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Xelkelvos posted:I don't think I ever caught the resolution of that while thing. I only heard up to the part where other women started piping up with claims of abuse It's great how these things come up and just dissipate. Like people are just looking for a temporary release valve, ready to abandon ship as soon as the issue becomes non-black & white.
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Dogstoyevsky posted:Do you have a link to this? I'm googling around "James Deen Buzzfeed Stoya rape" at work and it really isn't a good idea. Yeah, I'd just wait until you get home. The gist was that Stoya came out with a rape accusation and within days, I think about a dozen other actresses told similar stories.
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Listen and Believe Unless It's Election Season Seriously, is anyone in here saying we shouldn't pay any attention to these rape allegations against Clinton? For the record, I fully support a reinvestigation of those claims, and gently caress Bill Clinton forever if he's a rapist. Sorry that I was like 13 at the time Broaddrick made her initial allegations and I wasn't demonstrating against President Rapist. It turns out that Hillary Clinton is not the accused rapist here. I'm not really sure why anyone views this as some devastating attack against her campaign. I realize there's this fever dream that she conspired to cover it up or something; alternately, she may not have wanted to believe her husband was a rapist.
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Dogstoyevsky posted:It turns out that Hillary Clinton is not the accused rapist here. I'm not really sure why anyone views this as some devastating attack against her campaign. I realize there's this fever dream that she conspired to cover it up or something; alternately, she may not have wanted to believe her husband was a rapist.
They're not insurmountable problems (you can envisage a situation where if Bill gets Cosby-level accusations Hillary disavows him entirely and her favourability/support increases) but they're definitely problems for Hillary that she'd rather not have to confront.
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Dogstoyevsky posted:Seriously, is anyone in here saying we shouldn't pay any attention to these rape allegations against Clinton? For the record, I fully support a reinvestigation of those claims, and gently caress Bill Clinton forever if he's a rapist. Sorry that I was like 13 at the time Broaddrick made her initial allegations and I wasn't demonstrating against President Rapist. There are a myriad number of reasons why you might not want your elder statesman husband on trial for rape during your campaign for president. From a cold, tactical standpoint he's supposed to be out stumping for you because people like him and have nostalgic feelings for his era of government. Now all those positive associations become negative associations. For someone who's stereotypically 'mired in scandal' (yes, I know they're all manufactured, jump off your high horse) there could actually be a REAL scandal. I had always thought the affair with Lewinsky had been consensual but if this was non-consensual that is a game-changer, and it's probably not for the better. Then there's what to do if he's actually guilty; it would almost certainly be a campaign ender.
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Rocks posted:It's 6 days into 2016 and already were talking about rape!! Wow I can't wait to see what the next few months bring? A) Trump wins Iowa. At the next debate, he shits on the losers so hard that a fist fight breaks out. B) Trump loses and attacks Cruz so viciously that a fist fight breaks out.
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Dogstoyevsky posted:I'm not really sure why anyone views this as some devastating attack against her campaign. It's not. It's all the same stuff from the 90s, which excites the Drudge/Brietbart crowd, but has already been priced in to Clinton support elsewhere.
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Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail posted:…(I)n both the Ohio and Nebraska primaries, back to back, McGovern was confronted for the first time with the politics of the rabbit-punch and the groin shot, and in both states he found himself dangerously vulnerable to this kind of thing. Dirty politics confused him. He was not ready for it….
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Joementum posted:It's not. It's all the same stuff from the 90s, which excites the Drudge/Brietbart crowd, but has already been priced in to Clinton support elsewhere. its all the same stuff under a new lens of polarized debate and emotional appeal, paired with clickbait poo poo and more emotional appeal life is a circle 
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If those allegations have weight wouldn't the GOP have gotten Bill for it in the 90s?
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McDowell posted:If those allegations have weight wouldn't the GOP have gotten Bill for it in the 90s? Hmm maybe if his Willy wasn't sufficiently Slick
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McDowell posted:If those allegations have weight wouldn't the GOP have gotten Bill for it in the 90s?
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McDowell posted:If those allegations have weight wouldn't the GOP have gotten Bill for it in the 90s? There's no real weight behind a good portion of the allegations (refer back to the Vox article) and if the question is will they nail Bill this time (heh) the answer is no. It's all out there to paint the Clintons in a bad light, simple as that. The post-Clinton years have been kind to them and their image, and to the GOP the best way to shoot that down is to question the very validity of their popularity in the first place.
