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'Adventure Time,' 'Regular Show,' "3 more" 
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Jul 7, 2015 19:07
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quote:Nearly all five series rank No. 1 in their respective time periods among kids/boys Kids, boys, same diff
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Jul 7, 2015 19:10
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I know this is potentially a big  on SA, but are those ratings still determined by the incredibly archaic Nielsen system? If so, holy poo poo, how are we still measuring a show's popularity like that in TYOOL 2015. 
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Jul 7, 2015 19:49
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pksage posted:I know this is potentially a big Probably because it's all we've got. Networks undoubtedly take into account things like digital download sales and online streaming when making executive decisions about shows, and also have focus groups and maybe even run their own polling, but they don't typically release those numbers, so Nielsen ratings are the best that the general public has to go by.
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Jul 7, 2015 19:58
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pksage posted:I know this is potentially a big Pakled posted:Probably because it's all we've got. Networks undoubtedly take into account things like digital download sales and online streaming when making executive decisions about shows, but they don't typically release those numbers, so Nielsen ratings are the best that the general public has to go by. Other, better methods have been developed. The problem is that Nielsen Holdings N.V. is a corporation with a value in the billions of dollars, which you can't really compete with.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:00
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Also, a ton of money is tied up in this specific system. Dramatic change to that system could wreak havoc on a lot of people's bottom lines.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:01
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pksage posted:I know this is potentially a big Do you consider little pager devices that pick up the signal of anything you listen to less archaic than the devices that just attach to your cable box? At least that way they can track what people are watching away from home.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:08
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I think the Nielsen system, while still terrible, has grown over time. I heard they take into account digital downloads and other sources besides just the Nielsen families.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:13
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The Studio Trigger (Little Witch Academia 2 creators) and RS/Ian twitter fanart trades are adorable:  Was little witch academia 2 sent out to people who backed it on Kickstarter or something because I've seen a ton of talk about it.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:15
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Macdoo posted:The Studio Trigger (Little Witch Academia 2 creators) and RS/Ian twitter fanart trades are adorable: People who pledged are getting daily links to it streaming, blu-rays are going to be sent out soon - it either has or is going to be premiered at some anime convention.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:30
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pksage posted:I know this is potentially a big It seems like, especially in digital systems, the viewer has to request a stream to view. Like, the data has to be sent to them for them to watch it. Why aren't the cable companies simply maintaining logs of how many people are actively receiving a particular stream at any given time? Why rely on a third party company who could A) make incorrect analysis, or B) simply be listening to the wrong people, when they could just do the number crunching themselves from 100% correct information? They could then even sell that info to their production companies/subsidiaries. Or is it that Cable is such a backwater technology that this kind of logging and analysis isn't possible?  
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Jul 7, 2015 20:53
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Blasphemeral posted:It seems like, especially in digital systems, the viewer has to request a stream to view. Like, the data has to be sent to them for them to watch it. Why aren't the cable companies simply maintaining logs of how many people are actively receiving a particular stream at any given time? Why rely on a third party company who could A) make incorrect analysis, or B) simply be listening to the wrong people, when they could just do the number crunching themselves from 100% correct information? They could then even sell that info to their production companies/subsidiaries. My guess is that the cable company's systems can only log the raw quantity of streams requested of a particular show, and when. Nielsen is still useful for learning about the actual demographics of people watching those shows, which is super important for the marketing end of things.
