and can't get a firefighting job when they get out!
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Elizabeth Mills posted:It was the Tampa Bay Bucs, and I believe it was mentally handicapped people from a group home, not cons. Oh. Awesome
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:That service was lovely, but if you are unbanked it was actually better for people than check cashing places. It was basically a lovely, but better than the current lovely options, way for unbanked people to get paid and have a debit card. That's not completely true... Check cashing places often have better service (i.e., tellers who speak the local ethnic group's language, open later at night, no minimums). Check cashing places also tend to have more predictable fees (albeit larger in the aggregate, but predictability may be more important to someone living check-to-check). Amusing anecdote: I used to live in D.C. On my way to work, I'd literally walk past 4 different bank branches, 1 check cashing place, and 1 pawn shop. For years, I wondered how the latter two businesses survived, given that this area clearly wasn't a banking-desert. gaj70 fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Aug 21, 2018 |
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The intersection next to one of my prior apartments had 5 check cashing places spread over the 4 corners. Edit: It also had 3 liquor stores and one pawn shop, it was a busy intersection.
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FCKGW posted:California pays prison inmates $1-$2 an hour to fight California's largest wildfire in it's history! Rock and roll capitalism baby 
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gaj70 posted:That's not completely true... Check cashing places often have better service (i.e., tellers who speak the local ethnic group's language, open later at night, no minimums). Check cashing places also tend to have more predictable fees (albeit larger in the aggregate, but predictability may be more important to someone living check-to-check). All of those things result in more money being taken from unbanked people, though. Except for the local ethnic group language. Also, without a debit card or checking account you can't make any purchases online or pay some utilities like internet/cable. It's not really equivalent to a check cashing place.
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duz posted:The intersection next to one of my prior apartments had 5 check cashing places spread over the 4 corners. I can't remember who did the study, but they developed an algorithm to determine the "worst" streets to live on in America based on the buildings on that street. The highest factors correlating with the rate of crime/poverty/joblessness were streets that had large ratios of liquor stores, churches, and pawn shops (they included title loan places as pawn shops) in small areas. If your street has 2 liquor stores, 2 churches, and a title loan place on the corner, then you probably live in an area that is in the top 5% for crime, unemployment, and poverty.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, without a debit card or checking account you can't make any purchases online or pay some utilities like internet/cable. It's not really equivalent to a check cashing place. The EU forces banks to offer a cheap "basic" bank account that includes a debit card to everyone. Which seems like a better way to solve this problem than check cashing places.
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Lambert posted:The EU forces banks to offer a cheap "basic" bank account that includes a debit card to everyone. Which seems like a better way to solve this problem than check cashing places. Depends on what you mean by "better." That isn't profitable.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Depends on what you mean by "better." That isn't profitable. "better for society" seems a pretty reasonable way to define "better".
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Depends on what you mean by "better." That isn't profitable. Serving people bad at money is extremely profitable. https://twitter.com/Socks5thAvenue/status/1032236308540735490
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I can't remember who did the study, but they developed an algorithm to determine the "worst" streets to live on in America based on the buildings on that street. Having 2 packies on my block would own
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I have one that is pretty well stocked about a block south, and a block north is a food coop that has wine/beer although they might be going out of business soon
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Depends on what you mean by "better." That isn't profitable. Sounds like postal banking which has been gaining a bit of steam lately.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Depends on what you mean by "better." That isn't profitable. EU banks are heavily digitized, Danish banks don't even offer cheques anymore. So costs are low and automation is everywhere. So it probably is profitable, at least a little.
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Blut posted:"better for society" seems a pretty reasonable way to define "better". IDK. In this case, I'd probably define it as "better for the poor person." Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:**** I'm surprised by churches. Is that because they're providing charitable services?
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gaj70 posted:IDK. In this case, I'd probably define it as "better for the poor person." It isn't a Church by itself, but situations where there are large amounts of churches and liquor stores clustered together. I think this is the study I was thinking of: quote:According to Lersch (2007, p. 6), “just as there are dangerous high risk places and spaces, there are also blocks of time in which victimization for certain types of crime is more likely than others.” For instance, as suggested by Miethe et al. (2006), a person has a higher risk of becoming a homicide or aggravated assault victim at night, on the weekend, and especially on Saturday night. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/248636.pdf
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ReidRansom posted:Serving people bad at money is extremely profitable. Meanwhile Georgia Governor candidate Stacy Abrams is being hounded over her poor financial decisions for deferring two years of taxes and having a payment plan with the IRS so she could help her parents with their medical costs.