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Jan 7, 2016 15:10
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Senator, did your husband rape those women, yes or no?
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Jan 7, 2016 15:13
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Montasque posted:Rubio is so balla! I love the quote from September. “We just booked a Frontier Airlines flight for him today, which is a special kind of hell for anybody. But we do it because we gotta — we’re gonna put the resources where it matters,” As far as I could tell the only thing different on Frontier is the tiny tray and no free tiny bag of pretzels and shot glass size cup of pop. That just seems like such a dickish thing to say when a bunch of people who are going to vote for Rubio have probably never even flown on a plane and would love to take a Frontier flight.
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No, Frontier is actually really horrible. in 2015 they replaced all of their seats with newer, smaller ones that have these uncomfortable, cardboard-like cushions. It gets really uncomfortable if you have to fly for more than 4 hours. Watch this hilarious and horrible official Frontier video where they frame the terrible seats, no entertainment options, no cushions, etc, as Actually Good Things:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL2QOhKnW54
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Jan 7, 2016 15:31
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Joementum posted:Donald Trump will speak here tomorrow night: As a result, the city of Burlington will do what it would do if a concert oversold tickets; they are cancelling the event. Ha ha, that's not true. They're shutting down downtown Burlington starting at 1pm today.
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Jan 7, 2016 15:46
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Peachstapler posted:The point we should be considering here is there are people who live in tin sheds in loving swamps who will never fly on an airplane. Maybe I just associate with too many poors, but I know plenty of perfectly normal people and families who have never flown anywhere? 
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Jan 7, 2016 15:49
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Joementum posted:Mark Conrad, 49, of Burlington has been standing outside the Flynn Center since 4:30am. He has a certain quality of youthful dumpiness about him.
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Cheesus posted:Ha ha, that's not true. They're shutting down downtown Burlington starting at 1pm today. They're only closing the street for a block directly in front of the venue, though that does mean people will need to walk an extra block to get to the head shop.
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Joementum posted:Mark Conrad, 49, of Burlington has been standing outside the Flynn Center since 4:30am. Legit looking pretty good for fifty
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Trump has the Clintons and their media stooges all twisted up. LOL at all the delusional fools who thought/think Hillary is somehow smarter and better than JEB!. Abandon all hope, dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed. We're 12 months away from PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP
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The deal with the rape accusations isn't whether Bill actually raped someone or not, as dumb as that sounds. If Bill were somehow shown to be a rapist, as opposed to just someone who shopped his penis around to any woman within arm's length, then Hillary could act appropriately shocked, claim she didn't know and leave him. And there would be a suprising amount of idiots out there who would actually believe that Hillary Clinton was dumb enough to not know her husband was a rapist and stood loyally by him for years as a loving wife, and not that it was always about political convenience and pursuit of power. The issue is Broaddrick is also accusing Hillary of being part of the silencing and cover up, which fits into the narrative of Hillary being part of the cover up on Benghazi. Ultimately it probably won't move many votes even if it is investigated and Bill found to be a rapist. The right is already at maximum hate level and the left will go through the mental gymnastics necessary for her to remain a strong woman in power and yet dumb enough to not know about evil Bill. The mythical middle will probably just stay home like they do for any other election. If no investigation happens, or Bill gets vindicated, it will be even less of an issue.
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Ben Carson is in favor of medical marijuana legalization. Also, he's further polished his proposal for healthcare reform and Obamacare repeal with "Health Empowerment Accounts" Broke? It's okay, you can hit up your parents, aunts, great aunts, kids, and distant cousins for money. Or set up a Kickstarter or GoFundMe. Or be a camwhore if you're hot enough or are ugly but willing to indulge in some really sick poo poo. Or die in the street, whatevs. The flexibility in your care options is staggering.
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Montasque posted:Here's the Jezebel article in question: Don't ever read Jezebel and especially not the comment section, it makes Tumblr SJW look reasonable and sane. A morbidly obese woman with terribly bleeding acne could take a poo poo in the front of the bus topless and in a board shorts and they would write a glowing article about how it was an empowering story of modern day femininity, empowerment and challenging misogynistic beauty stereotypes. And if anyone said anything in the comments that maybe she should do something about the acne or god forbid the morbid obesity it would turn into a 1000 replies on how the poster was basically worse than Hitler and wanted acne and fat genocide.