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Jul 7, 2015 20:56
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axleblaze posted:Kind of worried to not see Gumball on that list I recall hearing bocquelet has a proper ending in mind, I really hope he gets to do it instead of just petering out like so many serial cartoons before it.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:36
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Blasphemeral posted:It seems like, especially in digital systems, the viewer has to request a stream to view. Like, the data has to be sent to them for them to watch it. Why aren't the cable companies simply maintaining logs of how many people are actively receiving a particular stream at any given time? Why rely on a third party company who could A) make incorrect analysis, or B) simply be listening to the wrong people, when they could just do the number crunching themselves from 100% correct information? They could then even sell that info to their production companies/subsidiaries. Cable TV is still pretty much a multicast system, it's not like netflix where you request a video and they stream that one video to you, it's easy to track when you hit start/stop and everything else with the client/server approach. With cable, satellite and even IPTV you're basically getting every channel and your receiver is just tuning to the one you want to/are allowed to display. With newer set top boxes (usually ones with DVR functionality) they have the ability to track when, how and what people are watching, but not everyone has the top of the line model. The lovely motorola set top box you get with basic cable is just a tuner, no statistical data can be gleaned from it, same as if you just plugged the cable into your TV directly. Also like deadly_pudding says, there is demographic data that's impossible to record this way (size of household, age of viewers, household income, etc.) which marketing companies want.
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Jul 7, 2015 21:55
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deadly_pudding posted:My guess is that the cable company's systems can only log the raw quantity of streams requested of a particular show, and when. Nielsen is still useful for learning about the actual demographics of people watching those shows, which is super important for the marketing end of things. I'd be surprised if the streaming services didn't have any demographic data to provide and couldn't provide extremely detailed information on when shows were viewed, how often they were viewed to completion, skipped, etc. I suspect that (for the moment) cable viewers (tracked by Nielsen) are still a larger audience, and data needs to be ingested from each streaming service separately, but these things are likely to change further over time.
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Jul 7, 2015 22:34
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Flying-PCP posted:Cute little short explaining the basics of what gems are showed up on CN's website recently. Basically just stuff that's been stated or that we'd figured out already, but some of the specific wording might be of interest. Some people outside the US have been having trouble seeing it, don't know what to tell you about that (someone will mirror it soon I'm sure). I was wondering where the clip of Garnet chasing Amethyst came from now I know.
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Jul 7, 2015 22:34
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Mohawk Potato posted:I was wondering where the clip of Garnet chasing Amethyst came from now I know. Now I wonder if the Amethyst plate chomping scene will make it in an episode at some point.
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Jul 7, 2015 22:36
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axleblaze posted:Kind of worried to not see Gumball on that list I'm probably wrong but isn't Gumball REALLY popular? Not AT levels, but pretty drat good? I'm sure it's fine
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Jul 7, 2015 22:40
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It even had a Chinese rip-off like AT, so I think it's safe.
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Jul 7, 2015 22:50
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Megaspel posted:I think the Nielsen system, while still terrible, has grown over time. I heard they take into account digital downloads and other sources besides just the Nielsen families. You still fill out a pen and paper booklet, but they ask you put in digital watches and DVR stuff as well. I had to list Yahoo as a channel when watching the last season of Community.
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Jul 7, 2015 23:05
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OldTennisCourt posted:I'm probably wrong but isn't Gumball REALLY popular? Not AT levels, but pretty drat good? I'm sure it's fine Yeah, that's what I thought to. It's one of the shows they rerun every day. They don't show it at TTG levels (which is like 40% of the CN lineup this point) but they still show like 4-8 episodes a day, which indicates that it gets people watching. I'm sure it's fine but I'd feel better if it was on that list.
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Jul 7, 2015 23:11
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Mohawk Potato posted:I was wondering where the clip of Garnet chasing Amethyst came from now I know. Say, are there any more of those kinds of shorts?
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Jul 7, 2015 23:26
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Saw this on Twitter: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-et-hc-steven-universe-original-graphic-novel-cover-20150625-story.htmlLa Times posted:Based on a story by "Steven Universe" supervising director Ian Jones-Quartey, "Steven Universe: Too Cool for School" will give readers a closer look at the friendship between Steven and Connie and what happens when Steven tags along with Connie to school one day. (Hint: There is a reason Steven doesn't regularly attend school with humans.)