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there wolf posted:Meanwhile Georgia Governor candidate Stacy Abrams is being hounded over her poor financial decisions for deferring two years of taxes and having a payment plan with the IRS so she could help her parents with their medical costs. It's a little more complicated than that. She's getting hounded for owing the IRS $54k and having over $100k in credit card and loan debt, but she gave her campaign a loan for $50k instead of paying off her taxes. The attack is "She owes the taxpayers and when she had the money to pay them back, she loaned it to her political campaign instead." Not in the same league as Hunter, but the attack isn't that she went into debt to help her parents.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's a little more complicated than that. She's getting hounded for owing the IRS $54k and having over $100k in credit card and loan debt, but she gave her campaign a loan for $50k instead of paying off her taxes. You must be catching more detailed campaign ads than I have. All I see are IRS debt =bad with money, boo! The reality is a lot more gray, student loans and credit card debt from when she was young and then some bad times for her family that she threw a lot of her personal finances into.
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Not from that area, but it's probably more "using your campaign funds for personal expenses = gambling with someone else's money = bad and reckless." And "Using your campaign funds for personal expenses = everyone might do it, but it's illegal."
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there wolf posted:There was a chicken plant in Georgia a few years back that was running a literal company town. I don't remember if they had company script, but employees stayed in houses owned by the company and rent, board, and utilities got taken straight from their paychecks before they ever got them. Are you thinking of this story, maybe? https://www.revealnews.org/article/they-thought-they-were-going-to-rehab-they-ended-up-in-chicken-plants/ Oklahoma, not Georgia, but definitely a chicken plant running a prison camp for their labor. 
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gaj70 posted:IDK. In this case, I'd probably define it as "better for the poor person." It's absolutely better for society (and even for capitalism to work like it's supposed to) to have the poor be banked. Lambert fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Aug 23, 2018 |
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there wolf posted:There was a chicken plant in Georgia a few years back that was running a literal company town. I don't remember if they had company script, but employees stayed in houses owned by the company and rent, board, and utilities got taken straight from their paychecks before they ever got them. Sounds like Coal board housing in the U.K. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coal_Board 140,000 of them in fact, they didn’t take for utilities but coal was reduced price or free for miners. When all the houses got sold off the people living in them got to buy them for £4000. Because a lot of the houses were concrete and needed bricking up there were £8000 cash grants available for improvements to each house, so miners were able to get short loans to buy them and ended up with the remaining £4000 in their pockets and basically a free house.
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Harvey Birdman posted:Are you thinking of this story, maybe? https://www.revealnews.org/article/they-thought-they-were-going-to-rehab-they-ended-up-in-chicken-plants/ Nope, this was Georgia. Probably the same deal, though. It's not like labor protections are any better here.
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Lambert posted:It's absolutely better for society (and even for capitalism to work like it's supposed to) to have the poor be banked. It depends on the cost. I can imagine some rules that would be better / optimal for "society" writ large, but suck for the some communities within it. Put differently, "better for society" and "better for the poor" aren't synonymous.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/1032418919091453954?s=19 Still not closing that loving kmart in Minneapolis.
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gaj70 posted:It depends on the cost. I can imagine some rules that would be better / optimal for "society" writ large, but suck for the some communities within it. Put differently, "better for society" and "better for the poor" aren't synonymous. In the most extreme example of this, killing half of the poor people will incredibly raise the standard of living for the remaining half as human labor becomes significantly more scarce. Like a modern day black death.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/1032418919091453954?s=19 Shocked that this unshocking news would drop the price a further 6% to $1.11. Here's hoping the stock price plummets below $1 by Labor Day weekend! 
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baquerd posted:In the most extreme example of this, killing half of the poor people will incredibly raise the standard of living for the remaining half as human labor becomes significantly more scarce. Like a modern day black death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg
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baquerd posted:In the most extreme example of this, killing half of the poor people will incredibly raise the standard of living for the remaining half as human labor becomes significantly more scarce. Like a modern day black death. Thanos parachute account spotted.
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Retail Collapse 2018: I don't feel so good Mr. Lampert.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I have Levis from like 15 years ago that are still wearable. I don't know what it is about them but Levis and Dickies pants seem to be about as indestructible as pants can possibly get. It actually kind of amazes me that the quality has been consistent and some poo poo bag with an MBA has yet to come along and say "gently caress quality we'll make shittier stuff with the same name slapped on it and increase our margins." Dickies are great. Only work pants that I don't routinely tear the belt loops off of catching them on things at work. nepetaMisekiryoiki posted:The articles i see of it is of 2009 and 2010 yes. I do not see any mention of special card network, all the old article say "Mastercard" debit, and the recent info on card's site says you may also get Visa network card instead. Yes, tell me more about how cool it is for someone to be able to lose their job, their house, and be both stranded in the middle of nowhere completely without funds and with no way to even leave at a company's whim. Walmart would love to have that level of control over their workers. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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HEY NONG MAN posted:The old Sears south of downtown Seattle has finalized its transition. The main store turned into office spaces and an Amazon Fresh pickup center. The automotive center down the street was renovated into an indoor climbing gym. Which one is this?
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