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Sir Tonk posted:It'll be hard to make this work for people that aren't already going to vote for whoever the GOP candidate is. Anyone over thirty has already heard all of this before and the people that haven't aren't likely to side with the person attacking the wife of a dude that might be a serial adulterer. Sure, it's great for the primaries, but is a huge risk in the general. It could be a legitimate demotivator on the Left. Folks talk about how people will do the mental gymnastics necessary to pull the lever for Clinton and spare themselves a Trump win, but if you move a non-trivial number of activists down to just occasional volunteers or volunteers down to just voters, you've accomplished something. Kurt_Cobain posted:Not during the Rape Zone 90s It's definitely a much different environment than it was 20 years ago.
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Jackson Taus posted:It could be a legitimate demotivator on the Left. Folks talk about how people will do the mental gymnastics necessary to pull the lever for Clinton and spare themselves a Trump win, but if you move a non-trivial number of activists down to just occasional volunteers or volunteers down to just voters, you've accomplished something. quote:After his impeachment proceedings in 1998 and 1999, Clinton's rating reached its highest point at 73% approval. He finished with a Gallup poll approval rating of 65%, higher than that of every other departing president measured since Harry Truman. It is insanity to think that trying to tie Hillary Clinton to a 15 year old sex scandal with her husband that everyone was sick to death of and pretty much backfired on Republicans at the time is going to hurt her with voters today. If there was a recent scandal sure but no one gives a gently caress about Paula Jones that wasn't already voting GOP.
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Three Olives posted:Don't ever read Jezebel and especially not the comment section, it makes Tumblr SJW look reasonable and sane. A morbidly obese woman with terribly bleeding acne could take a poo poo in the front of the bus topless and in a board shorts and they would write a glowing article about how it was an empowering story of modern day femininity, empowerment and challenging misogynistic beauty stereotypes. Wait she took a poo poo through her shorts or she took the shorts off first, it's unclear
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Three Olives posted:It is insanity to think that trying to tie Hillary Clinton to a 15 year old sex scandal with her husband that everyone was sick to death of and pretty much backfired on Republicans at the time is going to hurt her with voters today. Considering there has been at least one high-profile case that touches on exactly that subject (sexual assault that happened a loooong time ago), and considering we have at least two new generations of voters in the mix with a constant ear to social media and any scandals they report, I'm not inclined to agree with you!
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mike12345 posted:[Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail] Hunter S Thompson posted:The "mood of the nation," in 1972, was so overwhelmingly vengeful, greedy, bigoted and blindly reactionary that no presidential candidate who even faintly reminded "typical voters" of the fear & anxiety they'd felt during the constant "social upheavals" of the Sixties had any chance at all of beating Nixon last year – not even Ted Kennedy – because the "pendulum effect" that began with Nixon's slim victory in '68 was totally irreversible by 1972. After a decade of left-bent chaos, the Silent Majority was so deep in a behavorial sink that their only feeling for politics was a powerful sense of revulsion. All they wanted in the White House was a man who would leave them alone and do anything necessary to bring calmness back into their lives – even if it meant turning the whole state of Nevada into a concentration camp for hippies, niggers, dope fiends, do-gooders, and anyone else who might threaten the status quo.
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If anyone starts claiming to you that the left stops caring about rape accusations as soon as it's against somebody they like, you can safely make the assumption that they don't actually care about rape victims and are more interested in empty point scoring. Whenever anyone brings up that talking point it becomes incredibly obvious that they think we should actually believe rape victims less than we currently do, which is heinous.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Like if Cruz received the Ben Carson treatment he would be saddled with an incredible amount of icky poo poo and would never be president, but he'd probably still be able to D'Souza his way into good money. BTW, did a google search on good ol' Dinesh to see what he was up to, after leaving the half-way house he was sentenced to (the horror). quote:D’Souza’s time spent with criminals has revealed for him a symmetry between the operations of gangs and those of progressives, particularly in proceeding through the stages of theft from plan, through recruitment and rationalization, and finally on to cover-up. http://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/12/dinesh-dsouzas-horrible-halfway-house-experience-in-a-rundown-part-of-san-diego/ Yup sounds about right.
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Three Olives posted:It is insanity to think that trying to tie Hillary Clinton to a 15 year old sex scandal with her husband that everyone was sick to death of and pretty much backfired on Republicans at the time is going to hurt her with voters today. It's a totally different culture from what it was 15-20 years ago in terms of how we treat sexual harassment and sexual assault. Even where it's just bosses nailing interns, it's much less "oh that's just a thing that happens" and much more "that's an abuse of power over a helpless college student" type of thing.
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