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Skinty McEdger posted:Russo stopped telling the announcers what was going on, because he thought that they kept on ruining his angles, so when they responded to the fan in the Sting mask they honestly had no idea if it was supposed to be part of the show or not. I think Tony was still sitting in on booking meetings but even with perfect knowledge of what was going on you could never remember all the bullshit Russo was throwing at the wall in one show.
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Even if they have a booking meeting what's to keep Russo from having a totally awesome idea during the first match and everything changing during the broadcast?
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Feb 4, 2014 23:26
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David Flair was never, ever going to be a star. I don't know what he did in the Power Plant for so long but it wasn't learning how to wrestle.
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oldpainless posted:Even if they have a booking meeting what's to keep Russo from having a totally awesome idea during the first match and everything changing during the broadcast? Even before Russo Nitro was being rebooked while the show was going on. Sometimes due to the show not being fully written sometimes to try and take advantage of Raw commercial breaks. Russo's shows were such a mess timing wise that matches would be dropped or shortened all the time. Lance Storm has a great story of how he and The Wall were given the go home signal for a tables match before the match even started. They then had to figure out how to do a tables match (which had additional stips!) in a minute.
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Feb 4, 2014 23:32
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The biggest example of this is the Kevin Nash vs the New Blood gauntlet match that ended with the new blood getting counted down for pins without being covered because it got cut down to only having 4 and a half minutes.
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My favorite part of that is it's clear Nash doesn't even know what's going on when the ref starts counting pins
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Bigass Moth posted:David Flair was never, ever going to be a star. I don't know what he did in the Power Plant for so long but it wasn't learning how to wrestle.
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Feb 5, 2014 01:40
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So, tonight during Superbrawl we'll be watching a video of WCW wrestlers doing cocaine backstage. No, it's not Hogan and Piper before their match.
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Feb 5, 2014 01:51
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MassRafTer posted:So, tonight during Superbrawl we'll be watching a video of WCW wrestlers doing cocaine backstage. No, it's not Hogan and Piper before their match. All the wrestlers involved showed more personality than they ever did in their promos
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Feb 5, 2014 05:28
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Bigass Moth posted:David Flair was never, ever going to be a star. I don't know what he did in the Power Plant for so long but it wasn't learning how to wrestle. I am pretty sure I read that David never wanted to be a wrestler, but he did it to finally spend time with his dad.
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quote:Can't wait to see what they learned from this fiasco to give a better match next year. 1/2*  WCW
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bobkatt013 posted:I am pretty sure I read that David never wanted to be a wrestler, but he did it to finally spend time with his dad.  Fake edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hlO_1JGTww 
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12/2/96 There's a lot of jokes to be made from this quote: quote:At a Killer Kowalski show on 11/23 in North Adams, CT, Kowalski's womens champ, Joanie Lee, defended the title against Rain Drop, who was male wrestler Snooky Fink under a mask with a blonde wig, and who apparently was convincing enough that some of the fans bought that he was a woman wrestler. quote:Chris Benoit & Nancy Sullivan did an interview doing that angle that only Kevin and Nancy understand. Benoit talked about what happened in Baltimore and how the entire Dungeon of Doom couldn't get the job done. Nancy said to Kevin that it's over now. Benoit and Nancy had really good charisma together. Benoit's interviews have never been thought of as his strong point but they are now. This was the best he's ever come across as a personality anywhere. quote:Steve Regal retained the TV title against the unmasked Villano IV (still wearing a "IV" on his tights just in case anyone couldn't figure out which Mexican he was), as Tony Pena, in 3:05 with the Regal stretch submission. Excellent transition wrestling back-and-forth. I guess the folks at WCW forgot that when you do this angle to humiliate the guy you make fun of, the jobber is supposed to look like a total piece of crap, not like a great mat technician. quote:Gene Okerlund is back on the 900 line. Since with the sleazemaster gone, hotline business dropped a ton, so they had to bring him back after all. Jeff Katz, who made the remark about Raw being moved to midnight if the ratings don't improve which resulted in more of those threatening letters, was dumped to bring Okerlund back. quote:Conceptually, for pro wrestling to flourish, risks from time-to-time have to be taken. The idea of taking risks is that sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. A good promotion learns from both those that do work and those that don't. Unless that promotion has a bottomless pit of money and doesn't need to learn.
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MassRafTer posted:12/2/96 Is Okerlund the Sleezemaster being referred to here?
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Is Okerlund the Sleezemaster being referred to here? Yes. I guess I should also be specific that the Joanie Lee in the first quote is almost definitely Chyna since that actually isn't obvious!
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MassRafTer posted:12/2/96 And Jeff Katz is the stupid rear end who hosted the Miss nWo pageant at the first Souled Out. No wonder nobody wanted to hear him on their phone.
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Holy poo poo, am I sorry I missed Tuesday Nitro last night. Is there a way I can still see the footage?bobkatt013 posted:I am pretty sure I read that David never wanted to be a wrestler, but he did it to finally spend time with his dad.
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Halloween Jack posted:Holy poo poo, am I sorry I missed Tuesday Nitro last night. Is there a way I can still see the footage? I believe he's a state trooper, which is what he really wanted to do in the first place.
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Feb 5, 2014 14:29
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I actually kind of liked David Flair's run with Crowbar and Daffney. I mean, he was still the drizzling shits in the ring, but Crowbar was passable enough and I liked their gimmick.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:I actually kind of liked David Flair's run with Crowbar and Daffney. I mean, he was still the drizzling shits in the ring, but Crowbar was passable enough and I liked their gimmick. He did do crazy pretty well (by wrestling standards, anyways).