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Jul 7, 2015 23:58
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What is Gumball about? Guess I gotta give it a shot if you guys think its good.
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Jul 8, 2015 00:46
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slice of life in a world ran on cartoon logic. Basically an excuse to do comedy skits from what I have seen of Gumball
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Jul 8, 2015 00:50
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Yeah, Gumball, on it's surface, is a very basic comedy show. It's a family with a smart mom, dumb dad and three children. The first season was pretty basic beyond the show's strange art style and a few good episodes but after that the show keeps getting weirder and weirder, getting away with weirder and more meta stuff as it goes along. Like the characters going on a sugar induced trip that makes them question the meaning of life and in their search the universe sings them a song about how their lives are meaninglessness weird. It also does meta stuff oddly well, like an episode where the characters voices change and they go through a depressing time realizing their childhood is over and just when they finally have accepted it they get new voice actors. It's a really good show. The fact that's it's only my third favorite thing on CN shows how good they currently are.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:12
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The other thing about Gumball is that its character design is all over the place because it started with the creator putting a bunch of rejected characters he had created for commercials against the backdrop of a school and having thoughts. Some characters are traditionally animated, some are CG, one is a mouth puppet.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:21
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Flying-PCP posted:Cute little short explaining the basics of what gems are showed up on CN's website recently. Basically just stuff that's been stated or that we'd figured out already, but some of the specific wording might be of interest. Some people outside the US have been having trouble seeing it, don't know what to tell you about that (someone will mirror it soon I'm sure). "Nice mass!"
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Jul 8, 2015 01:51
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The Gumball episode where the dad gets a job which causes reality to come undone is pretty amazing
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Jul 8, 2015 01:53
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Macaluso posted:The Gumball episode where the dad gets a job which causes reality to come undone is pretty amazing That's the best season 1 episode and pretty much the basis for the direction the show has gone since.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:56
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I always wondered why Gumball never had its own thread. It really competes with Steven for my favorite animated tv show.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:58
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Macaluso posted:The Gumball episode where the dad gets a job which causes reality to come undone is pretty amazing I have a real hard time choosing between that one and the Daniel Lenard episode. The latter is not as surreal but the jokes are razor sharp.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:14
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kefkafloyd posted:I have a real hard time choosing between that one and the Daniel Lenard episode. The latter is not as surreal but the jokes are razor sharp. It's not as good without the sauce. I could probably make a Gumball thread, but it might be worth waiting until after summer when new episodes have a chance to be more regular.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:40
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I suppose should check out more Gumball. The kinda weird, all-over-the-place character designs don't entirely do it for me (the goldfish character with feet is a bit wtf), but the one or two episodes I've seen were reasonably entertaining. Might just have to give the art style some time to sink in.
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Jul 8, 2015 04:03
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If loving Darwin is too far out for you, then Gumball's not really for you.
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Flying-PCP posted:Cute little short explaining the basics of what gems are showed up on CN's website recently. Basically just stuff that's been stated or that we'd figured out already, but some of the specific wording might be of interest. Some people outside the US have been having trouble seeing it, don't know what to tell you about that (someone will mirror it soon I'm sure). My favorite part is that Pearl knows that she's supposed to say 'write an essay' but doesn't know what an essay is.
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Jul 8, 2015 05:34
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Pakled posted:Probably because it's all we've got. Networks undoubtedly take into account things like digital download sales and online streaming when making executive decisions about shows, and also have focus groups and maybe even run their own polling, but they don't typically release those numbers, so Nielsen ratings are the best that the general public has to go by. Toonami's been making a point of spaming the hashtags for their shows just to show something.
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kefkafloyd posted:I have a real hard time choosing between that one and the Daniel Lenard episode. The latter is not as surreal but the jokes are razor sharp. Those are both great, but the jumanji episode is my favourite because the comic timing is flawless all the way through (also because my non-cartoon-watching family caught me watching it and they actually thought it was funny instead of just weird  )
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