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Feb 5, 2014 14:39
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At the very least he eventually learned how to not bungle a Figure Four. Which puts him above Miz.
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My understanding is that he had about as much ring training as a celebrity guest, so it's impressive he managed as well as he did.
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Halloween Jack posted:My understanding is that he had about as much ring training as a celebrity guest, so it's impressive he managed as well as he did. Some of the beatings he took were brutal. I remember he had a match with Benoit where Benoit just ragdolled him from the opening bell to the run-in finish that cost Benoit the match, but what an rear end-whooping.
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Feb 5, 2014 14:49
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If you can believe Ric Flair, he was legitimately hot at Hogan and some of the other guys who stiffed David. (He singled out Windham and Hennig for being pros and making David look good.)
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Halloween Jack posted:If you can believe Ric Flair, he was legitimately hot at Hogan and some of the other guys who stiffed David. (He singled out Windham and Hennig for being pros and making David look good.) That's possible, but Flair also comes from the old school where greenhorns were stiffed in order to teach them humility and so they'd learn the rule "Somebody stiffs you, give 'em a receipt". Thing is, I could see David being terrified (rightly so) to do that with anybody. There's also the rumour that he dropped the IWA Intercontinental title back to Ray Gonzalez so quickly because Vic Quinones tried to take advantage of David while he slept (he was staying with Quinones while in PR). David went through some poo poo in wrestling.
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I feel like David's one appearance on WWF television was the Undertaker beating the ever living poo poo out of him in a public bathroom.
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Zack_Gochuck posted:I feel like David's one appearance on WWF television was the Undertaker beating the ever living poo poo out of him in a public bathroom. Apparently he also appeared during a Ric Flair promo leading up to that WM match, according to Wiki.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:That's possible, but Flair also comes from the old school where greenhorns were stiffed in order to teach them humility and so they'd learn the rule "Somebody stiffs you, give 'em a receipt". Thing is, I could see David being terrified (rightly so) to do that with anybody. The Hogan thing was legit in so much as he took advantage of David in a match where he wasn't even under a long term contract. The whipping spot was over the top and Flair was rightly pissed, but then again Hogan is kind of a prick like that.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:That's possible, but Flair also comes from the old school where greenhorns were stiffed in order to teach them humility and so they'd learn the rule "Somebody stiffs you, give 'em a receipt". Thing is, I could see David being terrified (rightly so) to do that with anybody.
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I wish my daddy was a wrestler so I could have the WCW US Title for no reason.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I believe he's a state trooper, which is what he really wanted to do in the first place. That's always made me wonder if David Arquette's character in Ready to Rumble wanting to be a wrestler while his father wanted him to be a state trooper was some sort of a rib on that.
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Halloween Jack posted:Holy poo poo, am I sorry I missed Tuesday Nitro last night. Is there a way I can still see the footage? Everything is on the playlist, you just have to scroll past all the Village People videos.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I believe he's a state trooper, which is what he really wanted to do in the first place. Yeah, for MY state, which means that if he actually pulls me over all I will think about is his titantron and this match and I won't ever be able to take him seriously. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U-M8nnGJxY
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Shiki Dan posted:Yeah, for MY state, which means that if he actually pulls me over all I will think about is his titantron and this match and I won't ever be able to take him seriously. Hahahaha holy poo poo, were all of his matches that cringe-inducing to watch? I love how the crowd pops for Arn Anderson in a "jesus christ someone who knows what he's doing" way.
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Mookie from The Board~! did some ridiculous analysis of star ratings in WCW to determine who really made matches better. First he took the average star ratings of guys and calculated the difference from their matches together. quote:Lance Storm Singles: 1.55 average Top guys based on their 10 best improvements/carries. (Min. 5 matches) quote:1. Chris Benoit: +0.70 improvement in 10 matches Here's the average and median improvement list, bizarrely sorted by total matches and not name or score. tl;dr Flair good. Mongo bad. Booker T is exactly as good as Jericho. 
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I just love that Shane Douglas has an impact of literally 0.
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That says nothing other than Dave gave the guys he likes arbitrarily better match ratings.
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Bigass Moth posted:That says nothing other than Dave gave the guys he likes arbitrarily better match ratings. This is something my employees always used to accuse me of. When two employees needed a day off, for instance, and I had to decide which would get it, I'd give it to the harder worker who made my job easier more often than not. I'd be met with, "you're just playing favorites!" but I didn't have a personal relationship with anybody, so my "favorites" were entirely based on merit. I guess Dave does know a lot of these guys, though, and some are his sources, so I don't know. But I'd still argue that he likes guys better when they're entertaining, ergo, more stars.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I believe he's a state trooper, which is what he really wanted to do in the first place. Is the plot of Ready to Rumble a coincidence or a rib? Edit: Erm. What Pope Corky said. Red fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Feb 6, 2014 |
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pathetic little tramp posted:Hahahaha holy poo poo, were all of his matches that cringe-inducing to watch? I love how the crowd pops for Arn Anderson in a "jesus christ someone who knows what he's doing" way. Yeah that was a contender for the worst match I've ever seen, and that includes all the poo poo I've seen in Botchamania. David Flair looks like he doesn't even realize he's on camera. Amazing.
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